Forum:The Pub

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nl:Forum:De kroegli:Forum:De Kaffeero:RoWikicity:Cafeneasv:Forum:Krogen Welcome to The Pub! This is the general meeting place in Lovia. Inhabitants can make public announcements, have a friendly chat with some copatriots, or discuss crucial issues in Lovian politics or business. Speeches can also be made at Speakers' Corner. All archives of The Pub can be found here.

Western Sylvania and Oceana autonomy
To get things straight concerning which parties support and which do not, and also what places should be in Western Sylvania (f.e. should TV and Clave Rock be included?), I'm gonna make a table. I hope all the big parties and also the smaller/independents will answer. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:03, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Could someone explain these independence movements to me? i honestly am not familiar with what they are or where they come from. :/ Daembrales (talk) 00:33, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I added mine (I think that is what you were asking). I don't seem as revolutionary, I know, but we don't need to divide Lovia any more than it is currently. — Christopher Costello (Pikapi • Chat  • What's up ) 01:40, December 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would like to let you know, the Stephen Headland Union is also contra on a Western Sylvanian State, the org is just helping the commmunity, not making areas independent.  Happy65   Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 08:10, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Our policy concerning districts
Okay, what is our policy concerning pages about the newly created districts? I thought we decided that pages on the districts are okay, but no pages about any individual three-barn settlements within those districts. Is that right? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:18, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * No reaction is also a reaction :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:34, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * and this is a reaction too (even though I'm giving no answer).  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 10:04, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * True :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:11, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep. What you just replied is also a reaction.  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 10:16, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, the "no reaction is also a reaction" was already a reaction to the fact nobody had reacted :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:17, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Haha (this is a reaction).  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 10:21, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is my reaction to all of your reactions. Any reactions to my reaction? 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 11:32, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, this is my reaction.  Happy65   Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 11:38, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear me, having a fun day guys? :L Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 12:52, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * My reaction: Kunarian's reaction was the best reaction. It was the only reaction that caused me to react with laughter. --Semyon 13:21, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hahah, anyway, could we - please - get back to the topic. I need a contents-having on-topic reaction :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:39, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear. :P Anyway, I agree with everything you said in the first sentence, so I have nothing to say. --Semyon 09:47, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:37, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Vaegir
Vaegir, a monarchy in the North Sea, a former colony of Great Britain and a kingdom founded by me (and User:Trewsq)! If you want come, you need to come! Wabba The I (talk) 17:10, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Link?  Happy65   Talk CNP   17:13, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

this is the link Wabba The I (talk) 17:31, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Looks okay. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   16:56, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

I edit too many wikis to join though, sorry. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  17:09, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Ban auctions!
* gibber gibber* --Semyon 19:43, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * $1,000 Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 19:49, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * What? No! <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:52, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see what you did there Sunkist. :P --Semyon 19:52, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Lol <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:54, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Only if we also ban images :( --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:37, December 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * No! We should ban banning standard uses on Lovia! --Quarantine Zone (talk) 03:25, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * We should ban banning anything. 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 06:31, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * At least ban some of the things that are banned in USA's law (lovia is a former us colony).  <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 08:23, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Happy: that's not true. We've never been a colony. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:50, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's ban lying on the forums! --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:38, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I was thinking of harvia which is infact a former US colony. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 07:20, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * The wikinations have different histories, you know :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 07:26, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 16:55, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wonder which wikination has the most colorful history; it certainly isn't Lovia, though. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:59, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Brunant probably has the best history. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:07, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wars, coups, revolts, assassinations, its got it all. But in the past fifty years I would say Libertas has had all the action (2 civil wars, I think). And in the past 3 or 4 Lovia has seen its fair share of action (probably more going on in this period than the rest of Lovian history combined). HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:14, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:21, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mäöres is indefeatable. We even have genocide and colonies :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:29, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * A nation with a population of 65'000 having had genocide and colonies? :P 77topaz (talk) 11:10, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Then it's unrealistic if it has colonies and only 50,000 population. Very unrealistic <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 11:10, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * On a small scale: when the first Limburgish people came to Mäöres, they slaughtered the indigenous population (=genocide), and sometime after that, they occupied neighboring islands, such as Little Scotland (bought from England) and Aedslandj (conquered). And Mäöres used to have more inhabitants, but most of them left the country because of political instability and poverty. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:34, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * If it still has those colonies, and hasn't lost them, then it is still unrealistic. When britain lots it's population, look how many colonies it lost. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 07:38, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually not. The British colonies were larger than Britain itself. The colonies of Mäöres were way smaller: Little Scotland only having 600 inhabitants, of which about 40% is Limburgish, Aedslandj having about 15,000 inh., of which about 30% is Limburgish, and Fuujlandj having about 5,000 inh., of which 70% is Limburgish. Smaller colonies are easier to keep. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:40, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * So between Brunant and Mäöres, they have probably 80% of all wikinational conflict. And colonies!?! That's a little passe, don't you think? In Brunant, the only similar thing we have is Mermaid Island. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:58, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, colony is perhaps a big word, but it functions exactly they same. The areas were controlled by "mainland" Mäöres. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:24, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Under the control of Emperor Ilava? <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 09:05, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * No :P Rónd Beie and Rógk Zeel are more responsible for that :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:32, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 09:52, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Agreement League
As stated in the Speakers Corner by me, we need agreement, and I thought that maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to create an agreement league or whatever word for group you want to use. The idea is that anyone could join, and lobby for government agreement instead of arguing. You can check out the speakers corner for more, but if anyone is up for it I think it could be started. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:43, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Possible Logo?

A coalition, you mean? 77topaz (talk) 03:22, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

That's the idea. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 03:27, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well, we usually don't have many problems agreeing besides just plain inactivity, but it's nice to get it a shot. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 03:38, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   07:40, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well it would be nice to have this. We need to get Lovian politicians to learn how to truly compromise and this is a great think to get things going. @TM- Back when all the old users were around, Lovia used to work in a European style political system with good compromise. Now they've left and it seens like we're shifting towards an American-style system in some cases. HORTON11 : •  13:53, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't agree with that, as Oos and Bucu protested and voted against many laws that were pushed through by the communist-moderate leftist (Walden + a few others) dominated Congress. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:32, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Although, simply passing a bill isn't compromise. That would be giving up, which isn't good in politics. You need some pieces from both sides or a new approach that both sides like. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:38, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Please, no idolization of old users. They were good, yes, but no better than the ones we have now - and to say they used to work 'with good compromise' is a blatant lie, sorry. I can't think of any events since 2011 that compare to the so-called Case Villanova, 'fraud' in the 2010 state elections or the infamous Donia Crisis. --Semyon 14:17, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

You're really picking on me lately, Semyon :'( Have to agree with you though, but that's just our political system. Turns out the Mäöreser system is the fairest and least democratic one :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:26, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I assure you, it's always either unintentional or a joke. ;) --Semyon 15:00, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Still, you've broken my heart :'( --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:16, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm just saying they had a more "European outlook" on politics and their only major political clashes were with the extremists like IGP and Doorian. I've never been one to idolize the old, but its time to forge a new identity and people should thing of you, me and others like Kunarian when speaking of "great Lovian cooperation" HORTON11 : •  14:43, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Still don't quite agree with you there. :P I apologize for saying it was a 'blatant lie,' though, that was unnecessary. Sorry. --Semyon 15:00, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

The only ideological difference is that - from an American perspective - we used to have a 100% socialist Congress that never passed any social bills :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:52, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Haha. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   18:28, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

(LATE) well as i saw it (hoepfully i'm considered an oldie by now it's been like 3 yrs on this site) leftism ran rampant on the site with bills getting 80% support but basically it was because leftist parties stuck together and were able to pass legislation through coalitions or agreements. /cough/ we need a leftist coalition /cough/ Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:31, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Polynesian Empire Wiki!
To all the rightist conservatives out there. I've made a new wiki that will be rightist conservative. rightist.wikia.com It's the Polynesian Empire, and if you'd like to check it out, go ahead. Nathan of Fleffenstool and I will be making a Constitution momentarilly, but it may take a few weeks to get started. We're planning on having interraction b/w Lovia and Polynesia too. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 20:13, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

So only rightist conservatives are allowed to edit there? :-( —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:14, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

You do realise Polynesia refers to an existing island area (composed of multiple nations and territories)? 77topaz (talk) 21:25, December 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * You know, I should join and make a Marxist-Leninist Revolutionary League over there (perhaps even a Maoist faction too :) HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 22:01, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * IRL i'm a progressive-socialist, here a labour-center-leftest. BUt since were creating stuff and experimentating in political ideologies, Horton, I may take you up on that ;D a Communist revolutionary party. We're just experimenting in the ideas and stuff :D Marcus/Michael Villanova

