Forum:The Pub

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nl:Forum:De kroegro:RoWikicity:Cafenea Welcome to The Pub! This is the general meeting place in Lovia. Inhabitants can make public announcements, have a friendly chat with some copatriots, or discuss crucial issues in Lovian politics or business. Speeches can also be made at Speakers' Corner. All archives of The Pub can be found here.

Holiday
I know I'm spamming the pub quite lately, but I need to mention that I'm going on holiday tomorrow, for three weeks, to Scotland. I don't think (and I don't feel the need to try over there) that my iPod Touch can connect to any WiFi hotspot in Scotland, so I'll probably be offline for the same period as my holiday lasts. SjorskingmaWikistad 18:14, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Have fun and maybe upload a nice picture upon return - and I don't think Scotland is thát medieval. I'm sure they have internet access over there. The place you're staying probably even has a website.  07:00, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, I have been in Scotland last year, but no connection or whatsoever. And surely NOT in Skye SjorskingmaWikistad 10:19, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, then my image of our scottish friends is more incorrect than I thought. They don't all wear kilts to, do they? 16:46, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I once wore a kilt. It feels... liberating! Dr. Magnus 16:58, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha Good!Marcus Villanova[[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 22:40, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Jumping the Gun
I am already taking the census even though the bill has not yet been put into effect this way well have the number ASAP ALso Please until the end of the month do not buy a house it just complicates things! Thanks! Marcus Villanova 20:50, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

'''Also i'll be kepping yall posted and giving you updates like this one: NOble City Population is slightly up! YAy!Marcus Villanova 21:02, July 24, 2010 (UTC)'''

OMFG The population for Kings is 7,041 Just letting you know! Marcus Villanova 21:32, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not crazy, considering Newhaven is the second biggest city. About buying houses: I've spoken to a new user recently and if he should return to the site he could buy a house, couldn't he? Let's say that people can buy houses, but must always tell you so you can update. 07:38, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sure! But It's really cool how are population is in the 30,000's! Marcus Villanova 18:36, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Noble City (11,285) – City

 * Transcity – 500


 * Artista – 863


 * Citizen Corner – 500


 * New Town – 863


 * Long Road – 863


 * Mandarin Village – 863


 * The Mall – 500


 * Downtown – 984


 * Trading Quarter – 984


 * Little Frisco – 863


 * Little Europe – 1,347


 * Bayside – 863


 * Old Harbor – 621


 * Industrial Park – 500


 * King’s Gardens – 621

Train Village (1,363) – Town
Nicholasville - 342

Clave Rock - 221

Hurbanova (1,847) – Town
Drake Town – 1,226

Millstreet – 500

Newhaven (4,557) City
Newhaven (Downtown) – 1,468

Abby Springs – 984

Pines – 742

Old Port – 742

Malipa – 621

Portland (1,000) Town
Hurket-on-Kings – 742

Bayfield – 742

Sofasi (2,089) Town
Clymene State Airport – 500

Hightech Valley – 621

Adoha – 826

Plains (1,242) Town
Orange Gardens – 500

Arena Football League
Well i just want to know somthing! It states on some of the orignal teams that they play american football well i want to know if anyone woukld want to start a Lovian Indoor Football League! Or the LIFL so anyone in? Marcus Villanova 20:01, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * As always, I'll pass for the sports. But I do support more variation, maybe we'll be able to compete at the next Olympics.  08:56, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * In London! Yeah! (probably cost to much for me to go tho' :- @Marcus: Sorry, I don't know anything about American football. Semyon E. Breyev 09:27, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are they in London? Then I only have to cross the Channel.  09:51, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Con il tuo speedo :p Jon Johnson 14:06, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, è troppo freddo per nuotare con il mio speedo! Forse con un mantello? 16:30, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea it's sad American Football is the dumbest sport but kinda watchable so... no one else plays it but me and my 200 IQ There is a small league in Germany, France, England, and Canada, oh and Japan! And there was a pretty sucseful NFL league Europa league in Europe but most of the teams at the end of the league were in Germany and the Netherlands! Marcus Villanova[[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:56, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Update
I have been away for a while and hoped someone could inform me on what I missed? A quick summary of the main issues will do. Harold Freeman 07:42, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, i'm new could you help me too Olaf Engelund 08:07, July 30, 2010 (UTC) //forgot to sign//
 * I wished I could help, but I was hardly here myself. Some of the things I know that happened:
 * Someone built extensive new railways, without permission or so...
 * People built a couple of new towns and so.
 * No new bills were signed into law. Martha Van Ghent 08:18, July 30, 2010


