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nl:Forum:De kroegli:Forum:De Kaffeero:RoWikicity:Cafeneasv:Forum:Krogen Welcome to The Pub! This is the general meeting place in Lovia. Inhabitants can make public announcements, have a friendly chat with some copatriots, or discuss crucial issues in Lovian politics or business. Speeches can also be made at Speakers' Corner. All archives of The Pub can be found here.

Healthcare System!
It's the time to get working on a bill for healthcare! But, unfortunately, I have a predicament here. I don't know how much I should cover percentage wise for the different tax brackets. As said before, it will only cover necessities. If anyone has suggestions for percentage of care that will be paid for by the government health care please comment below. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 16:37, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

HELP!!!!!
HELP ME FELLOW USERS!!!!!! Im using google crome and recently i can't use wikination on that site meanwhile everyother site does work. I can only use internet explorer which is a bumer and edit the site....HELP has this happened to anyone? Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:35, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, it must be your computer. I am using Chrome and everythin is perfectly fine.  Happy65   Talk CNP   08:08, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Same with me. 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 08:25, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

YAY! The people at wikia told me to delete my "cache" idk whut that even is, but i did it and now everything works. Apparently there was a wikia wide problem were the new version of javascrpit messed some stuff up. Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:07, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Labour Election!!!
WHile I can still even use the wiki I'm putting up this poll of the Deputy Labour leadership election. I want everyone to vote and support candidates, the outcome will greatly effect or decide the actual outcome of the election. Support candidates on there background, positions and personality! VOTE!!!

Which labour candidate do you support? Lenka - NPO leader and supporter of strong unions while being center/center-left Robinson - Related to founding Stephen Robinson, socialist and seen as a new look Inouye - Mainstream progressive views and believes in trade union strength

So please vote :D! Thanks Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:41, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

I chose Inyoue, because it's like my views but in Brunant, i'm with SLP (socialist). Hey, you shold join and be in the elections.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 03:35, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Marcus is sometimes active in Brunant; he leads the Social Anarchy Party there. 77topaz (talk) 04:10, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

He's anarchist! It's very exterme, and I'm not so much.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 04:41, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's mainly a joke party Munson, and just like any other political ideology there are sub sets and sub sets within those. IRL i'm not an anarchist, it makes no sense tbh but over there Socialist Anarchy would be somewhere around "guild socialism" which would perfer to see local unions and smaller governments to control and regulate workers lives. Again not my actual views but since we're role playing. Marcus/Michael Villanova 11:06, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well you should run for congress then. I'd doubt you'd get the majority to make all those changes but you could become the voice of small government. HORTON11 : •  17:52, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hugo Chávez
Now Hugo Chávez died on the 5th of March in 2013, Lovia needs to send someone to his funeral or something else. Wabba The I (talk) 15:20, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Foreign Affairs maybe? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:45, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope. That guy was an enemy to democracy and we can't celebrate him. Hopefully there will be a better future for Venezuelans. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:33, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not too familiar with Chavez but in what way was he an enemy of democracy? Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 19:28, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well to start the press isn't free and he made several constitutional changes to change his term length and abolish re-election limits. He'd be what one could call a "democratic dictatorship". HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 21:31, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * which in my opinion isn't technically an infrigment on democracy while you can debate, and i won't stand in the way, of he changes to other policies mainly because I don't know. I do know though he was a last remaining few Socialists. True red blooded socialists. He created a hybrid socialist ideology called "Socialist of the 21st century" which recognizes the private market and its role while being mostly progressive and have strong public influence and works. (regulation, jobs ect.) Kinda like our Labour :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:38, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

He did abolish term limits, which was bad, but the elections were all fair, so I don't think it was that bad. He also pulled a lot of people out of poverty and increases literacy, etc. His work with the national oil company didn't help that much, but it didn't bring ruin to the company or the nation at all. I have a mixed view on him. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:14, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * He wasn't on a par with Gaddhafi or Saddam Hussein, but he was still pretty bad. His elections may have been 'fair', in the sense that he didn't stuff ballot boxes or station men with guns outside ballot stations to tell people how to vote, but there are more subtle ways to do these things. His economic success was due to an overreliance on oil, and he couldn't control inflation. --Semyon 08:05, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Does not matter. We can also just send a message with condolence. Wabba The I (talk) 16:44, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Respect him as another man and human being just as we are, but to send a minister for a funeral would be a bit extreme in my opinion. He supported some terrorist organizations and had a burning hatred for America. He was also quite socialist, a farther left and progressive socialist; he wasn't quite a communist. I say, don't send a minister, and don't celebrate his death either. He should be respected, but not admired or hated. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:48, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Quote
Jhon Lewis --Wabba The I (talk) 16:46, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I have to disagree. World War II ending in 1945 is a fact and Thomas Jefferson being the third president IS a fact. HORTON11 : •  18:07, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Jhon Lewis saying that quote is also a fact. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:03, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Personally I enjoy that quote. Not everything needs to pass through the scientific process. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 20:33, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I like it too, even though I don't agree with it at all. Me stating this is for example also a fact. 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 20:40, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Opinions don't fit in the scientific process but facts do, which is what this quote is against. HORTON11 : •  20:45, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm indifferent about this xD i guess its wrong, but isn't that what the quote is saying in a sense that even things that are right are left open to anyone's own thoughts and ideas. Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:36, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Then again, it's a fact no-one can verify all the facts - or actually, one fact at all without eventually citing a fact which can't be verified. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:44, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well what if there are throusands of publications out there to prove a fact. If you take for example "Obama was the first black President of the US", there are thousands of books, journals, newspaper articles all pointing to that. HORTON11 : •  14:05, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Then it's still possible that all those thousands of books etc. all are lying :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 15:03, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I mean: It is not because someone has nothing against nazies that he was a Nazi. It is not because someone has nothing against racism, that he is a racist. It is not because 99% of the people say something, that the rest also must find that. And if people say "That is difficult!". What is "difficult"? Wabba The I (talk) 15:39, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well that's the same argument all holocaust deniers use, that the 99% (led by Jews) are conspiring to make the world believe it exists. HORTON11 : •  15:44, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's not get into that shifty business shall we. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 16:01, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Shifty?? That's downright horrible. I had a survivor come to my school once, and I was saddened to hear her say that there were many people who denied what she went through ever existed. But you're right, let's not focus on this any more. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:27, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, getting into things about the holocaust generally isn't a good idea especially when you start suggesting certain people believe certain things and start supposing about conspiracies. That is the shifty part. You'd do best not to get hot headed about these things because naivety about the holocaust will be your undoing. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 17:30, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I am not implying that anyone here is an anti-semite. I'm just saying that argument about the 99% is used by disbelievers, just like those who don't believe the moon landing took place, elvis died etc. And well Wabba did bring up Nazis and racism... HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:48, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I truly beg to differ. There are many facts and opinions, but not everything is one or the other. Say, my favorite food is eggs. THAT is both my opinion on food and a fact at the same time. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:51, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not treally. That you like eggs is an opinion, that you SAID you like eggs is a fact.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 03:47, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree with QZ. His favorit food is eggs (fact). QZ likes eggs (fact). But: Eggs are delicious (opinion). --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:14, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Lovian Times Polling in Sylvania
Using the three major parties in the area that can win in polls both settlements and in the countryside most frequently.

Here are some statements that different people make about different political parties. In each case, which party do you think it applies to most - Conservative Nationalists, Labour or the Social Liberals?


 * The kind of society it wants is broadly the kind of society I want...
 * CNP - 46%
 * LAB - 31%
 * SLP - 8%
 * None - 8%
 * Don't Know - 7%


 * It is led by people of real ability...
 * CNP - 50%
 * LAB - 17%
 * SLP - 8%
 * None - 17%
 * Don't Know - 8%


 * Its leaders are prepared to take tough and unpopular decisions...
 * CNP - 23%
 * LAB - 31%
 * SLP - 15%
 * None - 1%
 * Don't Know - 30%


 * It seems to chop and change all the time: you can never be quite sure what it stands for...
 * CNP - 8%
 * LAB - 33%
 * SLP - 8%
 * None - 8%
 * Don't Know - 43%


 * It seems rather old and tired...
 * CNP - 31%
 * LAB - 38%
 * SLP - 1%
 * None - 15%
 * Don't Know - 15%


 * Even if I don't always agree with it, at least its heart is in the right place...
 * CNP - 23%
 * LAB - 8%
 * SLP - 8%
 * None - 23%
 * Don't Know - 38%


 * It seems to have succeeded in moving on and left its past behind it...
 * CNP - 15%
 * LAB - 23%
 * SLP - 23%
 * None - 23%
 * Don't Know - 16%


 * It seems to appeal to one section of society rather than to the whole country...
 * CNP - 17%
 * LAB - 42%
 * SLP - 1%
 * None - 1%
 * Don't Know - 39%

I hope you enjoyed your polling today, I certainly did! :D

Comments
3 people have voted so far! interesting results! :D Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 19:01, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I have mostly voted for my old party, CNP. I agree with them on many issues.  Happy65   Talk CNP   19:11, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'm glad that we are still so close after everything. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 19:12, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, you never did anything wrong, I just wanted a bit of a true lovian politics change. I'm still center-right IRL.  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:31, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 19:42, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Some mixed polling for Labour :D which is mostly good and some bad. I understang the one about appealing to one side. I don't blame it, on the split but since about 3/4 of the party is labour union members who have to appeal to your base, before the split we were more progressive and social democratic when it was 1/2 of the party being union members. Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:58, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I voted objectively (obviously cause CCPL isn't in the voting) and it was very diverse :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:12, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Btw, I still can't vote -- the polls look like they used to before they broke, but when I try to cast, it just reloads the page with a # at the end of it. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 10:54, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * You tried to refresh? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:24, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. And I was about to try to vote at school, but now the polls are closed. Sigh. o_o —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 19:07, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry! but don't worry, there's some more Statewide polling coming soon. :D Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 19:13, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Glad to see the results coming in thick and fast! :D Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 13:27, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Pope
What is Lovian's reaction at Francis I: Wabba The I (talk) 19:44, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * The first Argentinian Pope.
 * The first New World Pope.
 * The first Latin-American Pope.
 * The first Pope with the name "Francis".
 * The first Jesuit Pope.
 * The first Franciscan Pope. (He's not a Franciscan)
 * I think it is a good choice. Latin America is by far the most Catholic continent and it was about time a pope would come from this region. I personally don't think it matters he's specifically Argentinian. I've always admired the Jesuits for their disciplin and I hope pope Francis will be a reformer, who will bring back order in the chaotic Roman Catholic Church. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:23, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Seems like a nice guy. :P About time for a non-European pope too, I think. I suppose we'll have to wait and see how he does, but it looks promising so far. Perhaps the Lovian Government should send an official letter of congratulation? --Semyon 14:10, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good idea :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 14:11, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * My reation: Dirty War. It's not clear what he did but it wasn't nice. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:22, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure those claims were not backed up with any sort of evidence. --Semyon 14:32, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * The whole situation is unclear as to what he did though he was involved (though not as extensively as some would suggest). It's widely known the clergy supported the military regime. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:47, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I doubt that: not protesting against something doesn't mean you support it. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:41, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 16:48, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the fact that they chose someone from Latin America, but otherwise I'm not very enthusiastic. He's another homophobic conservative. I don't see the progress, really. Punarbhava (talk) 08:12, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Progress? You know he's the leader of the Catholic Church, right? It's like saying the leader of an Islamic terrorist group should be a convinced atheist... --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:46, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I was going to say this as well. The Catholic Church doesn't exist to promote or endorse 'progress,' just as the purpose of the International Humanist and Ethical Union isn't to convert people to Christianity. --Semyon 12:17, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Punarbhava, a large consensus among the Christian church is that the Conservative mindset fits better in the church. It's not a complete consensus, but a larger percentage of Christians are conservative than progressive. Also, his political views shouldn't conflict with his role that much. He's a religious leader, not a political leader. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 23:58, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Back


Hi everybody,

It's Happy65. I am writing this to notify you why I haven't been very active recently. The reason is I have been very busy doing lots of other things, and I took a short wikibreak. By tommorow, I will have resumed to full activeness. I will vote on all the congress votes. There's not much else I can say now except that I am back and well.