Anyone can edit, but there will be laws put in place from the start that will make it rightist and conservative. It will be a Democratic Meritocratc Republic. Nathan and I are busy for the next few days, but the Constitution will be made soon enough. The are will be fictitious just like Lovia. It will have three major islands. One to the right of New Zealand, one to the right of the rest of the Polynesian Islands, and one above the Polynesian Islands. It should encompass most climates, and attract many tourists. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:41, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to help this if it remains neutral from the begining. There was once a wikia around this idea (literally same thing center-right, island nation) and it failed. Can you consider making it nuetral? Marcus/Michael Villanova 02:45, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. I might give it a try one day. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 03:20, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * The site is called "rightist" for goodness sake, Marcus. Something tells me that is a point that he won't be willing to compromise on. :L — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 03:23, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * But that makes a wikia horrible. In havinge xperience in this, and knowing wikias. The founders of this wikia (although progressive) never enacted progressive reforms in the wikias founding but let the users to make the wikia w.e. they wanted it to be. not just what the founders want it to be. Marcus/Michael Villanova 03:41, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's more of an experimental thing for Nathan and I to do stuff with, a sort of Utopia for us. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 04:39, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 11:03, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Check Mate
If you make me King, I'll make sure we have taco tuesdays. Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 22:21, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * An excellent venture, I think, worthy of our support. --Joshua Katz 22:40, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Huraah! Three squeels for the Duke of Pigs! Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 23:14, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bring this to the Second Chamber, (kidding) <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:08, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bring it to the  Second Chamber, spice up the political arguement. I'd like to see what people really do think of the idea of a new monarch. I've lead a coup once, I'll do it again *Not Really*. Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 18:31, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd run for monarch. Since the king has no power, there's no real point though. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 18:53, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want, you may be King on Vaegir. Wabba The I (talk) 19:02, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I might, but I'll think about it. I'm still doubting wether to join, as it will take some time up. I really admire the wiki though, and think it is improving quickly. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:08, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not just stay here and enjoy beautiful Lovia? Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 19:15, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * This will always be my main wiki by far, Charles. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:35, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Running for monarch"? That seems contradictory. :P 77topaz (talk) 10:13, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cambodia and Malaysia would disagree, aswell with Belgium (to a degree). Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 10:31, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to all!



 * Haha, Merry Christmas Marcus! — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 17:01, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, merry christmas to you too, QZ. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 07:15, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Political Role playing wiki
User:Crystalbeastdeck09/Roleplaywiki --- check it out. This idea of a small (self-ruling) medieval city state. It of course bends the possibility of what is possible but is advances on roleplaying and politics. Bennett seems to be on board, anyone else? Marcus/Michael Villanova 15:02, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

I will be the evil bastard. This has a wonderful Game of Thrones feeling to it. Digging it! Jean-Marie V (talk) 20:04, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

New blog project
Hi there all! Yes, I'm back, but to meddle in Lovian politics, but rather to announce my newest blog project. After Monticello to Walden (which went in hibernation in March 2012), I set up The Dimitri Post. Unlike what the name suggests, this blog is not in English.

The Dimitri Post is a Dutch-language news blog in which I make a humble attempt at bringing American news to Belgium and the Netherlands in a fair and balanced way (and I don't mean to play on Fox News' tagline here). For the time being, there's a lot of short news stories, but in due time, I will definitely offer more exhaustive news coverage of major events.

I hope to welcome you all over there from time to time, or at least those of you who know Dutch :D. DimiTalen 15:54, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, it's great to see you back on the wiki. I guess I never saw you or Regialourm since you both became inactive. I am english, but can speak some dutch so I will read it. Will you return active here? <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 16:10, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Je probeert ook altijd weer sluikreclame voor je blogs te maken è :P You're always trying to illegally make some commercial stuff for your blogs è --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:13, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * @OWTB: I won't deny that.
 * @Happy65: Well, I have many and great memories about Wikination, but I've moved on to other things now. I do hope you enjoy yourself here. With the right people, it can be great fun on this wiki! Best, DimiTalen 16:44, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Dimi: Thank you for your advice. I hope you have fun on your blogs. You should make a christmas speech since you are king, and unless you retire from that position, you remain the king. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:08, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why sluikreclame? This seems like pretty clear reclame to me. :P 77topaz (talk) 20:00, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Happy65: Considering the controversy caused by the king's Christmas message in Belgium, I shall refrain from doing any speeches myself :P. But of course, I wish all of you pleasant holidays and a happy New Year! DimiTalen 07:23, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Dimi: Okay, good luck writing the Dimitri Post. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 08:02, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, perhaps it's just normal reclame :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:50, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Oos: . <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 08:59, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cough* *Cought* Has his majesty seen from my proposal, taco Tuesdays if I were to be King, perhaps abdication of the throne for the sake of tacos, and also the Lovian people? Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 18:30, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Ahem! You do not have royal blood and therefore cannot become the king, nobody without royal blood can. And Taco Tuesdays? You are going to bring the whole population of Lovia into a big hall eating millions of tacos. The best mexican restraunt in the world could not do that! <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   18:38, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Blood is not everything child, blood did not appoint his first majesty to the throne, they gained it. This is my Five Step Taco Plan, (FSTP)


 * Introduce Lovian kids to healthy tacos on the weekday of tuesday, replacing any food of that day.
 * Every tuesday, taco reasturants will gain a government tax break, thus when you buy the tacos, you get no taxos.
 * Creation of a taco shop in the capital building and royal palace. People will follower their King (me *cough* *cough*) and his loyal politicans to praticipate in this national ritual.
 * Increase economic ties with Mexico, they are close and plentiful with tacos. Also, they have oil.
 * Presentation of the 'unfoldedtaco' a national mascot to parade down our streets every Thanksgiving and Christmas to trow tacos to the crowds.


 * But, back to the blood part, I really do love French fries, so if french fries are Belgian, and you are what you eat, thus that makes me Belgian. Check Mate. Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 19:09, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Being Belgian does not give your Royal blood. But if we are to apply that logic, we can just as easily select Gert Henneman. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:16, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fine, if we are going to play dirty. I say we have a sing off for the crown. Whom ever sings the Belgian national anthem the best, wins. Agreeable? Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 19:24, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The king has no executive power, and therefore we do not need another one, but then again I am not against you. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:49, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Guys, there's no need to elect or appoint a new King. Mäöres is - secretly - planning to invade Lovia and make yet another colony of it :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:14, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oos, that makes exactly no sense. :P 77topaz (talk) 10:38, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably it doesn't yeah :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:52, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

IWo Games
Everybody look at Talk:2013 IWO Games and User blog:Happy65/Brunant 2013 because there is information about the IWO Games. Granero (talk) 04:56, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Not many people seem to be taking any notice of the Brunant Bid Team though. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  08:04, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Joining a Party
Being new here, I am confused as to which party I should join. I'm a populist, so I support people's rights, and I'm somewhat of a libertarian. I don't have much of a religious position, being agnostic. --X572083x (talk) 20:15, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to say, the CNP is full but I hope that if you become a citizen we can have your support. I'll let you know that the CNP were born out of populism, we have a huge support for personal freedoms and have a very libertarian approach to government. We uphold Democracy and Individualism above all with the aim of uniting the people for a better tomorrow. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 10:57, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

CNP, PL or GP could work for you. Would you consider yourself concerned about the environment? 77topaz (talk) 21:46, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * ^That was my 1000th edit on Lovia, woo! :) 77topaz (talk) 08:51, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Or, this: http://nation.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Agreement_Coalition?diff=prev&oldid=148272 77topaz (talk) 09:22, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not very concerned with it really. I don't have many policies on it myself, so I don't have much of an opinion on it. I've decided to join the PL once I obtain citizenship. --X572083x (talk) 22:41, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, if you ever want to change your mind, I would like to let you know that the CNP has been proving 2nd best on the polls behind CCPL and has almost exactly the same beliefs as PL, and we are not much nationalist, we are a conservative libertarian in the center-right position just like PL. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   09:14, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah come on Happy of course we're nationalist, it's in the name! ;D Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 10:57, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Less nationalist than libertarian. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 11:29, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Second best after CCPL? That ain't a good advertisement, 'cause that would imply joining CCPL is better (which it is of course..) :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:16, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the polls have been sockpuppeted by your sockpuppets, therefore cnp would win without your socks voting. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   11:30, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoa if sockpuppets have been fixing the polls to make Oos look better then that invalidates it all including the good stuff for the CNP besides no need to throw accusations around k happy, after all so close to voting we need all the friends we can get. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 11:35, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

No, I didn't. You may want to check when I last logged in with Anfii: Special:ListUsers: 17:45, September 3, 2009. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:54, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Haha. I was only kidding. I forgot to put the (just kidding in small) part at the end. Sorry if you thought I was being serious. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  08:20, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Federal  Elections
I tried to add myself to candidacies (I just got 50 edits, this is my fourth day, and I have a permanent residency), but it's locked :( I want to run, but I am unable. --Strobe 00:59, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I believe that you still should be able to. You did see where to add yourself and know how to do so, right? — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 01:44, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