 * (UTC)


 * She is right, but we need new laws like the census law... I won't change July beacuse that's the perfect time! When no one is around, so no one will buy a new house... and i'm on everyday! Marcus Villanova[[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:51, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Facebook
Why does the system always wants me to link to my facebook account when I want to log in? I do not have a Facebook account and I am (vooralsnog) nog intending to make one. --Lars Washington 07:54, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * When I log in, it just appears, it is not aggressive if you understand me :p Jon Johnson 07:59, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just another billion dollar business deal between Wikia and Facebook ;) Martha Van Ghent 08:14, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good to know, so I do not need to worry then. --Lars Washington 08:44, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's kinda sad. 09:01, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? --Lars Washington 09:16, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just don't like the Facebook logo dancing up and down my screen every time I log in. Luckily I have ticked the 'remember my login'-option. 09:22, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah thet shit was confusing! I have a FB account and was already logged in so instead of linking my account to "Crystalbeast09" it made a new account and then Facebook closed and sayed it did not register! WTF! IDK how to even link it or what the advantages are to doing it! Marcus Villanova[[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:49, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

LLCP! Changing for the better!
The LLCP is Beacoming Simplier and becoming the Labor Party! In our new logo and name we have all colors!
 * Red - Liberalism and socialism in Europe and shows our great srength!
 * Blue - Liberalism in the States and the calm seas of Lovia!
 * Green - Showing our Liberal-Libertaranism and our movement for a green enviorment!
 * Purple - Purple is a common color used for liberalism in Netherlands and Belgium showing Lovia's roots from the begining.
 * Any changes to the content too? Or are you only changing the logo/name? 08:42, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * --Lars Washington 11:54, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Yuri- IDK i Joined the WLP! Marcus Villanova[[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 17:07, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice move; it seems the WLP is on the move!  06:20, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see the has disappeared. Anyone able willing to create this template for the collection? --Lars Washington 10:16, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * There you go. I used a deep purple rather then a bright one, I hope you don't mind? 12:45, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Where is a yellow love? Pierlot McCrooke 14:01, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * My dearest Pierlot McCrooke, You are an absolute *star* . For making this I give you the ultimate .  --Lars Washington 15:45, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Census Act
Well i've listened and here you go the month has changed from July to August! Please vote Yea! or for the Census Act in the Second Chamber! Thanks from Marcus Villanova 18:29, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Politics
Does everybody need to join a political party, because I think everybody does Olaf Engelund 16:34, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't at first, but the cabal made me do it (haha) This is really funny you know--Lars Washington 16:38, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Check out List of political parties! Marcus Villanova[[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:41, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't need to, but if you want things get done, it could help to join a party, please check out CPL.nm, maybe something for you Jon Johnson 18:08, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or the WLP we're better and awesome! LOLZ! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:56, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Marcus: I don't deny the WLP is an awesome party (as is the CPL.nm) but to give it the classification of 'better' sure is a subjective judgement.
 * @Olaf: It is easy to join a party these days; a small outlay:
 * Liberal/Democrat but economic right = join the LD
 * Social-liberal/environmentalist = join the WLP (formerly libertarian)
 * Post-Soviet communism/socialism = join the CPL.nm
 * Conservative/christian moral = join the CCPL
 * Those are the main parties. For extremists of the right we have the (inactive) IGP and there also is a minor radical socialist party, the NLS. 07:15, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks, I'll join a party then, since all together is better then one apart Olaf Engelund 11:48, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Joke Political Party
There's been alot of talk about joke political parties in Lovia. AND WE NEED to make one! We've all been up tight lately and we need to laugh! So any ideas? Anyone can join the party and still be in a real political party. So any ideas? Just leave your fake party and your sig, and maybe we might have two, like funny rivals! Marcus Villanova WLP 16:40, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * (Here's an easy one) Surprise Party - Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:40, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dream Changing Party Pierlot McCrooke 17:38, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Very good! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:29, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fancy Hollywood Movie Star With A Big Heart For Animals Not For Profit Party - 06:54, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Love it! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:07, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Revolutionary Conservatives: change to preserve! - 07:29, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Politicaly Inccorect, lol Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:07, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Italian Movie Party - politics get dolce! - 16:05, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Love it since i'm Italian! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:07, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Goat party. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:06, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Main Man Party, a tribute to Dustin Jon Johnson 10:43, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * D-U-S-T-I-N, my main man! 11:01, August 7, 2010 (UTC)