Oh wait a minute, thanks Pet Eagle! I need to remind you to give us some suggestions on what we should rename the SCP to, shall we keep our christian large aspect, shall we move to center-left. Give us a suggestion today.

And that's about it, surely, I think so, oh yes? Happy65 Out  Happy65   Talk CNP   19:38, March 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome back, Happy! :) 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 06:40, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Keep a separate one-seat SCP, but make the majority either dissolve into other parties (probably not xD), like Labour, SLP, and CNP, or rename it to something centrist, like Centre Democrats. It could be aimed at farmers, perhaps. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 10:47, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Like Happy said before, the party is Social-Democrat and Christian, so it's supposed to be a fusion of both, somewhere in the left/center-left. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:00, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Plus, I wouldn't trust the Centre Democrats after what happened in Brunant. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:03, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have exams too: French, Dutch, Latin, maths, English, history, biology, chemy, fysiology, geography and religion. Wabba The I (talk) 18:02, March 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Personally I think that the party should merge all of the remaining minor Christian parties. For a new name, you could simply use Lovian Christian Party. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 00:02, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think Oos would let that happen. :P 77topaz (talk) 02:39, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oos won't let that happen for practical reasons. QZ left because he thought we are too leftist. RTP is too conservative. Personally, I do not yet see a reason why SCP can't merge into CCPL. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:13, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Haha, that would be hilarious. :D I think it should happen! --Semyon 08:30, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * CCPL lacks the social democratic aspects of SCP. 77topaz (talk) 08:40, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Where does this idea come from? I don't think the parties are very similar either, but more because of the CCPL's social views than their economic views. Nevertheless, we won't know for sure until SCP publish a list of policies. --Semyon 08:53, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Weh :P CCPL is more social-democratic than all parties in the US together :P @Semyon: as far as I've heard, the ethnical policy is rather the same. According to a chat with Happy, SCP is also anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-euthanasia etc. The only difference so far is that SCP is pro-women's voting rights :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:22, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought CCPL supported women voting but not standing for election? :P OK then, in that case they probably are similar enough to merge. --Semyon 20:15, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well Happy must be mistaken, since we are no anti-abortion or anti-gay marriage. We're not just necessarily for though. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 20:40, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Semyon: yes, we're anti passive voting rights :) However, party members can also choose to be anti active voting rights :P
 * @Happy: somewhat similar to CCPL still. We have "optional issues" (a member is free to choose whether or not he or she supports this issue. Any optional deviations are only accepted if they are written down in the text. CCPL) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:25, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

(Reset) I don't see why women shouldn't have voting rights. There are reasons for some things being separated, but both men and women are intelligible enough to vote and run for office...--Quarantine Zone (talk) 01:22, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * There are several Bible texts that are pretty clear to me concerning the position of women: Gen. 1:26,27, Gen. 3:16-19, 1 Petr. 3:1-7, 1 Korinthe 11:3, Spr. 31:12,27, 1 Tim. 2:11-15; 5:8. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:20, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Bible should not influence such things Pierlot McCrooke 17:25, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it should :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:10, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with Pierlot. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:21, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * And this is why we have elections. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 09:31, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Chat anyone?
I'm currently online, if anyone wants to chat. Alternatively, you might want to avoid chat for a while. :P --Semyon 20:47, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Buying a house
Hi, I have recently come to Lovia and would like to buy a house! Do I just do a simple edit on a house that is for sale to put my name on it, or is there a more complicated process? Thank you :) --- Frijoles333

Yes, Just put a simple edit. You are entitled to own up to three houses as a citizen. A user is granted citizenship after 50 useful edits :D. But for now just a simple edit on a FOR SALE house will do :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 18:49, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!!! That is a huge help :) Frijoles333

Television
Hey, I'm new to Lovia and have been working on a media group called Kaboom Media Group. I got the idea of making an information page about television in Lovia (Listing all the channels and popular shows). If there are any channels or other things you would like to suggest just let me know. Check out Kaboom Media Group or Kaboom TV if you're interested in Lovian media, my character is Marcel Cebara Frijoles333 (talk) 14:22, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

National Monument Service
As Marcus has pointed out, I have to appoint the chairman for the National Monument Service. Are there any interested people or shall I just randomly select someone? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:49, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you could just appoint one of your characters if you wanted to. :P 77topaz (talk) 09:45, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Well, that is Plan B :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:12, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Well we do have to new users not in congress :D Punhavarhaahahaha (his user name is odd :P) and Michael Cabera. Pun has been a tad inactive lately but Michael could fill the role if he wanted. Also I pointed out we need someone for the all important NPS position. Marcus/Michael Villanova 12:59, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I believe we should have someone with knowledge on the NMS chairfunction, preferrably someone who's slightly longer with us :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:28, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Of course any labour party members will take any of the positions gladly! Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:43, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

As Oos said, I haven't been here long and don't have much experience, but I would very gladly fill the role if no one else wanted to Frijoles333 (talk) 17:02, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hockey
Hi and sorry bother you! I've just formed a hockey league for Lovia Lovian Hockey League and it would be great if anyone stepped forward to take over or sponsor one of the teams. If you wanted, you could even develop one if the teams. Thank you very much Frijoles333 (talk) 18:19, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am interested. I'll have a better look at it later today when I have some more time :) 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 05:42, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you that's great :) Frijoles333 (talk) 06:59, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe the Sofasi and Bayside teams could be part of Athina Sofasi and Bay Hawks respectively? 77topaz (talk) 08:42, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

TAE would sponsor a team. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 16:13, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hotel Plains is definitely going to sponsor a team. 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 19:12, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Great! Do you have any idea of which team you would like to sponsor Frijoles333 (talk) 06:34, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think I'll sponsor Sofasi Storm :) 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 07:42, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll make the edit now. Frijoles333 (talk) 15:01, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Newspapers
Hi, I'm looking for writers to write short pieces of news for the local sections of the The Daily Sylvanian, The Newhaven Mercury and The Northern Telegraph. This is a good example of what I mean, only of course local news, whereas that template is national. It wouldn't have to be updated more than every few days, especially if there's more than one contributor, and the 'articles' are very short, so hopefully noöne would find it too taxing. :) Governors and Deputies of the respective states, I'm looking at you. :P --Semyon 18:56, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

I asked Semyon if I could occasionally write for the TNCT and he said yes on chat. Note to self.  Happy65   Talk CNP   18:37, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Note to you: indeed. :) --Semyon 18:32, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Anyone else? :P --Semyon 18:32, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oceana's already been served :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:22, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Rating template
Can someone transfer   to Lovia so the "Rating" template can work? For some reason, my computer will only let me save files as .png or .bmp. 77topaz (talk) 00:06, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

We don't have any other .svgs here, so I would advise just saving the 2000px .png on your computer and uploading it. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:08, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

But then, I'd need to edit the template syntax. :P 77topaz (talk) 01:33, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try it: 77topaz (talk) 01:38, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Argh, two more templates that need to be copied. :P 77topaz (talk) 01:39, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Returning
Ok, Now I've certainly been inactive on this wiki for a while, and have said I will return multiple times. I have decided to fully regain activeness on this wiki, as I enjoy it sincerely. The Harvian Islands will too return, and I have also picked up my editing skills editing on some other wikis. I will be actively voting in the Chambers and will be devoting lots of time and effort to the wiki. Nice to see everyone again.  Happy65   Talk CNP   18:33, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Glad to see you back :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:38, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:17, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back :) Hopefully you will stay active this time :) 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 13:34, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

A question to the community: I'm not very sure about scp, should we de-form it and move back before it's existance?  Happy65   Talk CNP   09:52, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

yes (my capital y is not working), I think that would be good. Keep a one or two member party that supports very modern views like the party with a similar name in Switzerland, and change the Maples back to the number they had before SCP formed (were two, then six, then four, go back to two). no (capital n isn't working either) more than two people with the same last name if possible. Also, I just think the people in the party would fit best elsewhere, and the ideology doesn't fit with the name. Preferably it would be put back to the way it was in early February. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 19:24, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Election notice
Just to let anyone know, elections are being held in Brunant, starting tomorrow. (Semyon if you want to add this to your newspapers feel free). HORTON11 : •  15:57, April 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think I am gonna win with Stanton. Wabba The I (talk) 17:38, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * You never know. Plus, you have Oos in your party, and he is an experienced politician. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:43, April 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * He is word class. WORLD HERITAGE SITE OOS WES ILAVA. Wabba The I (talk) 18:09, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

These shouldn't be happening in my vision of Brunant. :( —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 19:20, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

YEah, it should suscribe under the "One Model" nation where major thinggs like government and politics are sorta secondary and in turncontrolled by one or two people. Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:38, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

It was but than other users came and it changed in a country with politics on the first place. Everybody wants to be mayor or senator or president or ... Wabba The I (talk) 09:00, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

IWO trade
I'm hoping to hold an IWO debate on resolving IWO trade. Check this page out; I just added a little blurb, so tell me what you guys think. (We could do actual in-character discussions like in real meetings). HORTON11 : •  17:38, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Libertas becoming a full member of the IWO
In the Second Chamber we all voted. We have already 45% pro. I just need some more votes. Please! I need your support!!!! Wabba The I (talk) 17:50, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't the voting have ended already? I thought bills could only be voted on for two weeks? 77topaz (talk) 20:24, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

The law says the proposer can lengthen the voting period if they wish - as and Wabba is asking for more votes, that implies he does wish. It doesn't say that he has to make it explicit. :) --Semyon 20:31, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