GoYou and the remnants of Jeff
For those of you who were online last night (New York time, I'm too lazy to convert), you may have noticed that I made some rather big changes to some of Jeff's old articles, such as GoYou and his characters. Now Jeff was banned from all Wikia's by Wikia itself a while back, so I don't expect to see him again, however, his articles covered some pretty major stuff regarding the Lovian market. Last night, I happened across some of his articles, and seeing as how I was Jeff's biffle, I took it upon myself to look over his articles to improve the story and the wording behind them a little bit. If you compare these articles, chances are that you will like the newer, more wikified layout a little more. Unfortunately, and the reason that I bothered bringing this up is that I made a stupid mistake, having overlooked that Artie McCand was supposed to be the creator of GoYou, not Bill An (which is what I changed it too), and now I feel guilty and want to restore most of it to its previous state, whilst retaining all of the positive changes that I made. I will be looking into fixing this myself over the next couple of days, but if anyone would be willing to lend me a hand or share their opinion on the change, I feel that it would be highly constructive. Cheers, — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 20:11, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

HAPPY NEW YEAR! - a word from Lukas Hoffmann
Although it's not new year in Lovia for many the time has gone by and we're entering 2013 with a whole new load of hope, ideas and aspirations. Looking back on 2012 we had to recover from the civil war which left us with many of the veterans of Lovia leaving and did we? YES! we had to rebuild a community which was left shaken after losses in 2011 and did we? HELL YES! we had to keep Lovia running and keep it interesting and did we? YES AGAIN!

This year has been full of successes despite not quite making the political progress we hoped. But in this new year I believe that with the strength that this community has and the new co-operative attitude many of us are bringing to the table that we can do more in 2013. So for now enjoy your drink, enjoy your fireworks and enjoy being with your family!

HERE'S TO A NEW YEAR WITH A NEW DIRECTION!

TO LOVIA!

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 00:16, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yay! — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello  (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 02:01, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Great speech! Hopefully we can accomplish more politically next term. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 04:07, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yep! <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   07:06, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Like TIme here I have to commend you on your speech. Now, with a little bit of compromise we can get things going again for 2013. HORTON11 : •  17:38, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Vote smart
This, election, it is time to vote smart. Not for the gimmicky campaign, not for the fancy metaphor but for the man who delivers on what he sets out to do. This year, Justin Abrahams has: Now when you go out to vote, be sure to vote for results and not promises. And lastly, get out and vote. HORTON11 : •  17:30, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Expanded a good and solid education system in Clymene
 * Improved health care for the whole state
 * Begun transportation reform in Lovia

Justin Abrahams has: Vote for CNP to reign him in so he can do good but not bankrupt Lovia. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 17:39, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cost Congress more money than all other congressmembers this year combined. (probably)
 * Vote him for the boom and bust

One mo I should probably explain myself a bit more not just throw mud. I think that you can do great things for Lovia, I just think that without a reign on what you're doing you'll cost Lovia more than you will benefit it. You need a balance. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 17:40, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

My comment just dissapeared :O <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   17:44, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Now wait a minute there, Mr. Hoffmann. I would like to spend, but there are always limits to things. We can't spend reckelssly or else we'll be down the dumps like the Greeks, and we can't tax 70% like Sweden or else everyone will be broke. Once we have taxes and a budget we will be able to determine how much we can spend without breaking the bank. HORTON11 : •  17:51, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * We should probably also consider the recent costs of our actions. The ones in Clymene I think far exceed the rate at which you should have been spending, so we'll see. But I have a hunch that I'll be proved right. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 17:56, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * What I have been spending on are all very essential services. I am not going for extravagant things like a space base. I would stop that spending if congress were to take this over, but for now I'm taking the lead in this. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:05, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Go back, Hoffmann. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:57, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Chat Moderators
I've noticed the chat moderators on here. I am confused as to how they are picked, as some users, such as Timemaster, have been active for much longer and have more edits than some of the chat moderators. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 22:45, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

It's about the experience on Wikia's Chat, not about experience on the wikis. All the users selected as chat moderator's are extremely experienced on other chat rooms and have been appointed by Prime Minister Oos Wes Ilava as they have gained his trust. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   09:32, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, a chat mod status is not as important as admin rights. Cause they can be reverted easily. If TM wants chat mod status, he can ask and he'll get them. I'm not gonna make a problem of it :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:15, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

If Timey want to be Chat Moderator, I want it too and Pierlot and all the others. Wabba The I (talk) 15:00, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Mmmm... That does change the situation slightly. I slightly fear kick-and-ban situations if everyone has got mod status :| --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:52, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I request you remove my chat mod status, though I fear it's not possible, since I don't really know what I'm doing. :P I think I already kicked Horton without meaning to. @everyone: being mod/admin doesn't mean you're more 'special' than any other user. :) Otherwise, I might have had a few more seats last congress. :P This year admittedly I hope to do slightly better, but that's because of my relentless propaganda. --Semyon 16:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

@Semyon: indeed impossible :P @propoganda: there ain't no way to beat Uncle Oos :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Is that a challenge è? :P --Semyon 16:26, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

You just gotta admit who's the "head admin" here :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:34, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

No head admin, Mr Ilava. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   16:58, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I'd say it's Dimi... --Quarantine Zone (talk) 17:00, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Haha, that's the spirit. Most of the community does no longer class dimi as an "admin" <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   17:03, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, he is King here, and founder. Even if he isn't active. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 17:10, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

True. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   19:54, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Oos: you do realise chat mods can't kick/ban other chat mods? (except for admins being able to kick "normal" mods IIRC) 77topaz (talk) 20:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Haha, even I admit Oos is head admin, but I'm sceptical of the 'head propagandist' claims. ;) @some people: No, Dimi is the head bureaucrat. ;) --Semyon 21:42, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I guess it does seem like Oos is the head admin, but we should have a poll :) <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   07:15, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Have we actually kicked or banned someone already? (except for Semyon kicking Horton :P) And anyway - I'm gonna get serious here, enjoy it 'cause that's rare :P - admin rights is just a burden officially, I'm not more important than anyway on paper. Ofcourse, I'm the head editor active here --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:15, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, there has only been one (intentional) kick at the moment. A considerable number of the chat-using-users having chatmod status also probably has an effect. 77topaz (talk) 00:32, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

I edit the most actively actually (25 edits per day) since late October (I only edited one day in May and left). <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   08:23, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

True. But overall, I'm still the guy with most edits who's actively involved with the community. Not that that's really important :P Quality above quantity è. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:45, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Let me say something. Semyon by far has the most edits of "quality" <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   07:43, January 8, 2013 (UTC)



Damn Technology
Im sorry i was inactive (i hate being inactive) but my computer broke right after christmas during the time of the year where cheap laptops are alls old out but was able to then get a Dell Insprion laptop for 299.99 today :D so happy its great and will be able to be your favorite rampaging Labour politician again :D HAPPY NEW YEAR :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:46, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Happy New Year! :D $299.99 is a great price for a laptop, you were lucky to get one that cheap. Though I have a feeling technological stuff is cheaper in the US... --Semyon 21:43, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Semyon, it's called taxation :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:16, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't know, there's none in Lovia. :P --Semyon 13:57, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hahhaa :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:03, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Two spare characters?
Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone would like two spare characters for the 2013 NCO. They are John Bass and Simon Beck, and have centre to centre-right viewpoints. Both are former leaders of the NLP which was a classical liberal party, so PL or CNP are likely homes for them nowadays. GP and SLP are less likely but still plausible. If you accept this once-in-a-lifetime offer, your party will receive the prestige of having pre-2008 MOTCs as members. :P --Semyon 21:54, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to claim both for the CNP if you don't mind, I get the feeling social centrists and economic conservatives with a focus on the north would be great for my party of confederates and classical liberals. They'd be great additions for the expansion of our northern vote. :) Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 22:30, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

That's great Kunarian. I forgot Keith Moore, btw, tho' perhaps it's reasonable that one would have retired. --Semyon 22:38, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well I thought that the NLP founder John Bass might have retired but if it's possible I'd like them all unless you feel that's unreasonable. I'd like John Bass to be a useful proponent of free market and a national representative, Simon Beck to be a leader of our educational program and Keith Moore to be a assistant campaigner of Daves for the northern vote particularly in Clymene. :) Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 22:55, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Seems ok to me. :) Though the NLP's 'official successor' today is the SLP, as NLP --> Liberal Union --> LDP --> SLP, so some explanation as to why all the major NLP members are now in CNP instead might be necessary. --Semyon 10:06, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

I suppose after each merger a small group dissatisfied with the new party would have left and become independent or simply retired from politics. When a party such as CNP was formed that was more in line with their views, they would have joined it. I'm sure you can find some way of getting these three into the CNP in a way that fits with the party's history (whatever it might be. :P) --Semyon 10:12, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

My opinion on this issue is that LDP also contained CNP or PL style members until those parties formed to fit the growing number of Lovians who adhere to those views. Once the rightists in LDP left (according to your reasons), it changed its name to SLP to fit the views of the remaining leftists and centrists. :) —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:51, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