Wikia Staff Blog: Achievements
I discovered this on the Wikia Staff Blog: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sarah_Manley/Announcing_Achievements_-_Edit_your_way_to_the_top. I thought it intriguing, so I shall share it with you all. -- 07:57, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds like modern day diseases have found their way to wikia; it is obviously based on a cheap psychology of reward. This so called 'friendly competition' will lead to a cult of status symbolism and the suffocation of creativity. I don't like the new plans. 09:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I edit Wikination too much anyway . Semyon E. Breyev 13:57, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Help?
Since the LD is gone and I do not have the needed vigor to make us liberals a new home I hoped anyone had an idea on where I am to go now? Is there a plan for a new liberal party or should I join another one? Harold Freeman 09:27, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Walden, or you can refound the LD Pierlot McCrooke 09:30, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess the CPL.nm doesn't really sound attractive to you but you are welcome. You should just read some programs (Walden, CPL.nm, CCPL). 09:34, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The LD is gone and there is a reason for that. The classic liberal party does not score well with the Lovians and as a grown up man I must accept that. I will read some programs as yuri suggested in the hope to find a match. Harold Freeman 09:36, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to disagree, if I may. The only reason the LibDems failed, was lack of identity. No leader, no good image, a dull party program, silly anti-communist propaganda (hello, McCarthy?)... There could have been place for true Classical Liberals, I'm sure. But not in the LD. If you find another hardcore liberal, you could easily build up a storng dark-blue party. If that's what you want of course :) 17:14, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, please. How can my commie party thrive without an image of the enemy threatening us? ;D 17:16, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha . I have a notion that the Federal Elections in January will turn out more interesting than all past elections combined! 17:17, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * This LD party was one big sham; inactive, dull and without much originality or 'new concepts and ideas'. I am suprised it took so long for it to fall apart, too. BastardRoyale 17:20, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am confident the left will do just fine... 17:25, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course we will. We will Crush the Capitalist Beast and turn the whole world red. BastardRoyale 17:27, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Come with us :p Olaf Engelund 14:32, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do like the communist party because they have a nice page and some very capable people. The only problem is that your program is too radical for me. Harold Freeman 08:05, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good try olaf, but next think of the fact that he's an ultra liberal :p off course we could re-educate him Jon Johnson 08:07, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not that ultra liberal my friend. I am just not into big government control. Harold Freeman 08:13, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think what you just said is the main ideology of political liberalism Jon Johnson 08:16, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I am a liberal but I do not mind taxation or payments for the unemployed. Harold Freeman 08:19, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * This are again some economic aspects you see, i try not to confuse economy and politics Jon Johnson 08:33, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do communists not believe that those two are tied together? Harold Freeman 08:36, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * They are tied together but I (calling myself more socialist than communist) think the two should be split up or at least economy should be a level beneath politics and not as it is now one above Jon Johnson 08:39, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * What is a communist anyway? I am not that much of a philosopher but my personal experiences are what I base myself on and maybe this individual approach makes me a liberal. Harold Freeman 08:42, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It could of course, my definition of a communist is rather a skeptical one: it are those willing to believe that Marx was right and try to work to an ideal world which Marx provided, of course the central marxian idea couldn't remain so many variants came up and the so called communism is one, i'm not saying that those fighting for it are idiots but they are naive in my opinion; i'd rather see some state control not to many and yet freedom for the people themselves. My focus lays especially in the social aspect: I'd like to provide equal social standards Jon Johnson 08:48, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Communist is a stretchable concept but a marxist is someone who believes we can satisfy everyones needs by organizing society upon principles acquired by reason. Educating the people to give them the means to use that reason and emancipate themselves is the true goal of any marxist. Thát is the core of Marx' teachings. 08:52, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, well explained, you see i'm more of a socialist. Btw i found a great modern version of the bandiera rossa!! Jon Johnson 08:54, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * So Jon is a social realist and Yuri is a naive red crusader? Sounds like the CPL is a fun party. Harold Freeman 08:55, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Naive but noble. We sure are a unique bunch. @Jon: really? Is it in Italian? 08:56, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what we are Jon Johnson 08:57, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm now downloading it, i've also found a modern oh bella ciao version too, yes it's in italian! Jon Johnson 09:00, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Banda Bassotti right?  09:06, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yaps, great! Jon Johnson 09:07, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Liberal Union
I created the Liberal Union out of the Capitalist Party and the remnants of the LD. All who call themselves liberal or sympathize with the liberal views are welcome. Our main goal is to be a blue counterweight to the socialist and conservative parties in Congress. Harold Freeman 10:32, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I wish you good luck; you'll need it. After all, we do intent to Crush the Capitalist Beast, so beware... BastardRoyale 10:45, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not like capitalism because it acts as if it is okay to make a war in a distant country to raise the oil prices. Liberalism is more than just economy, it is about personal freedom.
 * You are like Archie Bunker: a live and let live type of guy! BastardRoyale 10:50, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not know him but his philosophy sure sounds fine. Harold Freeman 10:52, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