It is now passed with a 51% majority at least as QZ did not specify the number of pro votes. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:13, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Now we need to edit pages. For decleration in Dutch: see here. Wabba The I (talk) 11:14, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wabba, Brunant hasn't yet voted, so Libertas still isn't a member of IWO yet. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:03, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * When is that vote? Wabba The I (talk) 14:11, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * It would be after the elections. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:20, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * When you are gonna vote in those elections? Wabba The I (talk) 14:25, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Soon. I like to take my time in voting. BTW, do you think we should do some football friendlies between Libertas, Brunant, Lovia etc? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:32, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Soon. First Brunanter elections, Libertan royal house, Libertas becoming full member of IWO, fix up the football team page of Brunant ... Wabba The I (talk) 14:39, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

We need to outdo them.
Challenge accepted, Norway. :P --Semyon 07:48, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

and Wales :P i think we need one of these. Perhaps a pig? :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 12:44, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well we have no military yet. If we were to do this in Brunant, we'd need a couple of lions and a dragon, sine they're the animals on the coat of arms. HORTON11 : •  14:33, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we could have an army of Pigs, Goats and Penguins :D I'd vote pro :P And it would finally give something Joshua Katz to do Marcus/Michael Villanova 14:58, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

A worrysome issue
See this and this. I find it troubling that Mäöres, a member of the IWO, would actively provide arms to a dictatorial regime. This sudden escalation of events needs to be discussed and acted on. HORTON11 : •  14:47, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not at all, wouldn't you intervene if rebels were taking over Lovia? Isn't that exactly what was UNLOR about in the Civil War? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:08, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Are rebels taking over Tagog? No. So there is no need to provide arms to a government. And UNLOR was a UN mission; no wikination provided Lovia with arms. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:37, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * The president has been elected via democratic elections time by time. This illegal oposition which is trying to excercise power of the country should be stopped. If Tagog does not have the weapons to do that; it is our tasks as peace-loving country to provide them with weapons, how contradictive that might sound. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:43, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not democratic if you get banned for disagreeing with the president and if the opposition is systematically assassinated. And if the opposition is declared as "illegal", then it would contradict the whole purpose of democracy. The whole deal about the opposition rising up is a bunch of lies invented by the government; there is no proof to that and the only thing those members are doing it trying to protect themselves from the next state-sponsored hitman to come along. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:53, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Having signed the IWO charter to uphold the valued of democracy, it is our duty to proctect the lives of people advocating for it. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:55, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I couldn't disagree more... They've erected a "Shadow Parliament".. In Mäöres that would result in imprisonment; in Lovia too... --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:58, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Given that the opposition is given no involvement whatsoever in government affairs, I fully support the Shadow Parliament. And I don't know what you fear in them, as they have no power or influence at all. BTW, by saying "I couldn't disagree more", are you disagreeing with the IWO's stance on democracy? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:04, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * As I said, they shouldn't've voted for him as a nation then. The majority still supports him. And no, cuz IWO has no official definition of democracy. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:30, April 26, 2013 (UTC)\
 * ==Taking over==

Coup
I am Ygo August Donia, leader of the Donia Clan, Lord of Donia Castle, Ruler of the Emerald Highlands and commander of the Brigade, which I have regrouped, equipped and trained over the course of last year. Hailing from an old noble family, which roots are far more worthy of the throne then Dmitri and his lazy, worthless relatives, I wish to bestow upon myself the crown of this nation.

I do not wish to rule the nation, I do not wish to act as a dictator nor to become the acting Head of State in any other way then a purely symbolical one. To be a King who unites the people rather then to devide them. To be a uniting force, a driving force, encouraging the development of better relationships between the many groups and people of this beautiful country I so love.

There will be no bloodshed, for this coup is a peaceful one. Our King can retire and step aside, for me to be crowned in Noble City on the 30th of October, along with my good friend William-Alexander. If he does not we will escort him from his palace, and burn it to the ground. Long live Lovia! Long may she live and flourish! The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 16:17, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice try though :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:20, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing is happening so why not do something exciting? It's so... dull... plus who is gonna stop me? Not like we got an army. You guys learned nothing from the Civil War. Ha! Don't question my authority. I'll promote regional values and safeguard the culture of Oceana, Oos. You with me? The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 16:23, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can we get the State Laws back then? :o --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:32, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why of course, my dear! I'm all for State Laws and more de-centralization. No complete autonomy but more then we have now, definetely. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 16:41, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Heh, interesting but we do now have a 800 around police force with actual training requirements, they'll not back down I don't think. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 17:33, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * And I've also just realised that that number (800 police) is actually quadruple what it was two years ago (the Lovian civil war). Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 18:03, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Then me and about 80 of my brave comrades and brothers-in-arms will either win, or go down in a blaze of glory. It's all or nothing now. This is our time to shine, for the clan, the nation, and our people's future. One for the ages! The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 18:05, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Haven't you and your characters died like 5 times already xD can't you just stay that way :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:31, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Some of them died, some of them survived. It ain't over till it's over, Mikey Mike. Another one bites the dust. Who wants to live forever. Boom chakalaka. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 21:26, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * lol xD maybe you could all be reainimated into one super nationalistic army to overthrow the government. I'd even join ;p Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:33, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

With the Tagog situation ongoing, I don't think we have any time for this. :P 77topaz (talk) 21:34, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not fully understanding what happening there tbh, but i'd like to know so I don't gotta deal with domestic terrorists :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:37, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

There's a dictatorship led by 4kant, and then there's the Resistance against it; Maores supports the regime but I don't think anyone else does. :P Plus, there's Burenia's threat of invading Lovia over some remark Happy65 apparently made in a chat. :P 77topaz (talk) 21:40, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and the regime attempted to assassinate the opposition leaders, who have now left Tagog for personal safety reasons. :P 77topaz (talk) 21:44, April 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I will attack whoever is against me, and support whoever is with me. I will not fight unless provoked. I will not lay down my arms. And Marcus, I hardly have a "gigantic army". It's still the same old Brigade with some new recruits. Feel free to join! The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 21:52, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Quite complicated I see xD Burenia was wiki is that even xD Im too lost with all these ikinations. Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:30, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is Burenia. This is Tagog. This is a list of all known wikinations. 77topaz (talk) 00:27, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

@77topaz: wrong, wrong, wrong :P How could you forget Reptin? :o They also support Qyto's reign :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:45, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

The Southern Cross Alliance will be prepared at the peaks of the Emerald Mountains, and trenched in at were the Sylvanian Plains and Stephen Headlands meet. We will always have the Lovian standard flying high over Charleston. ---Sunkist- (talk) 09:53, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought you guys wanted your own state :P This is your chance I'd say :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:56, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * We want our own state, not our own nation! We love Lovia in Western Sylvania! -Sunkist- (talk) 10:01, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but with a new king, you might get your own state :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:06, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * @TMV: Anyway, didn't you retire from Lovia a few months ago? :P
 * @Oos: Hadn't Reptin been abandoned? Are they even members of the IWO? :P 77topaz (talk) 10:56, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Aren't all these militas illegal under the law anyway? How are these even legal? Marcus/Michael Villanova 11:43, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Read the law, militias are illegal. These are hunting organisations. Besides the Police can handle it. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 13:19, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Reptin: Yes, associate member :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:01, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see the arresting of a Pro-Lovian group that fought to defend Lovia in the Civil War and continues to defend against rebels. But you know, we are evil. -Sunkist- (talk) 21:56, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * I, too, fought for my country in the Civil War, as did my Brigade, my brothers and sisters in arms, brave men and women who stood for what they believed in. Who fought and died for it. Some even went to jail for it, still are in. Now new recruits have joined our ranks, our forces strengthened, supplied by me with more weaponry to do what is right. To fight for what is right, and to stand tall and proud of being Lovian. You can take your Southern Cross, my dear boy, and take it where the sun don't shine. And leave the fighting to the REAL men. War is no place for the likes of you. The battlefield far from the playground you belong. And if you believe otherwise, by all means, show yourself and prove your worth. Prove it, in the face of our fury. As you face the one true King of Lovia. A cause worth fighting for, and one well worth dying for. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 04:40, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm glad you've arranged for a queen then :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:51, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * A Burenian queen, perhaps? Or one from good ol' Tagog? Strengthening ties between nations, never a bad thing. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 15:22, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure Burenia and Tagog are republics. :P 77topaz (talk) 20:49, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, the humanity!
This must be the worst political situation that has befallen Lovia, and probably the rest of the IWO as well, since the Lovian Civil War. :( Firstly, there's the Tagog issue, which is dividing the IWO and probably costing innocent lives. Then, there's Burenia's threats of invading Lovia over a small statement made by one user. And finally, there's Donia, who's threatening to wage military action on Noble City and possibly plunge the whole country into a second civil war.

Have I missed anything out? :P 77topaz (talk) 08:30, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, you have. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 08:37, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Does Mäöres's Landjszaal inactivity count? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:52, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * @TMV: Thanks for the support. :P 4kant might just block you on Tagog though. :P
 * @Oos: When compared to all the other crisises going around, not really, though it is something that should be fixed. 77topaz (talk) 10:48, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hahaha :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:56, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what to do. xD —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:55, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ask the North Koreans for assistance :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 13:59, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

@77topaz: it's no big deal, Tagog won't invade, there'll just be more repression of innocent civilians. Burenia won't invade either, since Kob will ally with any opponent of the sakari Burenii. :P Lastly, we have a specially unit trained to deal with psychiatric cases which we can deploy if the Brigade tries any tricks. --Semyon 14:49, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Tricks are for magicians and girls, we do not play games. We say what we do, and do what we say. We give out ultimatums, and they are as clear as they are strict. There is no way to misinterpret them. My army and my family will never fail to support me. Before the end of April, I will sit on my throne. Dimitri has done a good job in keeping it warm for my royal ass. One far more deserving to occupy it. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 14:56, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * For your information and consideration, my friends. After Tagog, Burenia too has been contacted. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 15:22, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Poll
Who would you rather have as Lovian monarch? Dimitri Noble Ygo August Donia Other None of the above - I'm a republican

--Semyon 17:34, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

No matter with how many accounts and from how many computers Dimitri logs in to vote for himself on this pathetic little poll, I am currently marching on to Noble City, supported by military leaders from two seperate wikinations and several people within the capital. I am marching onto Noble City and either our lazy, worthless and inactive King, who lives on our taxpayer's money and does absolutely nothing, leaves the palace by his free will... or he will be kicked out. Not a hair on his precious royal head will be hurt but he will be booted out. He can do so by his own free will or I'll help him a little. My ultimatum was very clear. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 20:47, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

I doubt Dimitri is going to log in and vote for himself - he hasn't been active on the site these past few weeks. He might not even have noticed the whole situation yet. :P 77topaz (talk) 04:00, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

A word from your new king
My ultimatum was loud and clear. Impossible not to understand. May the First, I said. So May the First it is. A day that will go down in history as the last of King Dimitri's reign, and the first of King Ygo's. So here, my good citizens, is a word from your king. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 21:14, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Chat
If anyone wants to come on chat, TMV and I are currently online. :) --Semyon 22:18, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