A ruthless policy, could be initiated in an article near you.
Deaesopization anyone? :P --Semyon 14:00, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Too lazy to do it myself :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:04, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Be my guest. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:07, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * :P <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 16:42, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I hate those side information stuff. Most of them are from Aesopos and his sockpuppets. Wabba The I (talk) 17:33, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's why semyon said Deaesopization. You get it? <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 07:49, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh! I just see it now! :p Wabba The I (talk) 16:08, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Haha. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 16:21, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Eldoras Wiki
Yes I know that is just created Vaegir Wiki but I have a new one, Eldoras Wiki. It is about a medieval archipelago! Wabba The I (talk) 15:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Looks good <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   16:20, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Labour in Congress
We need your votes to keep us in Congress! Remember we're a party supported by the middle class and it's worker's Unions, so you know we will only look out for out. We'll fight the big buisnesses, while keeping (hopefully taxes get passed) corporate taxes low. We will work across the asile to pass reforms and want to get tax codes passed along with empowering those at the state level, to let each state decide on it's own matters. Keep Labour in Congress. We're Building Bridges to the Future. Marcus/Michael Villanova 23:40, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

2013 Congress if Elections ended today
Here are the number of seats that each candidate would have if elections ended today. It conveniently adds up to 100. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:51, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sheraldin - 4
 * Breyev - 6
 * Bennett - 6
 * Hoffmann - 8
 * Krosby - 10
 * Abrahams - 6
 * Leskromento - 11
 * Al-Asmari - 5
 * Taiyo - 2
 * Costello - 6
 * Underhill - 5
 * Austira - 2
 * Torres - 2
 * Luton - 0
 * Villanova - 2
 * Mans - 2
 * Ilava - 12
 * McComb - 2
 * Avant - 1
 * Lewis - 5
 * Koenen - 3
 * Greens - 14
 * CNP - 19
 * SLP - 14
 * Labour - 8
 * CDP - 3
 * PL - 8
 * CCPL - 17

Enjoy. By the way, my opinion: Main PM candidates at this point are Ilava, Leskromento, and Krosby, who are all popular and leading in polls. Labour is doing surprisingly poorly. Other parties are doing roughly as expected, except for the Greens, who will gain many seats, but only IC. OOC they are doing as expected. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:56, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you can explain the rise in the Greens and the fall of Labour IC as a move of votes from the latter to the former. Personally I can't wait for a map to be released. I've been followng the votes by residency on my excel spreadsheet and so I think I may draw up a prediction map today for who will win what areas. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 09:47, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

We are doing poorly, i don't blame this exactly on our ideology Lovia hasn't been in it's leftist heyday since early 2011 so I just put this on new users sticking together which is expected. Hopefully we do some vote swaying on experience and balanced platform. Marcus/Michael Villanova 02:30, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally I think that it's a lot more than ideology. The wikia is actually more centrist than ever and I guess that just means people get more votes for their reputation and policy rather than what wing their party is said to stand on. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 09:47, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Who's in the lead??? CNP! <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   08:15, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * YEAH! high five! but remember, these seats are awarded to us for a reason. Winning them is great but it's what we do with them that truly matters... but I think we'll have to hold a party after the elections for our performance, 15 seats plus is fantastic. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 09:49, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

How can Underhill/George have more seats than me? I have more "points". :P 77topaz (talk) 09:38, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * This was before Dimitris votes, don't worry. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 09:47, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * There seemed to be some mathematical inconsistencies at the last elections too. :P (By the way, before Dimi's vote, I had six points and George five :P) 77topaz (talk) 09:51, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's more 70% ideology 30% want of difference/new wave of users. I think it's reflected in which John Lewis (Wabba) left our party and with it some congressmen and votes which are vital to the party, just in the numbers game. But i think now there's a shift right, which counter-balanced the LONG run of leftism. Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:34, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Election update

 * (With one overhang seat due to vote totals)
 * N.Sheraldin - 5 seats
 * S.Brevy - 6 seats
 * C.Bennet - 6 seats
 * L.Hoffmann - 8 seats
 * W.Krosby - 9 Seats
 * J.Abrahams - 9 seats
 * D.Leskromento - 9 seats
 * R. Al-Asmari - 5 Seats
 * T. No eisei - 5 seats
 * C. Costello - 5 seats
 * G. Underhill - 3 seats
 * L.Austira - 2 seats
 * J.Torres - 2 seats
 * M.Villanova - 7 seats
 * M.Mans - 2 seats
 * O.Illava - 11 seats
 * M.Mcomb - 2 seats
 * J.Avant - 1 seat
 * J.lewis - 5 seats
 * B.Koen - 2 Seats
 * Recap - Labour pulling up some, with the left also surging a bit. With a historic ammoutn of candidate larger more influential congressmen are seeing there seat totals going down, but with now a great diversity of new and old congressmen and new parties alike.
 * (By party)
 * Green Party - 11 seats
 * Independents - 12 seats
 * Conservative Nationalist Party - 17 seats
 * Social Liberal Party - 13 seats
 * Labour Party - 16 seats
 * Christian Democratic Party - 3 seats
 * Positive Lovia - 7 seats
 * Limburgish Minority Party - 2 seats
 * CCPL - 16 seats
 * Moderate Centrist Party - 2 seats
 * Five Main political parties have emerged: Green, CNP, SLP, Labour, and the CCPL. Now do to an (unofficial) agreement between the SLP, Green and CNP they could have up to an impressive 41 seats in congress if they stick together. But Labour wants a broad coalition of SLP and CCPL but seems one sided with only Labour wanting it. Positive Lovia is mostly gone from it's heyday of feilding tons of candidates and getting good feedback but is down to 7 seats. Smaller, and independent candidates are also doing good with the LMP, MCP, and independents together grabing 18 seats. Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:57, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * These calculations are wrong, you haven't taken into account the minimum needed amount of votes rule. Actual party seats stand like this:

I also have voting statistics for states, which I think would be interesting to release... Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 22:28, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ind. - 12 seats
 * CDP - 2 seats
 * CCPL - 17 seats
 * MCP - 3 seats
 * LMP - 2 seats
 * CNP - 18 seats
 * PL - 7 seats
 * GP - 13 seats
 * SLP - 11 seats
 * LP - 15 seats

How i forgot about that tbh, arent the minimum requirments just gaining three votes or more? Marcus/Michael Villanova 23:30, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, Marcus went from 0 seats to 7 seats in a matter of days. I asked Percival to retract his vote (hasn't edited in 14 months), but the others seem fair. :) —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:33, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

@Hoffmann - What requirements are you talking about? Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:26, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Dârtsekroeansstried 2013
Registrating for the Dârtsekroeansstried 2013 is now open. This international darts competition will be held in Mäöres. All wikinations may send in their best darters to compete in the Dârtsekroeansstried 2013. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:45, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Accent?
Does anyone know what this accent is? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLFj2wjOG1A). I would like to know cause it's the one I think would be closest to the Brunanter English. HORTON11 : •  20:06, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure whether he's a native :| Perhaps South African? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:12, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * South African is more accented, I think. Well, I liked this one cause it's not particularly British but it does have some influences/similarities, which would suit Brunant nicely. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 20:20, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, especially the devoicing of -z to -s sounds a bit Dutch-like. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:36, January 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 19:38, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Oceana Late
Anyone interested in being the host of Oceana Late? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:05, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe for Health and Safety you should tell the new community what happened to the previous host and the worst bit of this show's history, what happened to the last ever guest. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   16:07, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind, as long as we deon't allow viewers to carry guns. HORTON11 : •  16:35, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, i wouldn't mind either, if it didn't have firearms. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   17:56, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hahahah, those were the times. But it also indicates why we need a strict firearms law :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:05, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Go to Brunant chat please. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  18:08, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Why don't we keep Ygo August Donia as host (someone else can control)? Perfect opportunity to restart the show as he retires from politics. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:01, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Well, that would still require someone else to control him :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:22, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Elections still need to be exicitng
Just because I found it funny and want to hype elections more and point out policy of the CDP: An election is a race and needs the regular propaganda per se. Still found it funny... Marcus/Michael Villanova 02:15, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

The drinking age in Saudi Arabia is infinite: No one can drink alcohol. Therefore 24 is not the highest in the world. Besides, I think there are one or two other Muslim countries that also have 24. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 11:55, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

I know this fact already but when you compare anything inluding a "christian party" to an undemocratic islamic nation, then change the policy. Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:27, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Drinking in general is hazardous. I see it like a soft drug to some extent. People have to be mature enough to be able to drink responsibly. For "soft" fire arms (paintball, airsoft, BB, and pellet guns) I don't really see why people shouldn't be able to buy them. Maybe for BB and pellet guns it would be reasonable to raise the age, but airsoft and paintball guns aren't too strong usually. We could simply limit the FPS on airsoft and paintball to 650. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 23:57, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Well if were doing propaganda...