The importance of family... law!
It was about time we had a decent legislation surrounding marriage, as recently remarked by several users. I wrote a Marriage Act on my sandpit and threw in legal cohabiting and parenthood/adoption. Soon we will all be able to found our own little wiki family. Please comment! 09:55, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes! Finally! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:39, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Offer
To all people from the book business or those interested in just any kind of business, Libertan Goodwin Publishings is about to publish ''[http://stad.wikia.com/wiki/Kopstuk._Leven_en_tijd_van_Mama_Luigi Kopstuk. Leven en tijd van Mama Luigi] (English: Top Dog. The Life and Times of Mama Luigi''), the biography of Mama Luigi, who former Wikistad-users will know of, a big mob boss who was involved and executed during the Second Civil War in Libertas. Perhaps one or some of the Dutch users here would be interested in translating the book for Lovia??? Goodwin is an international publisher (which actually started in Lovia) but is always interested in working together with others (and has done so for instance with the Libertan publisher Esdoorntje). Have a nice day ;) Echo cho 12:51, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Top Dog. The Life and Times of Mama Luigi would make a fine novel, I am positive about it. For as far as I can read it it looks very promising. What about a film, or a mini-series? Aim for the stars! BastardRoyale 16:05, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * That could be interesting as well, seeing it turned into a epic Lovian film instead of having the book translated into (Lovian) English. Especially since the movie business in Lovia seems to be doing more than okay. Thanks for the suggestion, BR! K_gitaar.png Echo cho 16:47, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well thank you! New(ly returned) members are always more then welcome, expecially if they bring with them ideas like these. Famous Lovians could play parts in the movie and help funding it, to make everybody excited about this movie. Maybe you could even ask the King to play a major role, or you could try and make an actual trailer and upload it on youtube (Villanova & Freeman over here have done that several times). Good luck! BastardRoyale 17:42, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

*not Freeman, but McCandless. 17:59, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think my last video beat his but his did include Eddie/Intothewild music but then again my included 3 seconds of PUmp it from the Black Eyed Peas and some actual footage of real peeps! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 22:30, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I want to make a vid too but the concept never seems to work out well. I don't get further then some scrappy paper notes... 07:43, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sounds like a lotta work too :p I don't know, I might one day try and put sth together. Anyway, if any movie production company is interested in Top Dog here, they are more than welcome to begin production! ;) See you around! K_gitaar.png Echo cho 08:10, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps its better to translate the novel first so that the story gains some recognition. Then after a few months, make the movie. :-) BastardRoyale 08:44, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Poll
Okay I don't care if you vote twice or whateves this poll is just for fun and i'll put it on the HEMPPAC page as a nationwide poll!

Do you support Cannibis Legealization? Yes No

and here's the second poll

Do you support medicinal Cannibis? Yes No

Stations
I saw that people want to delete the few stations that are not in urban area. I think those stations are actually useful. When I was in Scotland, there were even more remote stations, mainly intended for some farms or even just only for the purpose of hiking in otherwise inaccesible area. What harm can it do if those stations keep existing? SjorskingmaWikistad 10:22, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * In lovia you can do every thong by foot! Lovia is a small archipelago!! And besides trains and stuff now belong to a national company so they will decide Jon Johnson 12:44, August 15, 2010 (UTC)