About this conflict
In case anyone wasn't aware, if a user creates a situation then you don't have to accept it, you can challenge it and get it wiped out of history. For both IC and OOC reasons this 'march on the Palace' can't be happening. OOC we had a civil war two years ago and I'm personally unwilling to see that sort of destruction again, as I hope most users are. IC it's ridiculous that a loony cyclops whose illegal 'militia' was crushed two years ago and which has had to (allegedly) 'rebuild' in secret can be posing any sort of challenge to a highly trained and numerically superior police force. As you might have realised by now, I'm rather fed up. --Semyon 15:17, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's reported in Newspapers already. It has happened. It is happening. And I will most likely lose, if it's any comfort, before it can turn into a civil war. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 15:22, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not actually an issue, as the articles in question could simply be removed - though I don't think that's a good idea, I'd prefer to have a quick and bloodless surrender. --Semyon 15:40, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * We had a Civil War before that is true. And another one would be a shame but I don't see that happening at all. This "loony cyclops" had his army locked up, yes. He is, however, also a man of power and influence who was in many parliaments, who was once the Prime Minister. Who owns a castle and heads a clan. Who started a private army, years ago. And has since been rebuilding it. It is not that large a force, anyway. If anything my 60 Brigadiers is a lot more reasonable and realistic then the 500(!) hunters says he is sending to Noble City as back-up for the Police Force. That being said, this battle is one we will likely lose. But it will only end without bloodshed if Dimitri leaves that Palace. I will not surrender, quickly nor bloodlessly, unless the King leaves his Palace, and the Police Force and I somehow come to an agreement. And the battle has already begun. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 15:57, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest to wait on the referendum results or a vote in the Second Chamber before doing anything stupid. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:06, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Kunarian decided to fire at me, thus effectively starting the battle already. Then we both had some reinforcements coming in, him of course having more men at his command. In all likelihood I have lost the battle by now, or am currently losing it. Dimitri, if he has any common sense, would have fled the palace to safety somewhere in Noble City. I am however not the King because with all the police around the Palace, I am unable to hold on to it or stay in it for long. We are basically a republic now. Until further notice or word from the King (him remaining to stay) or the Public (wishing to remain a monarchy). The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 18:18, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dimitri doesn't cease to be king when he leaves the palace. --Semyon 18:34, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * It is merely a step in a larger process for him to at least leave the Palace until the situation is more stable and certain. But, realistically speaking, I cannot take over the Palace as it is now because the Police Force would first have to take a step down and allow me to enter the Palace. And we should ceaze all hositilities on both sides. See? I can be a bit of a realist too, sometimes. Frankly, I don't see the Police Force taking it down a notch any time soon, but the least we could do is negotiate. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 18:56, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

More about this conflict
Hello Lovians, I am Marcel Cebara. I know that I am not the most active user, and not very high in Lovian society, but as a Lovian citizen, I feel that Lovia deserves a stable government. That is why I propose that measures are put in place that will prevent future coups, and situations like this, without infringing on human rights. I propose that Lovians work together and co-operate to achieve democracy and campaign for fair and stable government. This conflict needs to be put to rest as soon as possible. I hope that this situation can end quickly and peacefully Frijoles333 (talk) 19:09, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * With the King having fled the palace, the palace is currently empty. There has been fighting and there are casualties, but hostilities at this point have largely ceazed. The situation is at a standstill. There is still unrest in Noble City, there is fighting in the streets though on a small scale. The police is stationed outside the palace making it hard for me to enter again, thet fought off the assault but Dimitri left and found refuge somewhere else in the capital. I am, at this point, willing to negotiate on the next step to take. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 19:13, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

What is this "next step" that you are proposing? Frijoles333 (talk) 19:22, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I am not in support of your overthrowing of the Lovian monarchy Frijoles333 (talk) 19:24, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would like King Dimitri I of Lovia to renounce all claims to the throne and formally step down. If only for the time being. I wish for myself to be pardoned of any crimes committed or any laws broken during my march on the capital and any subsequent fighting. When this pardon is granted I will leave the city, dismiss my Brigadiers and let the politicians decide on how to handle the situation - who should be king, who should not be, or whether we should just become a republic. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 19:28, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Southern Cross Alliance
The Southern Cross Alliance, having already organised several days ago has now deployed deeper into the Emerald Highlands, reading to breach the Donia Castle. Alexander Charles Bennett, the Charleston Federal Police and Charleston Fire Department and a large array of farmers and citizens, its banners will include that of the Lovian standard, the Western Sylvanian and Southern Cross flags. We hope that when the Donia clan returns to his beloved castle, that he lay down his weapons and that of his armies to that of the people of Western Sylvania and the people of Lovia. -Sunkist- (talk) 22:29, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * For the love my family, the clan, our honour and the well-being of my children, I, Ygo August Donia, head of the Donia Clan, leader and patriarch of the family and lord of Donia Castle, hereby surrender myself and all the Brigadiers that are with me, into the hands of the Southern Cross Alliance. On the condition that not a single hair on the heads of my family be hurt, and not a single brick touched. We lay down our arms. And we surrender. We played this game, and we lost. Now we are at your mercy. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 22:42, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * You may have surrendered to the SCA but it's to Lovia you will answer, you are under arrest and all your surviving brigadiers and seeming as you were in Noble City and surrounded, Dimitri Kalinnikov himself will be putting the cuffs on. This is a victory for Lovia. The LLA and SCA will stand down immediately or be considered a seperate coup against the government. Any resistance by the SCA or any other party to hand over Brigadiers or those who assisted Donia in his coup will be arrested or following further resistance pacified. The Federal Police will now begin rounding up all those guilty of this coup. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 07:11, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thing is, a bunch of mad hunters has me in their custody now. You'll have to either negotiate with them, or retrieve me by force. And the entire city was not surrounded, most police officers were located near the palace, I made a run for it and since the newspapers reported me missing, my location unknown, I am sure I would have been able to make a run for it. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 08:39, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Considering they are on one side of Sylvania and you were on the other and that the FP AND the LLA had positions surrounding the city as well as your troops, no Donia is not in the custody of the SCA and all the brigadiers and accomplishes as well as Donia himself are under arrest in Noble City. Your family and highland troops however are in the hands, currently at least, of the SCA. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 10:47, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you do me a massive favour then and send Police Officers to secure the castle and proetct my family, for the time being? I rather not have my home raided by an illegal organization of hunters. The bastard even threatened to destroy the castle and harm my family, including the children. While I am locked away, send some men after those hunters. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 11:20, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

TMV has said in chat that he thinks we should create an article on the crisis, but I'm worried that that might trigger an edit war, because of everyone having different positions in the matter. What does everyone else think? 77topaz (talk) 23:11, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * An article should be created, and it should be called "Donia Coup of 2013". It should document the events and state how order was restored (currently happening). If people have iffys over it, it should be put in the talk page. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 07:14, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it should be created sooner rather than later Frijoles333 (talk) 16:39, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay. But when can Jhon Lewis and his family back move to King's Garden in our house there? Wabba The I (talk) 16:48, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

The Southern Cross Alliance has aquired the following, five of Donia's guardsmen and his family, all of whom have been taken back to Charleston, the five watchdogs will be put on trial. It appears that Ygo, went against his word and began to slander the Southern Cross Alliance, in all justice we decided to destroy the Donia Castle, every tower and wall was destroyed over the course of last night. The SCA has now returned to Charleston and the Stephen Headlands, where all of its memebers have taken their arms home, disbanding the Southern Cross Alliances militant arm. We will hold the five members to a trial in Charleston, and we ask for someone to come and defend them in the court of law, if not best to have Ygo come and explain WHY he did such things and if he and his men are guility of such things. -Sunkist- (talk) 17:39, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no court in western Sylvania. The guardsmen and the family will be brought to Noble City, his family will be considered only suspects as we cannot say how far they were involved in the coup. I do not agree with the slander placed against your group, as they are simply patriotic men defending their families and land. However... the Donia castle... shame on those in the SCA who damaged it, the castle was not only a unique and culturally significant part of Sylvania but also private property. I will petition for its full repair to Congress. Those involved in the attack on the property will be arrested and prosecuted by the lawyers of the FP to the fullest extent. While I am sure that this attack on the Castle was done by a few who were irresponsible and violent, they will not escape judgement because the SCA served Lovia. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 18:23, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * The guardsmen and family are staying in Charleston. The people of Western Sylvania and Charleston  with unanimous direct democracy appointed Charles Alexander Bennett as Justice of the Courts of Western Sylvania. We destroyed the property with reasonable demolition, not damaging any of the surrounding beauty, in our right we demolished the building trying to destroy any remaining arsenal of the Donia Clan, and possible booby traps, it was seen a domestic threat and was handled quickly of. After the trials of the five guardsmen, I Charles Alexander Bennett will stand in court in Eastern Sylvania. And if we seek to rebuild on the site, I hope to see a beautiful Civil War memorial on that mountain then see a castle that represents oppression and traitors be rebuilt. -Sunkist- (talk) 19:03, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Federal Police will arrive in force to claim both the Donia and the Brigadiers as well as the leaders of the SCA and those involved in the attempted demolition of the Donia Castle. You are not to make judgements that the Federal Police are to make. Stand down and Charles need not be arrested. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 19:32, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't believe the Federal Police are to make any judgements, I believe that up to the people, and the people responsible for these five mens capture was done by the people of Western Sylvania. -Sunkist- (talk) 19:35, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * What you are sponsoring is not the people making judgements, they did that at the elections. You are sponsoring mob rule. You cannot go around doing as you please because a few people support you. Charles Alexander Bennett will be under arrest and face trial in Noble City. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 19:41, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * The elections are mob rule aswell..you have a mob that elects people to represent the ideas of the total mob. I CAN go around doing what is in the name of the law of the people I represent, and I never disagreed to having a trial in Noble City, I only agreeded I'd do it after I was done with the five men. -Sunkist- (talk) 19:44, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hardly, I don't see CCPL doing what you are or Labour or SLP, the Greens, CNP, Positive Lovia or Semyon. You are not the be all and end all once you are elected to Congress. And you'll do nothing with the five men, that is not your job. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 19:59, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I find it funny that you compare me to politicans of political parties, I'm not of any political party, becuase I do not represent them, I represent the people. I've already begun the trial in Charleston, thus please send a non-bias represenative to defend him in the court of the 'The People v. The Donia Clan.'. -Sunkist- (talk) 20:05, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * So it is alright to power monger if you aren't part of a political party? and you hardly represent the people if you are going against the government which was elected by the people. You may continue with the trial until the Federal Police arrive, then the phony trial will end. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 20:24, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

So is this whole conflict over now then? Frijoles333 (talk) 19:29, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, Sunkist has started another. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 19:32, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am so done with these Southern Crossdressing Allies. Harming cultural heritage and endangering the lives of civilians, just for the sake of "serving the people" when they represent nobody but themselves... pathetic. Can we please end this travesty, put the treacherous bastards behind bars and move on to matters of actual importance, such as State Reform and the repair of Donia Castle? The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 20:34, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Bill Format
I just want to try make it easier for whomever controls the Congressional Journal. We should format bills to show, proposed by whom and on what date. Thus it would be like this. THE 15th CONGRESS OF THE KINGDOM OF LOVIA

Second Chamber 

<p style="text-align:center;">BILL NAME & NUMBER

<p style="text-align:center;">May 4th, 2013 

<p style="text-align:center;">PROPOSAL BY: Charles Alexander Bennett  (Sponsored by: John, Paul, Ringo, George)

<p style="text-align:center;">A BILL

<p style="text-align:center;">((Bill summary, and will provide important points of the bill and what the main goal of the bill will be.))