lol xD.......Marcus/Michael Villanova 01:22, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * The bridge is about to collapse! :o --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:48, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Movie
I had an idea that we should do a WWII movie between Lovia and Brunant. I plan to retroactively make the movie on the book Emma but that's a tragedy, and it would be nice to make a gritty action film, perhaps looking at Lovia's participation too. HORTON11 : •  08:12, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Elections update
Most candidates have reached the seat threshold (way to go!) which is recieving three votes.
 * nicholas sheraldin - 7 votes - 4 seats
 * Seymon Breyev - 8 votes-5 seats
 * Charles Bennett - 9 votes-5 seats
 * Lukas Hoffmann - 12 votes-7 seats
 * William Krosby - 14 votes-8 seats
 * Justin Abrahams - 14 votes-8 seats
 * Dave Leskromento - 15 votes-9 seats
 * Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari - 7 votes-4 seats
 * Taiyo no eisei - 5 votes-3 seats
 * Christopher Costello - 8 votes-5 seats
 * George Underhill - 5 votes-3 seats
 * Lucy Austira - 3 votes-2 seats
 * James Torres - 3 votes-2 seats
 * Marcus Villanova - 11 votes-7 seats
 * Martign Mans - 4 votes-2 seats
 * Oos Wes Illava - 23 votes-14 seats
 * Mathew McComb - 3 votes-2 seats
 * Justin Avant - 5 votes-3 seats
 * John Lewis - 7 votes-4 seats
 * Bart Koenen - 6 votes-4 seats
 * Total votes - 169
 * Again there is a overhang seat do the great ammount of congressmen running and ammount of votes
 * CNP - 16 seats
 * SLP -  12 seats
 * PL - 7 seats
 * CCPL - 18 seats
 * GP - 11 seats
 * LP - 15 seats
 * CDP - 6 seats
 * LMP - 2 seats
 * MCP - 4 seats
 * Inds. - 10 seats
 * By "right - left -crnter"
 * Right (CNP, PL, CDP, LMP) - 31 seats
 * Center (Inds, CCPL, MCP) - 32 seats
 * Left (LP, GP, SLP) - 38 seats Marcus/Michael Villanova 14:51, January 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * These are slightly wrong again, You should have 6 seats not 7, you've done 101 seats, you don't need to do the overhang as the MCP get the seat before you, leaving no seats to be assigned. It should be:


 * CNP - 16 seats
 * SLP -  12 seats
 * PL - 7 seats
 * CCPL - 18 seats
 * GP - 11 seats
 * LP - 14 seats
 * CDP - 6 seats
 * LMP - 2 seats
 * MCP - 4 seats
 * Ind. - 10 seats

so if you also want to do it by your left right center:


 * Left (LP, GP, SLP) - 37 seats
 * Center (Inds, CCPL, MCP) - 32 seats
 * Right (CNP, PL, CDP, LMP) - 31 seats

or by possible coalitions:


 * Libertarian (GP, SLP, CNP, PL) - 46 seats
 * CCPL-CNP (CCPL, CNP) - 34 seats
 * Christian Coalition (CCPL, CDP, LMP) - 26 seats

Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 16:12, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

But if both end in .5 why would one get the seat over another? Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:31, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

There are hundreds places too. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 17:39, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Time is right, and the MCP end in .55 and yours ends in .50 Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 19:28, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, well then....lol Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:38, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Idk if I'd call SLP libertarian. There more modern liberal...--Quarantine Zone (talk) 22:53, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Word Cloud. Just something odd in the elections season: Three leading parties in this election what there pages most often say: Marcus/Michael Villanova 23:16, January 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * I like mine, Lovia, Education and Economy are big things on it (so is propaganda but that's largely from headings), although the CNP page is rather undeveloped compared to the others so I'm also going to post up a word cloud of my policy for this year. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 00:25, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you look closely, you can see that the word that appears often is in fact "propoganda", which is a misspelling. :P 77topaz (talk) 00:38, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

CDP's word cloud is rather uninteresting. I don't repeat many words apparently, but it does have a nice water mark in the lower right corner!

--Quarantine Zone (talk) 00:10, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

TM asked Percival to withdraw his vote, so that would probably have an effect? 77topaz (talk) 00:19, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
In an election year with more candidates that ever, and soooooo many votes, Labour wanted to thank the people and voters for another year of support. 14 members affiliated and in the Labour Party are going back into congress to represent you! Thanks - Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:09, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Government
Hi. In addition to filling out your congresspersons at the National Congressperson Order, would all elected MOTCs please take a look at this forum? Forum:Government Thanks in advance. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:21, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

For those (Marcus) who think we do this in the First Chamber: we don't. They are not talks in Congress, as Congress has not been inaugurated yet. Last year we did them on User talk:TimeMaster/Ministries. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:31, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Election Result Map
The results for the elections by district, as you would expect previous voting records affect this map along with who the Governors/Deputies are (support base).

In Clymene, Labour holds strong, only challenged by the Greens, other parties fail to break through in support. In Seven, CCPL and the CNP take pluralities in Philosophers Island and American Island respectively however the Independent vote is strong and widespread. In Kings SLP maintains its support base, and due to Labours dip the Greens and SLP take more pluralities in the west, CCPL holds only the traditionally conservative district of Hawkes Wood. Sylvania has a very mixed vote but the CNP, GP and Labour manage to pull pluralities and the Independent Charles Bennett manages to gain strong support from west Sylvania as well as across other parts of the State. In Oceana, overwhelming support for Oos Wes Ilava gives him a plurality everywhere except East Hills where they come close.

This is just to give us a consistent map to drawn historical voting from. And I think it adds a nice visual to the elections page, if none can raise concerns that cannot be addressed then I shall add it. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 01:42, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

This is a great looking map, it shows the realistic results from voting precincts.. -Sunkist- (talk) 02:09, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

I have no big problems with this, Labour (as a left, center-left party would) take urban areas like TV, East Hills, Beaverwick, and Clymene staying Left/center-left is nice. A relief (by ammount of support) would be nice, but still good. Marcus/Michael Villanova 02:11, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I can do a relief but that may take some time. I was thinking about doing a results table however. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 02:20, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

I think there's not enough Labour and CCPL in Kings, too much CCPL in Oceana, not enough Labour in Sylvania, not enough CCPL in Sylvania and Clymene, and not enough CNP in Oceana, Kings and Clymene. PL seems to be missing, in addition. Good start, but just too regional, I think. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 02:33, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Time this isn't proportional representation, there isn't a need for everything to be mismatched colour. There's enough Labour and CCPL in Kings, believe me, I've run the numbers as well as considered voting record. And CCPL in Sylvania? CCPL has never won a district also in Clymene, CCPL have not been doing anything and the last time they won an area in Clymene was 2011, it's gone more to the left. CNP also aren't going to be able to make pluralities in Oceana due to our policies being kind of undercut there by CCPL coupled with their more religious take, we're not winning anything also in Kings, we do well but we're spread out thinly, no plurality level support same for Clymene. PL has 10,725 votes, spread out, PL cannot make a plurality at all, it has built up no support bases. Also I understand that you feel it's too regional but that's how voting looks when you go with pluralities. It's not supposed to act as a proportional representation of the elections, just to show which parties came out on top where. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 02:49, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

The area of American Island that encompasses Kinley should be yellow probably. 10 votes for CDP (all CDP votes) were from Kinley. I think that 10 votes is the majority... --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:47, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * We can't do it like that. We need to A) be realistic and B) consider where parties have been active and C) the historical leanings of districts. If we did it by user votes, the CNP would have a majority in Clymene, Kings would be almost completely GP and Seven would have no votes for independents. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 02:52, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * (I'm on Kunarians side) Must be in the twilight zone, but HES CORRECT. remember the outcome of the election also. Marcus/Michael Villanova 02:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to add, don't worry, you've got strong support in seven (calculating vote now) but it will not be focused in Kinley, especially considering it is not really CDP-like in ideology, although you will gain votes there. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 02:59, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * As the CDP color is now blue, it wouldn't matter actually. Nathan told me to change the color from yellow because yellows wave length was harder to see or something...so now it is blue anyways... --Quarantine Zone (talk) 03:12, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

IN defense of the map

 * Clymene: Clymene is a buddist-asian and green state with a long history of progressivism and voting to the left of the nation. This should be a HUGE Labour safe state, but in a year where the party has done bad and slipping in the polls the state's progressive base tried another option the Green Party, showing why they obtained the Deputy position back in the fall.
 * Seven: A more conservative, nationalistic state with heavy christian voters, but the smallest state population wise. Seymon's support for the people there and a center-right moderate, platform would allow him to capture a large portion of the voter base. Also more major parties like the CNP and CCPL would excell here due to the conservative and nationalistic platforms.
 * ALTHOUGH the CDP is a much more conservative party, maybe too conservative for there likes, they finsihed near the bottom of the parties and no ammount of support would give them a district
 * Kings: In the Urban areas of the state there should be a tick more Labour support, but since it's an off election year more them give it to the SLP. Krosby's love for the state has erased a long history of CPL.nm/Yuri support and since it's not by percentage it looks good. The Greens were able to win some southern progressive voters while the CCPL was able to capitalize on the rural base in southern Kings. (SO FAR GREAT)
 * Sylvania: Some minor problems here, again a off year for Labour but not entirley. Maybe give Labour Charleston or the outside of NC. Like Beaverwick, Labour has good connections in Charleston. otherwise very good.
 * Oceana: Do you know Lovian politics? Do you know which of our users dedicated his time to build up the state, culture and language? OOS!!! Governor and public figure for so long hes bound to win ALOT of the support here. @Kunarian - Labour no longer runs candidates in Oceana, so the east hills district would be won by NPO there Oceana affiliate. Marcus/Michael Villanova 03:06, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Marcus, times like these, I love you. Also about east hills, remember it's a federal election, so they'd probably vote labour more than NPO, NPO is Labours State Election buddy there. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 03:09, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

lol, gotcha. Either way. Leave it. Marcus/Michael Villanova 03:13, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Clymene: That was never agreed upon and the state article hardly even mentions it anyway. In addition, asian and buddhist doesn't mean progressive. There are plenty of rural areas and there should be a bigger conservative presence in Clymene.
 * Seven: In character, Semyon only won one seat - he didn't have his own list of independents or Semyon supporters. In addition, there should be a bigger left-wing presence in Seven. After all, Johnson (CPL.nm) won the governorship there in 2010.
 * Kings: Exactly. There should be more Labour support in the dense cities where their core support comes from: lower-income workers. In addition, the most rural areas (Eastern Kings, etc.) would probably vote more CCPL. I think that GP is a bit progressive for the tastes of the rural people there, same in other states.
 * Sylvania: I'd say give Labour Charleston and the outside of NC (Transcity, other industrial areas away from core), yes. Same independent problem with Semyon - in character, Bennett only won one seat. Otherwise looks good, though more CCPL is needed, possibly in the mountains.
 * Oceana: Oceana is not 100% Oos. Oos lost to McCandless in 2010 and his margin wasn't so big in 2011 - I think in the denser cities that they could go Labour (NPO) or for another party, such as PNO or its national equivalent MCP.
 * Positive Lovia: Missing. . . —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 03:18, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Time once, again this isn't proportional so please stop thinking that there needs to be a proportional representation on the map. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 03:36, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

I won five seats..I appointed my members. I think Charleston would be the heart of my voting base. -Sunkist- (talk) 03:24, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * You would have a higher percentage of the vote in the Rural Headlands. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 03:40, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Clymene: So an asian-buddist-mostly non reiligious state with the last few governors being Labour/Progressive isn't gonna vote progressive?
 * Seven: Seymon also won some more rural areas though so in reality its fair. CPL.nm DIED, so hard. Which shows the loss of support in Kings as well, but in addition cultural and reiligion would prove Conservatives would win there.
 * Kings: It's good, maybe some Labour support in Portland or Newhaven, one or the other (were talking about the election results)
 * Sylvania: Nah, It's fine. We had a off election but we would have won Charleston and TV dats it. @Sun - No, the rural western sylvania is your base, a city with strong relation to a labour party member with urbanied areas is labour.
 * Oceana: It's fine. Marcus/Michael Villanova 03:26, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Even though this doesn't affect the map, as CDP is now blue, both CDP members are from Kinley, and all of CDP's votes are from Kinley, and Taiyō Alternate Energy has a facility in Kinley. Not to mention that CDP would receive some votes from elsewhere in the region as I am the Deputy Governor...and Seven is mostly conservative, nationalist, moderate-right, and Christian. CDP fits all of these except the moderate-right, were farther right than that. And wouldn't it be independent if it wasn't CDP because of Semyon? --Quarantine Zone (talk) 03:29, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * But your party won 6 seats, even in a year with massive ammounts of parties and cadidates it still doesn't show an ammount of support in one area. Maybe one rural area for it... Marcus/Michael Villanova 03:31, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Who are you to tell me what my base is? I built that city, I fought for it durning the civil war. Why won't they vote for me? Becuase I don't have a little L beside my name on the ballot? -Sunkist- (talk) 03:36, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think Bennetts social policies being what they are plus his western Sylvania focus could have won him a plurality in Charleston. Besides, the way Lovian elections work is that people get voted for and then the people get allocated seats and they dish them out. That's how it's written and it's a good system I think actually and a good way to have proportional representation without it being overly complex or being party dominated. Bennett would could have gotten votes from people from anywhere just because they are farmers somewhere that agree with his views (highly likely). Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 03:40, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

It's six seats from one city within one city though...like I said though, CDP is blue anyway, so it doesn't affect the map. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 03:44, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * But it's not six seats from one city. It's six seats from across the nation... Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 03:47, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

@Sunkist, think of you as your own individual party, if your party received the most support from the district then it would be that color; however, your support was spread over multiple districts and you received five votes (that's less than my party even...) and Labour's largest supporters are from Clymene, so their mostly going to vote Labour. Your argument is weaker than mine is, and mine is only half-decent. @Kunarian, what I meant is that within the region in American Island that has Kinley, I think that CDP had the most support of any party. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 03:44, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * His argument is hardly weaker than yours, it's stronger in fact, he has a direct focus on Western Sylvania, Western Sylvania has a population of around three and a half thousand and he has 8,775 votes for him, he's going to win. Your party never said it focused on Seven, American Island has a population of around 13 thousand and you have 9,750 votes for you, you have votes from across the nation and even if the bulk of your support in seven falls in american island, you face the fact that so does the CNP support in seven. I'm not swindling you out of a place, believe me and believe me when I say that if you do focus on Seven, then next year, you'll see CDP getting those districts. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 04:02, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Where else am I going to get my votes from? Most of my voters are from West Sylvania...if not from the countryside, and I didn't even win any of the country side in any other states. -Sunkist- (talk) 03:57, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * How is support determined? How does one determine where they got votes from? --Quarantine Zone (talk) 18:19, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's most likely a gaggle of things from the political science specturm. In areas with strong lutheran areas which typically vote conservative they'd go for CCPL or CNP or something. In general reiligion, politics, politicans, sucesses there, history, party support. A large combination of these things also including the culture and views of the people. Marcus/Michael Villanova 18:24, January 23, 2013 (UTC) (Look below)
 * You could write an equation for that. It wouldn't take too much work to figure one out. You would simply have to have variables for religion, political ideas, and past support. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 18:29, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Bismarck model healthcare
For those of you who don't know what Bismarck is, it is what is used by Germany and Switzerland (hence Chancellor Bismarck of Germany). Bismarck model is where healthcare is paid through taxes, similar to Beveridge model, but in the Bismarck model, hospitals are still private, and people only receive healthcare when it is needed, so sicknesses, injuries, and conditions are covered. People are still able to buy there own healthcare through non-profit healthcare insurance companies in order to cover extra benefits and other care. I was thinking that with elections over we could try to pass a Bismarck model health system as federal law. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 03:42, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

CONFUSING AS **** TIME :D
I ran out of colors but here's something maybe closer to what people would expect.
 * Green Party: Lighterish green/okay support: Southern Kings and Truth Island. Dark Green: East Sylvania and West Kings.
 * Labour Party - Magenta-ish-shit/okay support: South Clymene/Plains. Dark Red: Sofasi/Adoha/Beaverwick/East Hills/TV
 * CNP: Light Blue/Okay support:Middle Sylvania and Greater Noble City area. Dark Blue: Mountains/NC/Seven
 * SLP: Pink/Dark Pink...in Kings explanitory
 * Independents: Weak in charleston and northern Seven/Strong in South Seven and West Sylvania
 * CCPL: ORANGE? YUP! Weak in Hurbanova and light orange and Kings areas dark in rural oceana. Marcus/Michael Villanova 04:09, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh dear :L An interesting map though... Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 04:12, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * acid trip gone wrong? Marcus/Michael Villanova 04:17, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * You forgot me in Northern Clymene, I have loads of support there, especially in Plains. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 07:29, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * We haven't believe me, but like with CDP in Seven you need to focus there for a longer length of time for us to be able to gain pluralities there. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 12:28, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks good. :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:34, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Proposed strongholds
Below is a strong hold map of certain areas in Lovia for the six most represented parties in the 2013 elections. Darker colors = more support, lighter = good support, gray = little to no support.