<p style="text-align:center;">Be it enacted by the Second Chamber of the Kingdom of Lovia in the Congress assembled

-Sunkist- (talk) 19:13, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Article One
 * Section 1.
 * Section 2.
 * Section 3.
 * Article Two
 * Section 1.
 * Section 2.
 * Section 3.
 * Section 4.
 * PErhaps it would be easier to just drop the Congressional Journal all together :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:22, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think its good we have an easy too read public record of the Congress and its votings. -Sunkist- (talk) 19:23, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I make my own titles for acts similar to this but not like this. When they are passed of course the top gets chopped off. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 20:10, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Trials
When will/should the Supreme Court Trials of Donia, the Brigade and the SCA be held? 77topaz (talk) 20:10, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably not :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:12, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

If no one presses charges, there won't be one, yeah. But you can press them. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 11:06, May 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like I did pretty well for myself, then. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 15:57, May 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Haha. Yes there aren't trials for this. What is SCA?


 * Sorry. I forgot my sign. Wabba The I (talk) 17:00, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * SCA is the Southern Cross Alliance, who vandalised Donia Castle, kidnapped numerous Donia Clan members, harboured fugitives and illegally started a "trial". :P 77topaz (talk) 20:16, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile all I did was attempt a failed coup, drive the king out of his palace and become a playball in the political games a group of egotastical mentally challenged hunters with illusions of grandeur. What a crazy trip it's been! The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 22:10, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * You also solicited help from nations such as Burenia and Tagog, increasing the risk of possible invasions and civil wars, though. :P 77topaz (talk) 03:43, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Pfff, details! Nobody remembers that. Live and let live, right? The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 09:18, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Some people almost died, though. :P 77topaz (talk) 09:54, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe some people even actually died. Like some Brigadiers, maybe a police officer or two? I wouldn't know, no one has even bothered to write an article, it's only been reported on articles, talk pages and the Newspapers. Someone uninvolved\neutral should do it sooner or later, so you have all the facts in one page. Makes the trials easier so it's not a "did not! did so!" story of my words against the Southern Creep Alliance, Kunarian and the Police vs the Brigade and so forth. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 10:22, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

I might make it Friday or this weekend. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 10:54, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

You said on Wikistad Oos will become "Duke of Oceana" if you are the new King. Wabba The I (talk) 16:27, May 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I did, Wabba. And don't get me wrong, if I become king he will be the new Duke of Oceana. If anyone will be the duke, it should be Oos. He is by far the most duke-ish of us all. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 19:40, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I still wanna be the duke :'( --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:47, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

So, does anyone want to press charges? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:31, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Btw, please don't feel bad about causing drama. It makes activity. :D —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:32, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * True :P Though it would be in conflict with my "neutral" position as PM to press charges myself :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 03:12, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Would it actually be legal for f.e. Donia to press charges agaisnt the SCA for vandalising his castle, considering his own legal status because of the coup? The Federal Police was also forced to intervene in the exploits of Donia and the SCA, so maybe they'd want to press charges; could they? 77topaz (talk) 04:04, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know of any laws blocking inmates or accused from pressing charges :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:02, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am definetely pressing charges against those bastards for attempting to destroy my castle, I demand them to repay and rebuild all the damage done and be punished for their respectless treatment of Lovian cultural heritage. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 17:10, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Chat
If anyone wants to chat, I am online right now. 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 18:34, May 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Still?? Wabba The I (talk) 16:13, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * He wouldn't be on chat for three days straight, I don't think. :P 77topaz (talk) 01:18, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I don't know how about you, Wabba, but I am not on chat for three days straight :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 15:11, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

I'm still here
Hello all! I'm sure many of you noticed my recent inactivity. This has been due to an array of activities (track, boyscouts, robotics, youth group, small group, church, practicing 4 instruments, percussion lessons, and of course school with finals and projects closing in here). My inactivity may continue for a little while, but hopefully within the next few weeks I'll be back to editing. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:17, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, hope to see you back then :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 03:11, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * See you when it dies down QZ, it'll be good to have you back after all this. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 10:09, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * As a classmate, I can confirm this. Except -- "small group"? Anyway, you missed a debacle with Donia (The Master's Voice) where he tried to become King. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:54, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Time small group is similar to youth group but with less people. It's on Saturdays. Ah, I'll have to catch up on things and try to get the healthcare bill going as well as a new proposal I've been thinking of. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 00:48, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Tricium
There is an island, far, far in the Atlantic Ocean. It is called Tricium. It does not has its own wiki but it will be create soon. The island is splitted into four Districts. The first three users who says something about this message can be one of the Ministerso of the Districts. I am the fourth Minister. The Districts have the same natural sources, square, etc. The Ministers can do everything in their District what they want to do. Maybe we can split it into five or six if many users want it but I don't know. Wabba The I (talk) 16:04, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit sceptic about the timing Wabba. Currently most of wikis are slightly inactive :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:40, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Same here, however if you do what I do and contribute to Lovia while building up your wiki on the side then that'd be a good way of doing things. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 16:41, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Wabba The I (talk) 16:47, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * What part? Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 17:06, May 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * The last part. I'am working very hard on Wikistad but I want some new things. Wabba The I (talk) 09:58, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Lovian Times Polling 17-18 May
Elections
 * If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a major vote to?
 * 8 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 2 - Social Christian Party
 * 2 - Social Liberal Party
 * 2 - Green Party
 * 2 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 3 - Labour Party
 * 0 - Other


 * If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a minor vote to?
 * 3 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 1 - Social Christian Party
 * 1 - Social Liberal Party
 * 3 - Green Party
 * 5 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 6 - Labour Party
 * 0 - Other


 * If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a support vote to?
 * 1 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 1 - Social Christian Party
 * 4 - Social Liberal Party
 * 1 - Green Party
 * 6 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 4 - Labour Party
 * 2 - Other

Approval
 * Do you approve or disapprove of the Government's record to date?
 * 6 - Approve
 * 8 - Disapprove
 * 5 - Don't Know

Comments
Feel free to comment! Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 17:34, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

I think an additional rule should be added saying that in these polls you can only say you support Party X in one of the three tiers. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:28, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't know how you could do that :P Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 20:35, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * It'd be an honor system. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:56, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Also, please undo Social Christian Party and go back to Labour/CNP, Horton and Happy. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:29, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm fine for them to continue as long as they define themselves more. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 20:30, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

These polls are closing at 3 o clock GMT today. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 08:35, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * polls are closed. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 13:58, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bwahaha, I changed them anyway... >:) --Quarantine Zone (talk) 01:30, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * NO! :L Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 09:12, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Train Village Town Council Elections
This is going to be a test of how well this will work. It will be done completely legitimately and the elections will be held soon.

LINK TO ELECTION PAGE : User:Kunarian/Local Elections


 * Train Village Town Council
 * Limit of Power
 * Can decide where spending is made within the Plains area and advise the Governor to take actions within the Plains area
 * Election
 * Seats up for grabs
 * 10 seats
 * Standing for election (over a period of one week)
 * Any User may put forwards their own candidate list (same working as federal elections however Users main character doesn't have to take a place in the Council)
 * However this user must have resided within Sylvania for the past two months
 * Voting (over a period of one week)
 * Amount of votes given
 * You get a major vote, minor vote and support vote if you have had an official house in the electoral area for the past two months
 * You get a minor vote and support vote if you have had an official house in Sylvania for the past two months
 * You get a support vote if you are a Lovian Citizen
 * How you may vote
 * You may vote for any candidate only once
 * You may vote for any party only once as part of that
 * You may choose to not use all of your votes or not vote at all
 * Devolved Taxation
 * Currently not really possible, working towards it
 * Devolved Funding
 * Will be a reasonable percentage of funds raised at a state level
 * Voting on Projects
 * A proposal can be made by any residing within the Plains or on the Council
 * The proposal enters a debate period of one week where it may be changed and altered
 * The proposal after this period enters a voting period of one week
 * After the week, votes are counted and the proposal is either passed or declined

There's a bit from my State Plan that should give you details on how it will all work. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 12:10, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

I like this. Way to go :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:11, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 22:46, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Why not try this in the Noble City, clave rock and charleston areas. Create a third level of devolution. Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:13, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a plan, however I want to see if these are successful before I go and devolve right down completely. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 22:46, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * When are the elections? Marcus/Michael Villanova 23:25, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to start them either today or tomorrow. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 08:55, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not saying anything for definite, but how does one declare candidacy? Also, can any resident of Sylvania vote or just those of Train Village Frijoles333 (talk) 17:23, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * You'll be able to declare candidacy on a page that I'll make for local elections in Sylvania (of which I'll post a link here). Any resident of Lovia can vote, you just have a weighed vote on how close to the local area you are. This is done so that we don't have just two people who reside within Train Village standing and voting. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 20:12, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Lovian Times Polling 22-23 May
Elections
 * 22-23 May 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a major vote to?
 * 9 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 3 - Social Christian Party
 * 3 - Social Liberal Party
 * 2 - Green Party
 * 5 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 3 - Labour Party
 * 0 - Other


 * 22-23 May 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a minor vote to?
 * 6 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 4 - Social Christian Party
 * 1 - Social Liberal Party
 * 2 - Green Party
 * 8 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 4 - Labour Party
 * 0 - Other


 * 22-23 May 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a support vote to?
 * 2 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 8 - Social Christian Party
 * 2 - Social Liberal Party
 * 3 - Green Party
 * 3 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 4 - Labour Party
 * 3 - Other

Approval
 * 22-23 May 2013 - Do you approve or disapprove of the Government's record to date?
 * 10 - Approve
 * 9 - Disapprove
 * 3 - Don't Know

Comments
Comments open up again, weekly polling back on. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 10:38, May 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't understand the last one. Wabba The I (talk) 18:32, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * The last one on approval and disapproval is about whether you agree with the way the government has been acting or not. If you agree click approve, if you disagree click disapprove and if you don't know click don't know. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 18:45, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Lol are these becoming a weekly thing? Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:39, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * CCPL always gets the msot support and other major parties yet the people dissaprove of the government. I don't get it. Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:42, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hence the reason I always vote for the GP. Never let me down to date. Flag of the Hurian Federation.png Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:54, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yes they are becoming weekly, and I think the reason is that people disapprove of the way the government is working but they weren't CCPL voters anyways. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 20:58, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, Yet it is sort of confusing I guess we have technically all 100 members in the government since we have no coalition, so do people dissaprove of themselves :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:57, May 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Maybe they just voted "don't know" because they aren't involved enough anymore to be either for or against it? The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 22:08, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Polls are closing at 12 o clock GMT. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 10:30, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I slightly disapprove the people who are blocking all progress in the nation (TM, not personal :P), so I disapprove how the government functions, but I'd still vote CCPL. As CCPL and some other parties are still working well :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:34, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm blocking all progress? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:43, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, all of CCPL's main progress has been slightly interrupted :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 04:04, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Though the same could also be said about Horton :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 04:11, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Examples? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:46, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * State Reform? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:00, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't think it was progress. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:24, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have to agree partially. As we already have the councils up and running, nothing really changes. Except from making them 100% legal :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:32, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Vote Labour!
Hey everyone! Those running in the Train VIllage elections, I wish you all the best of luck. Of course I hope those living in Train Village vote Labour. We know best how to get an economy back on track, how the middle class is agony to have growth again. I hope you come out and support us and understand that we have great politicians to help this economy work with proven business leadership. We honestly hope to work with the CNP and Governor Hoffmann who has already taken measures to help our State and will hope to coalition with them no matter what.