 * Labour receives support in Clymene, Urban Sylvania, Urban Kings and East Hills region.
 * CCPL receives support in Hurbanova area, Mountains of Sylvania, East Rural Kings, Seven
 * CNP receives support in Sylvania, Seven
 * SLP receives support in Kings, south Oceana (maybe)
 * GP receives support in Truth Island, Kings, East Sylvania
 * PL receives support in (weak) Noble City and (weak) seven. Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:13, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Don't forget that even though the rural districts are big, they're empty. It's all about the towns and cities - if you haven't got support there, you've lost already. --Semyon 18:29, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

True. LP in Asian Island. CCPL receives strong urban support in Hurbanova (stronger in uptown Hurb). SLP in Newhaven and some in Portland. CNP in Noble City and in Seven. GP in Truth Island. And PL weak support in NC. Marcus/Michael Villanova 18:31, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

There's a Sheraldin Family mansion on Adlibitan Island; with the community there being small, it might have some influence. 77topaz (talk) 20:10, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Which one of those islands is it xD prolly would be then, but in the weak influence area becasue of the typically center-right influence in the state. Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:13, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Adlibitan Island's the one in the northwest corner of Seven. 77topaz (talk) 21:58, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

It's just too regionalized. Also, you purposely made the first map complicated by having separate strong and weak colors for each party. What should we do with independents? Technically, they only won one seat IC. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:47, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looking at the current NCO, independents won at least three seats. :P 77topaz (talk) 21:58, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

First map? Which first map? I don't think independents (i think won 1 or 2 or 3 seats) would have large support but some dense support in a region Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:07, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

The one with "CONFUSING AS **** TIME :D". Independents would each win 1 seat in character because their other seats were distributed to parties. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:17, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

True, I guess they wouldn't get much support but what about the indiviual parties? Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:22, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Not sure. We need to decide on a party that most farmers would vote for as they're not all going to vote Green. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:27, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Why do we have to pretend elections are done differently to how they are actually done? it isn't any less democratic and it's nice and simple, I don't see a problem with it. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 21:59, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Because it's more realistic. And these regionalist maps aren't "how they are actually done" either, you know. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:02, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. And I was referring to your idea about how we need to pretend the elections where done differently to the way they are in the constitution. You seem to be trying to lord it over everyone here in these elections Time and honestly I don't like it. It's rather uncooperative and is actually not in line with the laws we set. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 22:04, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hes not refering to the fact this is how elections are done, its done by porportional representation. But this is too show the political strength in certain areas.  Example NC: It shows even or weak support for CNP, PL and LP while being stronger than the other parties. Or Train Village, Labour has strong support, CNP weak and other parties (since there color isn't there) not very well. Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:12, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I know what this is, it's interesting and I love the statistics side of it but I don't think it should become official (even though it's pseudo-official now). I'm referring to how Time wants the voting system to be different to the system we have, we have the system of candidates go up, people vote, candidates get seats assigned. His system is not this system. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 22:15, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I was talk to time not you xD Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:19, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry :L But seriously we probably work by a proportional representation closed or open list system (preferably closed). This would allow for an independent candidate to win an area and be awarded 5 seats without having to invent other ways people voted and inventing candidates. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 22:24, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's not the district system that I dislike, it's the way it's applied. Also, if we do closed list, I fear that everyone will make their own lists so that they can have a better chance of getting into Congress. Open allows you to vote for people on the list, not the parties that are the lists, so I would prefer that. Though, closed has the advantage of not deciding the make up after elections. Also, what system is "mine"? I made a new system of voting with five equal votes instead of three ranked votes, but I don't think that's what you're referring to. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:46, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * The way that you think the elections should run IC (I'm not referring to the five votes system idea you have, that's a fantastic idea). Besides if you agree we run by a list system (although we aren't required to present any list, this should change). And what do you mean when you talk about the district system. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 18:45, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I just mean about which "strongholds" belong to each party with the district system. I think using a list system would be nice but there are too many loopholes with a closed-list system. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:49, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * There are no loopholes in a closed list system. People are presented with the people who will be put into government if they vote for that candidate, so they know who they are voting for. Please, tell me what loopholes you think there are. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 09:29, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't make the Emerald Region of Oceana a labour area. Even though the mines are located there, all the inhabitants are farmers. They would vote either Parti fo Nesavicelost 'Oshenna or CCPL. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:47, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

So farmers should probably vote CCPL? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:03, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I think it'd depnd on their other views, they'd almost certainly vote for parties that are pro-business and/or low land tax though, such as CCPL, CNP, PL, CDP or an independent like Semyon or Bennett who promise to fight for pro-farmer bills in congress. The farmer vote would be split across the nation largely however in Oceana I feel it'd go to CCPL hugely. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 12:10, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Considering the fact that most farmers in Oceana are probably conservative Roman-Catholics, yes, they'd vote CCPL. Though, in other regions I think most famers would vote CNP. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:26, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

More problems:
 * Not enough Labour in cities.
 * Too much SLP in Kings, not enough in other states.
 * Too much CCPL in Oceana, not enough in other states.
 * Independents should not win regions because IC they only won one seat.
 * Remember that gubernatorial elections are based of the results of three or four candidates, not hundreds. There will be many differences.

As I said before, the maps are simply too irrational and regionalized. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:22, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't quite agree. The maps are supposed to give the largest parties in the districts. The rural districts in Oceana would either have CCPL or PNO, nothing else... Agree with the independents though. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 21:29, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I completely disagree about independents, the way that our electoral system works (a proportional list system where you are not required to show the list at any point) means that an independent can win a district and fill the seats they are given with members of other parties or independents. Time this is the problem when I said that you seem to operate by a different electoral system IC, independents can win districts under our system and very easily actually. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 22:32, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * We haven't actually decided that we have a proportional list system, and if we did, the "independent" lists would get more than one seat. I don't see how they can win districts easily at all. Also, I just don't see what the basis of these. I can see some of it. . . but why exactly is Labour so strong in Clymene? SLP in Kings? Because of the gubernatorial elections? We need to have a much bigger discussion and a more in depth investigation into where the votes would be concentrated. And I just don't like the current ones. They don't fit well on the election page and they don't have a key. You just seem to be cranking them out based on what you think makes sense (which I don't think makes sense) and adding them. Districts don't even have a relation to the ballot here. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:43, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's the only system we could possibly be described as using, as we field candidates who win a certain amount of seats that they then give to people.
 * The Independents are simply a candidate with a non-partisan list of people (members from differing parties or simply not from parties at all), so they can win seats and they do (Bennett and Semyon).
 * Labour is strong in Clymene because that area has had Labour based governors (Marcus or Abrahams) without change for a long time also on top of that it's largely agreed that Clymene is leftist leaning.
 * SLP is strong in Kings because that's the only place that it's won (as LDP) places other than Central Sylvania which has now become rather CNP leaning due to a reclining LDP/SLP vote since last year.
 * They fit perfectly on the election page and they don't need a key, go look on the UK 2010 election page, you don't need to have a key when more than two parties are present and especially when the results are going to be explained in the results section.
 * They make really good sense actually, the only person who really disagrees is you.
 * No districts don't have a relation but it's a nice way of showing who had a strong vote in certain places and I and many other users see no problem at all with it.
 * There. Points addressed. Now address my point:
 * Assuming we go with this display, where do you think the SLP should have strength in votes? and answer in terms of geographic areas or districts not vaguely in the sense of states. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 23:03, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Also, when I'm talking about the infobox size, it's not the width that's the problem, but the height. It stretches out the infobox farther than it already is (too long). —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:46, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Again go look at an election page on wikipedia and tell me those infoboxes are short, Time you're being petty with that point. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 23:03, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Passport
We need to do a passport because in Brunant and even Libertas they have, but not here. http://carrington.wikia.com/wiki/Brunanter_passport http://stad.wikia.com/wiki/Libertaans_paspoort Granero (talk) 02:33, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good idea :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:18, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Something I made about a year ago. --Semyon 11:11, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Zaolig Geitefieës!
Happy Goatfeast! --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:33, January 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Haha. Those people are not really Limburgish è. Wabba The I (talk) 10:32, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably not :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:38, January 26, 2013 (UTC)



Maybe these people are, though. :P --Semyon 10:41, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Merry Goat Feast too, Semyon! :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:44, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Let's make these maps then...
Right let's work out then how this will work out for the 2013 elections, not all of the stuff has to be filled in but it'll help me deal with creating realistic results and will help in the future too:


 * State
 * District - parties by share of the vote (no actual share list needed
 * Main jobs and industries - social leaning (conservative, balanced, progressive) - economic leaning (intervention, balanced, liberal) - devolution opinion (centralise, none, devolve, separatist) - other