Power to the People, For Sylvania, Vote Labour! Vote Sylvania Labour Party Leaders Marcel Cebara and Joseph Yorn. (Joseph Yorn) Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:27, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Just to reiterate what Marcus said, vote for me, Marcel Cebara, and my fellow Labour Party member Joseph Yorn in the upcoming Train Village Local Elections. If elected, I hope to work with the CNP and Governor Hoffmann to support growth in Train Village and boost the economy.

Good luck to everyone standing in the election! Frijoles333 (talk) 18:45, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would love to run for a Green Train Village, ensuring a Green Present and an even Greener Future! Vote Green! Oh and I would also change that ridiculous name... Train Village, for crying out loud... Train Village, a rustic village right next to Bycicle City, bordering the River Cray-Cray, where I live on Moped Lane, 666. C'mon... we can do better then that. I know I can. It's called imagination, I say we use it. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 19:18, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * We really should rename it. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:42, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Labour can promise we will hold a referendum on the issue. We will change this name to better represent the people (Joe Yorn) Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:17, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Though not retroactive :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 04:12, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, retroactive. It would only make sense for it to be never have a bad name in the first place. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:45, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, retroactive would've been better, but we gotta be realistic. All of the retroactive changes so far have not, or only partially, been implemented. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:02, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Iron Guard Party
I still consider the outlawing of this party by a court to be highly undemocratic. I therefore call for it to be overruled, as it was a decision I believe goes against our values and constition. Freedom of thoughts, freedom of speech, has no limits. It is, for me, a matter of principle. And I am willing to take this to Court or to the Congress if needed. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 18:54, May 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * It was also becasue of it's relation to terrorism and other criminal activities. Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:45, May 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Terrorism? They did no such thing. Sure, they have been involved in the Civil War, but so was Semyon and so were many, many others (Sunkist comes to mind, my own Brigade, the Souther Cross Alliance and so forth). All I see here is baseless and misguided slander, combined with double standards. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 19:48, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * They were correctly banned because of there hate speech and constant vandalism. They also attacked some in the Sofasi Riots Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:55, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe some members of the party attacked people, individually, but the party itself never condoned violence. As for the vandalism, they did no such thing. And the hate speech, well, free speech is free speech no matter how you put it. In America such a party would not be outlawed so why should it be here? It is undemocratic, plain and simple, and your slanderous accussations do nothing to change that fact. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 19:57, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I still support the ruling as many others will as well. I must say it was the party itself. Grant it, that the ideology of facism and white supremacy is of course wrong and polarizing, just it didn't help of the Party's connection to radicals and those who only disrupted the wiki. If you or anyone wants to they can as long as they don't disrupt us like all other users. Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:03, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd like to revive the party, out of principle, as I believe it was unlawfully closed down by an impartial and biased judge, who was personally involved in the anti-fascist movement and therefore not clear of view, his judgement already determined before the trial even began. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 20:07, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's what teh UNS was for. Plus restarting that would make things way more dramatic. It was suppose to symbolize "You can move us from Farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Right to Far Right, and have us make a new logo and name, but we will never change." The sorta crazy conspiracy conservatives that think the government is out the get em' xD Plus there republicans so you'll enjoy there company. Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:13, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am going to sue the f**k out of the Lovian state and get Jefferson's biased, unlawful ass behind bars where he belongs. And I will have the party restored to it's former prominence, so help me God almighty! The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 15:38, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Censored... and I, being probably the farthest right here actually agree with the ruling. Even though the party didn't directly break the law, they highly encouraged much of the law breaking in the Civil War. This is why I say Far-Right non-extremist. I don't support what this party did by any means. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 01:35, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

An update on recent events
As you may or may not have noticed, I have decided to join Lovia for the time being, as I feel I quite enjoy writing in English -it vastly improves my vocab and general language skills, so yeah...- and I also miss the great, chaotic user base of the combined compendium of wiki states, whatever that means. I enjoyed Libertas to a certain extent, Llamada massively, the Harvian Islands also as it was my own project, but most of all I enjoyed Lovia, so here I am! I suddenly remembered my old password as well, so I have decided to log in once more on this account to confirm that I am indeed Cadaro, and not some silly poseur. I want to dissociate my name from my internet identity however, not for weird reasons, but just because I like to control how many people know who I am and what I do, so I have chosen to continue as Cadaro.

I also want to apologize to -Sunkist-. Some shit went down in the chat and I insulted -Sunkist- behind his back because I felt personally attacked by the subject of the discussion and -Sunkist-'s opinion on those matters. I am not apologizing for who I am, nor am I apologizing because I feel that my response was unjustified, but I am a firm believer in pacifism and peaceful, open dialogue, so I want to say sorry to -Sunkist- for talking behind his back. I hope you accept my apologies, and if you want to talk about it, PM me and we'll arrange a time to chat about it. If not, that's fine by me too.

Anyhow, how you'll doing happy muddafuckers! :)

SjorskingmaWikistad (talk) 15:59, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

One of those times again
Hey everyone it's one of those times again in which lovian politics hyper-actively merges and disbands. Me and Horton were thinking about another possible merger or creation of a new Party. It would of course be open to any leftist party which wants in. If enough people do it were in and will be able to create a new force in Lovian Politics! It will be promoted through people like you, grassroots activism and unions alike. We will support social liberalism to social democracy, environmentalism and progressive ideals! Come and post your party! Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:34, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Labour
 * Horton's SCP wing

Let's just undo the creation of the SCP and call it that. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 19:46, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Tbh that's what i wanted too but if others join along then sure we'll do it. Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:48, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well the SCP already happened so it's best to leave it at that. BTW we should start drawing u a few logos. HORTON11 : •  19:51, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

We could simply revert it to the state it was before the secession of like 14 MOTCs to it, I mean. The main conflict I see is the new Labour Deputy Leader, but Abrahams could resign for other reasons. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 19:58, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

When would this start Frijoles333 / Marcel Cebara (talk) 20:08, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

It's better not to change history. Don't know yet when it would start, though I would be willing to join now if it's agreed to. HORTON11 : •  20:09, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Idk, it is better not to change history you know for practical reasons. Inouye could stay leader until the election and  fail to get re--elected but if this new party is made (which will need other parties) he could of course just join along in the leadership. Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:15, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Another proposal, what do you guys think? HORTON11 : •  20:19, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

I like the second one more Frijoles333 / Marcel Cebara (talk) 20:20, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I also like the Lovian SDP logo and the PES one too (I have a preference for suared modern logos). HORTON11 : •  20:26, May 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * A couple more I found were nice, simple but nice:  .  HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 20:38, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * ehhh i like the more new-er logos these were oldish. The PES logo is just the Progressive Democrats of course that is a good logo too maybe a reboot of that? Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:41, May 27, 2013 (UTC
 * Any takers? :L Marcus/Michael Villanova 22:35, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I only really want Horton and maybe Cadaro to take the offer up so that Labour can be a much more relevant party again. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:06, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Bank Acquisition
The National Bank of Lovia would like to acquire the following inactive banking corporations. Joining these banks into the National Bank of Lovia will give rise to a more efficent and quicker banking atmosphere for users in Lovia.
 * NBL
 * Aventis National Bank
 * Bank of Noble City
 * First National Bank
 * Pacific Bank and Insurance
 * Sofasi Diamond Bank
 * The Exchange Bank

Chairman of the National Bank of Lovia


 * Cynthiana Miller 

-Sunkist- (talk) 01:56, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

I thought the National Bank was only supposed to print and regulate Lovia's currency, and not to interact with the commercial banks? 77topaz (talk) 04:50, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the National Bank of Lovia is different than the National Reserve. -Sunkist- (talk) 04:56, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

This bank doesn't look to be owned by the government. Why, then, is it called "the" National Bank, and why would these banks be mergered into it? 77topaz (talk) 05:03, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Because just like the Bank of America, it just a name. The banks are inactive, so why not put them under an active bank? ---Sunkist- (talk) 05:10, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

I agree we should do something with these inactive banks. But they shouldn't all merge into one big bank, especially not a National one :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 05:17, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see a reason why not too. -Sunkist- (talk) 05:19, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

We should do something, but a super-bank is not the way to go, we don't need a monopoly. And Sunkist, a couple of the banks on the list have been defunct for over 50 years (NC Bank and Exchange Bank). HORTON11 : •  05:48, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, well if you don't want a super bank, can I at least try and work in making like two or three major banking corporations? I'll work on each page. -Sunkist- (talk) 06:16, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd say: leave out the two defunct banks and try to merge them into some already existing active banks. Alternatively, merge them into two new banks. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:24, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would like to keep FNB independent, and Aventis, as our nation's largest bank, should also be independent. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:45, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if you go look around at the avaliable spaces, they are all occupied with inactive banks, and a town in Lovia should not have three banks. And why did you just make a new bank when you already have plenty? -Sunkist- (talk) 20:43, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Capitalist monopolies are not our friend. I suggest we stick to a financial market with a myriad of banks, instead of one (or 2-3) big, scary banks. You are always free to excel consumer-wise in such a way that your bank will become the biggest of Lovia. In any case, I'd like to open a bank account at The National Bank of Lovia. Cadaro (talk) 20:03, May 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Splendid! I'm actually trying to keep a record of citizens of Lovia's money, just send me a PM of how much you want to deposit and I'll work with the interest rate. And if you want a retirement fund, investing into stocks, just tell me! -Sunkist- (talk) 20:40, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Realism
I have always wondered how realistic we want Lovia to become. I suspect many contributors differ in opinion on this matter (compare the larger-than-life characters of TMV/Magnus and the political realism of Michael). I want to stir up some discussion. How much realism do we want? I.e. what articles/important subjects/concepts still miss, what about the simplified neighborhood maps and the impossibility of housing 200,000+ people in a few salmon-coloured squares. Do we adhere to the QSS principle as seen on the althistory wikia? Heck, how big is Lovia even? Malta? Cyprus? Palau? Cape Verde?

In my humble opinion, too much realism and afterthought destroys the "fun" part of the wiki, but have always resented the blocky town maps, and too some extent the massive amount of companies in such a small nation. I even wrote a "book" on it, trying to explain some of it in a realistic way. What about you guys? Cadaro (talk) 21:53, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we've slowly been splitting user-matters (out of character) and character-matters (in character), but that's not even close to being done with Congress, law, the various loose ends in other areas, and such. I like the companies (especially non-chains), but the number of multinational ones is surprising, so we've gotten to explaining it with Lovia's de jure status as a tax haven if we're going by a strict no law = no in character policy. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:56, May 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * We definitely need to take another look at realistically displaying maps of areas or at least making it so that 200,000 people can live and work realistically according to the maps. Company wise I completely agree that there are too many big companies that claim they earn billions and that they are the biggest bestest company in Lovia of their type. Its on my to do list of cleaning up the problems in Sylvania of setting a standard. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 09:18, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

I suggest we look at four things:
 * 1) The lay-out of the neigborhood maps and their future. I wouldn't mind turning them into actual images with a tad more realism, while retaining the original lay-out. We could even keep the original neigborhood maps on the respective article with a mention that it is a simplified version, or maybe create a master page with the neighborhood maps to allow people to crowdsource alterations to the neigborhood maps, which can be implemented in the map images later on.
 * 2) The economy of Lovia. What misses? Should we clean up and merge/rewrite articles? Or is the current state of the economy okay. -Sunkist- took some steps in the right direction with an economic forum and one single bank, which is much more realistical for a country with 200,000 inhabitants.
 * 3) The history of Lovia. It needs some clean-up, as many articles contradict other articles. Also, it would be nice to have a canonical history which we can reference to.
 * 4) How we handle content. Does Quod Scripsi Scripsi appyly? What about the really weird, surreal stuff. Is there any inferior content written by users who weren't around for very long, which can be rewritten/deleted? Should we even delete content, however contradicting it may seem to the plans of the current generation of contributors?

Cadaro (talk) 13:58, May 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) Maybe images should be used to make maps similar to the ones we use in Britain like the ordinance survey maps but under some different name for a Lovian version of these maps. We should keep the simplified versions to make it easy to see ownership and changes like that.
 * 2) I'm currently making an economy system, it gives a certain amount of supply and demand and will simulate things roughly so that we can get a better idea of what's going on as well as allowing us to point out to users when they are being unrealistic. And on banks, there can be many banks throughout Lovia, there can be twenty or there can be one, but people must understand that twenty banks will mean a financial sector divided between twenty, not times by twenty.
 * 3) We've done quite well with a rough outline for the history of Lovia. I'm planning to go back to it soon and help finish the rough outline so that people can start working on the final details.
 * 4) We should clean up content and ask for a certain amount of quality, quality articles written by users gone should be kept, adopted and preserved unless something is really wrong with them. Low quality articles that were written by users gone are up for either adoption and improvement or deletion.

These are my opinions of course but this is how I believe it should work. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 14:17, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Doniaville
Donia thinks we should rename Train Village to Doniaville. Sounds good to me. But anyway, he does, and Train Village doesn't sound very good so let's rename it to Doniaville! <font color="Teal">Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   15:38, May 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, yes, yes! A thousend times yes. The Clan needs it. Lovia needs it. By all the gods and goddesses and all the powers invested in me, by the, by their divine judgement, so shall it be. Doniaville it shall be. Splendid! Exquisite! Glorious! The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 15:42, May 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * This is a joke for all of you that didn't know. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 15:53, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * So funny... *sniff* I forgot to laugh... The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 15:55, May 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'd support that Royale guy for king though, but you shouldn't really do it on your sockpuppet account.  He'd be pretty cool for the role. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:30, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's good to at least keep the throne within the family. BastardRoyale (talk) 12:43, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Vote IGP for Train Village


Vote Ygo August Donia, for the IGP as mayor of Train Village tomorrow. Do so, and I will bring you peace, order, stability and a swift name change to rid us of that awful, sad, depressigly uninspired name "Train Village". A vote for Donia and the IGP is a vote for a new, vibrant and clean village, a community strong and flexible, safe and secure and well-prepared for the future. A vote for Donia and the IGP, in short, is a vote well-spent. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 17:06, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Huh? I thought you were trying to join the GP with Dalia Donia? :P 77topaz (talk) 20:28, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

TMV is a complex man. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 20:46, May 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Dalia is gonna be rebellious and join the Green Party in spite of her brother's right-wing aspirations. Maybe it's some leftover teen spirit, maybe it's an early midlife crisis or she wants to break free from her mainstream and bourgeois lifestyle? Meanwhile, Ygo's still the old war veteran, the rough clanlord, the robust pater familias. She chooses flowers and green, he chooses iron. Time for a new adventure. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 20:50, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Idk one day I just want the real user. Hes TMV hes DOnia he maybe Bastard Royale (i think he is) he maybe Drabo (idk about that one) hes a commie no hes a facist no hes an envrionmentalist. Idk man I jsut wanna know. Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:51, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Come on chat now and I will tell you all you want to know. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 20:52, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Train Village
Remember that all citizens, regardless of what state they live in, can vote with a support vote in the Train Village local elections. If you are a resident of Sylvania, you have a minor vote too.

Vote Labour for growth and devolution in Train Village Frijoles333 / Marcel Cebara (talk) 07:49, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Lovian Times Polling 30-31 May
Elections
 * 30-31 May 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a major vote to?
 * 8 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 2 - Social Christian Party
 * 2 - Social Liberal Party
 * 4 - Green Party
 * 3 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 3 - Labour Party
 * 2 - Other


 * 30-31 May 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a minor vote to?
 * 6 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 1 - Social Christian Party
 * 2 - Social Liberal Party
 * 6 - Green Party
 * 5 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 2 - Labour Party
 * 1 - Other


 * 30-31 May 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a support vote to?
 * 2 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 4 - Social Christian Party
 * 3 - Social Liberal Party
 * 2 - Green Party
 * 5 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 1 - Labour Party
 * 6 - Other

Approval
 * 30-31 May 2013 - Do you approve or disapprove of the Government's record to date?
 * 12 - Approve
 * 7 - Disapprove
 * 2 - Don't Know

Flavour Polling
 * 30-31 May 2013 - Do you think IGP should be allowed to resume it's activities as a party?
 * 14 - Yes
 * 5 - No
 * 1 - Don't Know


 * 30-31 May 2013 - If Local Elections in Charleston happened tomorrow who would you vote for?
 * 9 - Independent (Charles Bennett)
 * 2 - Social Christian Party
 * 5 - Labour Party
 * 5 - Other

Comments
Comments open up again, weekly polling back on. Flavour polling added due to interesting recent events, Charleston polling uses what I think are the three major forces in Charleston. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 09:38, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

I personally think the major vote, minor vote, support vote system in these pollings should simply be changed to selecting your favorite, second favorite, and third favorite party to avoid voting for the same party, which is possible for virtually every party for actual Lovian citizens. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 19:51, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't follow... You can't vote twice for one party, can you? I mean, I can't give one party both my major vote and my minor vote. Imho you are talking semantics, and it would be just a meaningless name change. Cadaro (talk) 19:59, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * You can vote for the same party twice, but not the same candidate. Time was making a suggestion for future polling in the pub. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 21:45, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's implied that you can't, but since elections are based on users, not parties, it should be changed to what I suggested. The current system (in this polling only, I'm talking about) allows you to give one party both your major and minor vote, which I want to change. So not meaningless. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:04, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Polls close at 12 o clock GMT. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 09:12, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Polls closed (just a little late). Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 11:30, May 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Anyway, I think you should change: 1. major vote to first choice party. 2. minor vote to second choice party. and 3. support vote to third choice party. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 11:03, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to stick with this polling because it's a little inaccurate (which all polling is) but it gives a general idea of the mood at the moment. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 11:30, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'll make my own polling. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:13, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey I think that's a great idea! :D Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 21:22, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Vote SCP
Vote SCP in Train Village!

Reserved Section. To be added to. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   20:04, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Such a convincing argument :P The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 20:07, May 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Reserved section. To be added to."
 * - Happy65, 2013

And that's why I didn't vote SCP. Cadaro (talk) 23:26, May 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Lol, it's the same thing on their policies. :P Happy and Horton, PLEASE disband SCP and return to your old parties. :'( —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:27, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Lol let em be. Labour is sinking anyway. CNP doesn't need Happy and it fits our wacky political landscape its fine. Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:52, May 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know we're in such a terrrible position right now, but I've tried discussing policies with Horton, but he never seems to be online these days when I am. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 06:39, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just put down some policies on the talk page, leave Horton a message and tell him to look and them and tell you what he agrees with. You're not doing terrible you're just not doing much. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 09:14, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think that they should simply join CCPL. As far as I can tell, the party is just slightly more progressive than CCPL. They're also fairly similar to MCP except that SCP Christian and a little more conservative. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 20:30, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

A 2013 Political Scale


In mid-2012, (right around this time of year actually), a few different political scales were made for the parties of that year. Such as the one displayed. For this year, if someone is up for making one, another political scale could be made with a new addition preferably. The marker that is used for each party could be a color that represents one's environmental position. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 22:01, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no fucking clue where my party would be actually. That is one of the drawbacks of an "open ideology". I guess a bit off-set to the left. Also, midway between authoritarian and libertian. Cadaro (talk) 23:29, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * off the charts -Donia
 * No, not really. It would appear in the upper left quadrant. Reboot would probably be the farthest upper left quadrant of any existing party. Labour would be quite close to SDU as well. As party of CDP, I would be lower right quadrant. --Quarantine Zone (talk)
 * Authoritarian-Libertarian is this graph refers to social issues and political/individual (not economic) freedoms, so they'd be lower left, not upper left, and CDP would be upper right, not lower right. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 03:16, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, this is a little hard to decide. Reboot supports government interference in terms of the country's land, but I'm not sure if that's more economic or social. Maybe we should stop focusing on graphing this stuff. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 03:18, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * But CDP is much more libertarian than authoritarian. CDP supports small government (minimal government programs, little economic control, minimal censoring [with exception to pornography], etc.) --Quarantine Zone (talk) 21:01, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's the left-right part of the graph. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:49, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Newhaven Tribune Political Polling 1-2 June 2013
I decided to try merging all of the polls into just "what's your favorite party?" basically. I'll see what happens. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 03:35, June 1, 2013 (UTC) Poll - 1-2 June 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you vote for?
 * Conservative Christian Party of Lovia - 8 - 30%
 * Social Christian Party - 2 - 8%
 * Social Liberal Party - 3 - 11%
 * Green Party - 3 - 13%
 * Conservative Nationalist Party - 5 - 19%
 * Positive Lovia - 0 - 1%
 * Labour Party 3 - 12%
 * Christian Democratic Party 1 - 5%
 * Other - 0 - 1%