 * Clymene
 * Greater Adoha -
 * Retail - ? - intervention - ? - ?
 * Lower Asain Island -
 * Farming - ? - ? - devolution - ?
 * Plains and Vicinity -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Rural Truth Island -
 * Farming - conservative - balanced - devolution - Christian
 * Sofasi -
 * Retail, Manufacturing - progressive - intervention - ? - ?
 * Upper Asian Island -
 * Farming - ? - ? - devolution - ?
 * Kings
 * Abby Valley -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Beaverwick -
 * Trade, Fishing - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Cape Donald -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * East Kings -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Greater Newhaven -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Hawke's Wood -
 * Farming - conservative - liberal - devolution - Christian
 * Newhaven -
 * Retail, Manufacturing - progressive - ? - ? - ?
 * Portland -
 * Retail, Farming - balanced - liberal - devolution - ?
 * Southern Marshlands -
 * Farming - conservative - liberal - devolution - ?
 * Westmark -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Oceana
 * Beaver River Mouth -
 * Farming - balanced - intervention - balanced - Christian (more "urban" mentality though)
 * Dien Village -
 * Farming - conservative - intervention - devolution - Christian (poor agricultural grounds, looking for more ways to exploit nature)
 * East Hills -
 * Retail, Mining - balanced - intervention - devolution - Christian (mining population)
 * Hurbanova -
 * Retail, Real Estate, Farming - conservative - intervention - devolution - Christian (aimed at tourism)
 * North Coast -
 * Farming - conservative - liberal - separatist - Christian (looking for ways to expand their businesses, people first, then nature)
 * Northern Wine Region -
 * Farming - conservative - liberal - devolution - Christian (mainly family businesses)
 * Oceana Emeralds -
 * Farming - conservative - intervention - separatist - Christian (small farms, agriculture on small-scale, relatively poor)
 * Overbanken -
 * Manufacturing, Farming - conservative - intervention - devolution - Christian (new neighborhood, probably relatively "mixed")
 * Scotland -
 * Farming - conservative - intervention - devolution - Christian (farmers' community)
 * Slowane -
 * Farming - conservative - intervention - devolution - Christian (farmers' community)
 * Southern Oceana -
 * Farming - conservative - balanced - devolution/separatist - Christian (looking for ways to expand their businesses, people first, then nature, ground is not very suitable for agriculture though)
 * Southern Wine Region -
 * Farming - conservative - balanced - devolution/separatist - Christian (mainly family businesses)
 * Seven
 * British Island -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Callenborough -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Csongur -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Douglas -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Greater Kinley -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Kinley -
 * Retail, Farming - balanced - ? - ? - ?
 * Love Island District -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Northern Cape -
 * Farming - conservative - liberal - ? - Amish
 * Novosevensk -
 * Fishing, Retail - conservative - ? - devolution - Christian
 * Rybachye -
 * Farming - ? - ? - ? - ?
 * Sylvania
 * Charleston -
 * Farming, Trade - balanced - balanced - devolution - debating transportation expansion
 * East Sylvania -
 * Forestry - balanced - balanced - none - none
 * Noble City -
 * Retail, Manufacturing, Trade - progressive - liberal - none - none
 * Noble City Bay Area -
 * Farming, Manufacturing - progressive - liberal - none - none
 * Discovery Island -
 * Farming, Trade - balanced - liberal - devolution - none
 * Stephen Headlands -
 * Farming, Fishing - balanced - balanced - devolution - trouble with environmental regulations
 * Sylvanian Highlands -
 * Mining, Retail - conservative - liberal - devolution - trouble with environmental regulations
 * Train Village -
 * Retail, Farming - progressive - intervention - devolution - in economic crisis
 * Train Village Plains -
 * Farming - balanced - liberal - devolution - none

Discuss
I'm almost finished listing the things but I'm not done yet feel free to start commenting. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 14:21, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

You know, I think we should increase the amount of regions in Sylvania and Clymene. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:27, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's necessary as these are simply ways of dividing up the land into socio-economic areas. They aren't really used politically and I doubt we will use them politically. The only reason I'm using them here is to display the results in a nice easy to understand way. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 14:35, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but especially with Sylvania, the most populous state, we may get too much "averaging" within the regions for it to be very useful. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:41, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it's up to the local governors though. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:29, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

So will mostly undeveloped areas or forested areas (East Sylvania) vote green? Or would they vote Labour, CCPL, CNP, or another? Also, what are you defining liberal as? Economically liberal? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:43, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, now that we have a good look at this, some things don't add up. I hardly doubt people who base their lives off the forest would vote Green. They might vote CNP or CCPL or Labour, we need people to define their parties in relation to these points. Also yes the liberal means economically liberal, it goes intervention (meaning they support government interference and things down that alleyway) - balanced (means that there isn't any idea with a major hold, could be considered centrist) - liberal (means that they are economically liberal and oppose government interference). Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 22:20, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm still trying to see the validity in this. There were only minor problems with the previous map which only showed the election results and was mostly accepted. Were mostly doing this to appease one person. I'mma still look at the previous "party strongholds" map. Marcus/Michael Villanova 23:00, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * While I agree to a degree, I think this is an interesting way of doing things. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 11:52, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that we should all use the same terms and just use progressive and conservative for social/ethical things, and left and right for economic/fiscal things. Liberal is a bad term in general because it is confusing and has different meanings in different parts of the world. Liberal could mean opposing government interference in economy, or libertarian so less government in general, or progressive and economically left. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 23:03, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Left and right have much more differing opinions, liberal economics and interventionism are the same around the world as they are theories, in different countries these are attributed to the left and right differently. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 11:52, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Glad to see Oos helping out, I'm going to try and fill in the other states info a bit. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 11:52, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

National Anthem
Set to the tune of Ode to Joy (Ignore the EU anthem, its the only time frame thats resonable.)

Rise, all ye of Lovia, God may we Thy bounty share. Give us strength to face all danger, And where challenge is, to dare. Guide us, Lord, to wise decision, Ever of Thy grace aware, Oh, let our hearts beat bravely always For this land within Thy care.

Rise, all ye of Lovia, Bringing her your proud acclaim, Grandly echoing through the mountains, Rolling o'er the far flung plain. Roaring in the mighty rivers, Joining in one grand refrain, Ascending to the sunlit heavens, Telling of her honoured name.

-Sunkist- (talk) 00:35, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

How about this for the national anthem :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60cvtxwlJr8  Anyone? Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:51, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

We have already a section, http://nation.wikia.com/wiki/Forum%3AThe_Pub/National_anthem. Granero (talk) 03:53, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I like the last option, and it has beutiful words. Granero (talk) 04:03, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I think that this anthem is the best yet. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 15:25, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Party membership
maybe the wrong time to bring this up amoungst the other things going one, what would be rough figures for Party membership? Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:01, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mmm... In Germany, about 3% of the people is member of a political party I believe (not sourced). So, that would be too little in Lovia. I guess for Labour, 10,000 would work fine :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:52, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

National Democratic Party
I know this may sound a little far-fetched, but I was thinking the impossible, it seems like we have three main centre classical liberal parties in Lovia, Positive Lovia, Conservative Nationalist Party and the Social Liberal Party. We also have Moderate Centrist Party too. I was thinking we have all these parties still here but they are considerd 'state parties', they can all have their own little ideas, while we all are one big national party, the National Democratic Party. (We vote on our chairman, our ideology, and we work together.) Now that more power is going to the states, all of your individual parties would stay the same, controlling the state councils and what not. Then with all the three parties together, we'd take the congress, in which we could secure that power stays with the states. The reason why the right wins, is becuase they are unified and mostly a single party (CCPL) while the center-left while is larger is divided for control over power. Without Yuri, the left has no one to rally around, and will loose again and again to the right. ---Sunkist- (talk) 03:53, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

The NDP that you made is Christian for some reason though... also, those parties have different views on confederacy. SLP doesn't fit in with PL and CNP very well. PL and CNP are both further right, and CNP is more socially conservative. MCP could merge in SLP though I think. I wouldn't call SLP classic liberal either. CNP and PL are pretty close, and SLP and MCP are pretty close, but they wouldn't all fit together. They share different views. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 04:07, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

As does most political parties, reason we have sects and state parties. We have to eventually set aside our bigtory standings and try to come to agreements. I'm going to fix the NDP to be able to fit all of the ideologies, like a massive tent for centrists. ---Sunkist- (talk) 04:11, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Notice
To the person who keeps trying to sign in as me and clicking 'forgotten password,' please desist. It's very irritating. :'( --Semyon 16:58, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * :'( --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:59, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

- They might as well bring an end to the entire monarchy right away :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:03, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

I don't geddit. --Semyon 17:11, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * They say the Dutch queen'll abdicate. They'd better abolish the monarchy :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:15, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't prince Willem become king? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:59, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * He will, on the 30th of April. 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 19:48, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's the day I joined Lovia! Does this imply. . . that I will become the King of the Netherlands eventually? :o —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:02, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Does your name happen to be Willem-Alexander? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:04, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * @TM: Did you really join on the 30th of April 2013? :O 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 20:09, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, 2011. And my name is actually pretty close to Willem. Just needs some, well, translation. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:35, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Second Brunanter Civil War
The Second Brunanter Civil War has began in Brunant. Terrorist Mark White (Wabba The I) has attack the town of Brunantstad! Wabba The I (talk) 17:42, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

oh nooooooooooo! —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:24, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Called off due to the IWO Games. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   18:35, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

That's good. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:58, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Realistically we couldn't have one. It would be a likely to occur as an alcohol-free Onsten feast. HORTON11 : •  19:01, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Firs the page is a project. Than we wille see if it is good or not good. That is the best option, I think. Wabba The I (talk) 19:22, January 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wabba, even if it does happen, it will be delayed until after the IWO Games. :P And it does not have much support. 77topaz (talk) 20:07, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting how a war just can be delayed :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 20:17, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hahaha :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:19, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Nice reference to Onsten though :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:48, January 28, 2013 (UTC)