Please vote, there are still only seven now that ten hours have elapsed since the most recent voter voted. :o —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:28, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, GP needs more votes. Come on people! Vote Green! Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 05:37, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

No, don't vote Green, vote SCP! 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 07:11, June 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * You should switch back to CNP, 4kant. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 11:57, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Also -- what happened to all the CCPL voters? :O —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 11:58, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

I know for a fact no way should we  be in second with three votes :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 12:07, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Why are there so many different polls all asking similar questions? Frijoles333 / Marcel Cebara (talk) 19:37, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

IDK no offence to Time, I like his papers and political input, but I think Kun's model for polling is the best. I wouldn't mind him doing the same but I think it'd get a bit repetitive. Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:41, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, CCPL just went from 2 to 8 in six hours. Anyway, I like my model for polling because it's more like other countries' polling, it doesn't allow you to vote for the same party in multiple polls, and in Kunarian's model, major, minor, and supports in the poll appear to be equal in value once compiled. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:54, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Why does labour have 12% yet GP with 13%? And SLP with 11? Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:12, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

So that they wouldn't all have the same percentage on a graph. GP also should have had four votes due to Donia. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:49, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

LT polling
REMEMBER TO READ CAREFULLY, CLICK AGREE TO SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RULE IN LOCAL ELECTIONS, CLICK DISAGREE TO OPPOSE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RULE IN LOCAL ELECTIONS:


 * Voters in the Local Elections in Sylvania are limited to vote for any party only once in the same way that they may vote for any candidate only once, this rule was installed to stop parties voting only within their parties, critics from the labour party say that this is an affront to democracy, do you agree that this rule is good for democracy?
 * 13 - Agree
 * 2 - In the middle
 * 5 - Disagree
 * 0 - Don't know

I like it better, it sets the scene of why this poll is held. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 19:28, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Remember that this rule has also been put in place to ensure that votes for individuals who are supported by multiple people on matter of conviction do not have their vote share eroded deliberately by votes that are made only within party groups. Also it stops the tradition of people fielding a load of candidates just to spread their votes amongst their party, most of whom normally end up inactive like in this congress. I hope you vote to Agree. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 19:36, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

(my summed up argument as well) Remember that this rule, while in good spirit, takes away an individual's right for first choice if that other candidate is of the same political party. While I don't like how are current system does have inactivity, I don't believe that this rule actually would change this, rather force you to vote for someone who is ideologically near you (as anyone would do) but inactive or not as active. Maybe you do have inactive people in your party, but I hope you take it among yourselfs to weed it out and put country first, I hope you trust in the other people running for office behind that. I hope you vote no. Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:39, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Can we agree to leave the "arguments" at this :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:51, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed with one addition, seeming as you're hoping I'd like to hope too. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 19:56, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Actually did make me laugh if you can believe that xD I hope you hope that you'll hope some more that I agree to that. Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:07, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

OWTB's view
In my opinion, we hardly have a choice, as there are less votes to be brought out and less votable options. But then again, it is perfectly well allowed to just stand as an independent during the local elections, easily circumventing this. So, in short: in theory a nice solution, in reality it is useless :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 03:15, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * True, Time pointed this out and so has Marcus but I think that this is a good starting place and a good simple rule to build upon. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 10:06, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, to me it looks like redundancy. Pretty sure it ain't gonna have any effects :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:53, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * We have to start experimenting somewhere, and it's especially good in situations like these where we can just experiment rather than just hypothesise. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 17:48, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe it can be boiled down to this, and I don't want to misquote you. But your solution would be through the changing the voting aspects and to that you think there is a strong "Party alligence" and that in turn it will solve it. I take the path of not changing the voting, yet not allowing those who are inactive to run and if they do run, by the mid-way point if they aren't active we hold mid-terms for there seats? Yes/no? Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:28, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Conclusion
Clearly a majority (65%) think it's a good rule and good for democracy, a minority (25%) think it's bad for democracy and a few (10%) think something inbetween. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 10:06, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Blackburn U
Sorry to ask what is probably a silly question, but I was thinking of making some contributions to Blackburn University, including adding some new buildings in Transcity and adding more detail to the parts about campuses and courses. I know it's silly for me to ask, but thought I should as its not one of my projects Frijoles333 / Marcel Cebara (talk) 19:16, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Add detail to courses would be something I think most people would be fine with (with a little overseering to make sure things are done properly), however it doesn't need any new buildings. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 19:20, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok I'll do that Frijoles333 / Marcel Cebara (talk) 19:22, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

The unconquerable soul of Donia
<p class="MsoNoSpacing">I stand here before you, a man at the height of his abilities. A man strong, a man experienced. Unbowed, unbroken, an unconquerable soul in a durable body. Lovia has endured long too, much longer then I have lived. Lovia may not be an old nation compared to some others, but it’s history is rich and it’s culture all the richer. There is no man alive on this planet, on the face of this earth, who appreciates this fact more than I do. Our history may not be long, but we packed a million years in just one hundred and fifty years of existence. Nothing, nobody, can ever take that away from us.

<p class="MsoNoSpacing">But as I stand before you, my family Lovians, I see a nation broken, a nation divided. A nation still recovering from the horrors of the Civil War. A war that was no one’s fault, but a fault of us all and a burden for us all to carry. You do not have to carry it alone, you do not have to suffer in silence. Step out of the shades of your mundane existence, come together and join hands. Papa Donia is here, your lord and saviour. Let us come together and be as one. Let us walk together in the right direction, the only direction: forward. Forward towards a brighter and better future. For Lovia, the Lovian people, and for humanity itself. <p class="MsoNoSpacing">Walk with me in fields of blue, red and yellow, lay with my in green pastures and walk with me in a golden sunlit beach. History is not written in the stars, it’s written by you! By me, by my infant son, by my baby niece. By the man in the street, his wife, his lover. By the old lady at the bookstore who is secretly a salsa dancer and battles crime in her free time. By the mentally handicapped man on the Hurbanovan farm who was falsely accused of kidnapping the guinea pig he was actually attempting to save. We are all writing the history of Lovia, together. Come with me, and write! Write, by living! Live, by writing.

<p class="MsoNoSpacing"> <p class="MsoNoSpacing">Make me your King and you will have a dreamer, with no political power whatsoever. A dreamer who will take your hand and guide you along in his dreams, take you with him on many a adventure. For I am the captain of my fate, and the master of my soul. Let us master our fates and captain our souls together. Under Ygo the First, there will be a kingdom that reigns a thousand years. Or, just a month, if you will have it so. It is your call, your decision. You, the people of Lovia!

<p class="MsoNoSpacing"> <p class="MsoNoSpacing">I cannot promise heaps of gold, nor can I promise there will be no controversies. I cannot promise there will be no wild sex parties in the palace garden and pool, and that there will be no illegal goat races in the streets of Oceana. There may be a fight or two, some drunken brawls and a politically motivated assassination attempt on the mascot of a sports team I hate. A feminist or two, or three, or five, might find themselves locked up in my dungeons, and I cannot promise there will be no drunken rants every once in a while. But I can promise you this: there will be gold, and there will be adventure, and there will be laughter.

<p class="MsoNoSpacing">We will be merry and we will be happy, Lovians! Naranja! May the Gods and Science and all that is good and holy and unholy and immoral and sexy and hilarious be with you! Let us move on to a new Lovia. Bless Lovia, bless the Lovian people, and bless the healing power of milk, alcoholic beverages, intellectual debate and horseback riding!

<p class="MsoNoSpacing">Kind regards,

<p class="MsoNoSpacing">Your king, The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 21:57, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

So, Donia's Lovia is going to be tolerant and groovy. I like it. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 02:15, June 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * That sums it up pretty well, TM. The general idea was a tolerant and groovy Lovia. Some crazy shit will still happen every now and then, there may be some controversy and I won't be able to always give everyone exactly what they desire. But neither was Dimitri, back when he still bothered to visit the site every so often: he was blantantly anti-religious, militantly atheist, obsessed with the USA and formed his own leftist cliques that dealt with opposing views in ways that were not always as democratic as they could have and should have been. I will not make such mistakes, as unlike him I am capable of not politicalizing the position of King (politics never interested me that much, honestly), nor am I such an idealist. I'm more laidback, not a sucker for the rules, instead of Dimitri who I suspect hugged the Constitution late at night, and who may or may not have danced around his room with it wearing a wedding dress. In any case, all joking aside, they were good days. I found the presence of a king rather enjoyable, as it was an important part of Lovian society. When we lost this part, with our King's departure, I think we lost a little piece of the old Lovia, the Lovia that we had, and that I loved. So at the fear of sounding too nostalgic, I would like to revive those days, if only just a bit. Now don't get me wrong, I am no Dimitri I, nor an Arthur I, II & III nor a Lucy or a Lucas. I would be a different type of King. But it's a position I would gladly take and furfill to the best of my abilities. It would be new and interesting, yes, but also not that new, as we had a King before. At present, however, we do not. And I find that a bloody shame. So as a king, I'd get involved with debates, play an advisory role perhaps, give regular speeches in the Speaker's Corner on cultural phenomenon and the like, and give interviews for the country's major news stations and papers. I'd write a book or two, or three. And furthmore, retreat from all political positions I may or may not hold, and fully focus on the Lovian Throne. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 07:47, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Lovian Times Polling 7-8 June
Elections 7-8 June 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a major vote to? Conservative Christian Party of Lovia Social Christian Party Social Liberal Party Green Party Conservative Nationalist Party Labour Party Other

7-8 June 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a minor vote to? Conservative Christian Party of Lovia Social Christian Party Social Liberal Party Green Party Conservative Nationalist Party Labour Party Other

7-8 June 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a support vote to? Conservative Christian Party of Lovia Social Christian Party Social Liberal Party Green Party Conservative Nationalist Party Labour Party Other

Approval 7-8 June 2013 - Do you approve or disapprove of the Government's record to date? Approve Disapprove Don't Know

Flavour Polling 7-8 June 2013 - Do you support the CNP and Labour coalition in Train Village? Yes No Don't Know

Comments
Comments open! Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 15:56, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Glad to see the polls are becoming a regular thing :) Frijoles333 / Marcel Cebara (talk) 16:05, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's nice. I always vote the same though :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 17:02, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * So do most people in real life when it comes to these things however it's the small things that make you want to move your support vote or maybe even completely change your major vote and those change the polls. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 17:05, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please, please, please add my party to the polling next time, or split up "other" into the parties that category represents? Cadaro (talk) 22:51, June 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah maybe like "Other leftist" "Other Rightists"? Marcus/Michael Villanova 23:19, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Announcement from Mäöres
We've just opened our election page. You can now run for elections if you are a Mäöreser citizen. If you are not yet a citizen, but you do want to vote, then you are advised to make 25 edits to your user page and wait for days. Then you will get your citizen form :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:08, June 8, 2013 (UTC)