Forum:The Pub

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nl:Forum:De kroegro:RoWikicity:Cafenea Welcome to The Pub! This is the general meeting place in Lovia. Inhabitants can make public announcements, have a friendly chat with some copatriots, or discuss crucial issues in Lovian politics or business. Speeches can also be made at Speakers' Corner. All archives of The Pub can be found here.

Happy couples?
This is a strange request but if my piece of marriage legislation would pass, are there any users or fictive persons that would want to make use of it? If I remember correctly the King still has a fiancé? Of course we need to wait until our new governors are elected. I'm curious if all the work was actually useful or if my laws will just serve for decoration? 15:13, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Again only 13, can't be married. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 15:40, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Marcus: Your character "Marcus Villanova" isn't 13, is he?
 * @Yuri: Yes, I will be wedding Mary Elisabeth Nelson in October. 15:23, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * great, am I invited :p JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  15:33, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * You will be soon :D 15:35, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Great I'll find myself a costume then :p JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  16:12, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * You better do. Get yourself a fiancee/date too, by then! 16:14, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes 13, "Marcus is the chairman of the sea-side hamlet Adoha. Marcus is the youngest congressmen ever elected and is currently a member of Walden. " So yeah It would be kinda hard to marry. Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 17:14, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Dimi: I don't like puffy costumes and classic man-woman dates, but I'll do my best to fit in. That is, if I'm invited of course.  06:15, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I, Philip Bradly-Lashawn, son of Arthur III and nephew to our current monarch, the Great and honourable Dimitri the First, would like to inform you of my upcoming marriage. I have discovered the infidelity of my wife Malia Vensterdorp and now I wish to marry professional model and fellow Buddhist Yunus Xuan. I wish to divorce my wife, then take Xuan as my second wife if she agrees (highly likely since we have known each other for several years as members of the same temple and have been secretly seeing each other since five months prior to this day). I would like to use this message of yours, dear comrade Medvedev, to:


 * A: Ask my dear Yunus to marry me, and:


 * B: Express my best wishes to my nephew the king, and wish him a good marriage and may his wife bare him many sons and may the fruit of his loins be many in number and fruitful and successful.

Comrade Philip has spoken. Back to you, Yuri,

BastardRoyale 07:40, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Those are two wonderful marriages in the making.  09:46, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Spotlight
We really need a wikia spotlight. Otherwise we never get 100 users active simultaously (sorry for spelling errors) Pierlot McCrooke 17:44, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure we need so many... We can hardly check all pages now. Martha Van Ghent 17:59, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's right. Now this Horton guy showed up, I have not been able to wikify all his article - and they need it... 07:45, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * A 100 is maybe a bit too many, but some more might turn out as benevolent JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  07:56, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well sure, but we need to finish off a lot of things first. This wiki is - speaking of community infrastructure - not ready for more users. E.g.: we don't have a body that constitutes the rules of this site, except for the site admins themselves. 08:09, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I say go for it! This spotlight sounds like a great idea. BastardRoyale 17:25, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Vote For Freedom!


We'll keep fighting together for a stabile economy, equal rights for everyone, respect for human rights, freedom of the press, for a living dream of a peaceful and equal world. - Ferenc Szóhad

First wave of Walden propaganda
I Love these posters! You have my vote Justin! Marcus Villanova Walden 21:06, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lovely, but i can see a bus in the first picture to :D JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  09:46, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Vote for State Quality and Christian Values
Haha lol, Geertje in New York. SjorskingmaWikistad 06:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Values? lol. Martha Van Ghent 13:39, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm the guy on the right of Wilders (a) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:09, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Second wave of Walden propaganda
Or vote for the CPL.nm of which governorship candidate Yuri Medvedev created the Kings State Park Service. 06:09, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * He is a newbie I must say but works really hard for Walden. Mabey he ment he wanted the cleared road? Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 19:42, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I really like Walden and your propaganda, fellas, but could you - in the future - please just group all your ads? This is the community pub, and it's fine if you do some advertising, but keep it limited . Alright? If you have speeches, btw, the Speakers' Corner is the preferred place. 07:26, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * He achieved what he wanted, attention for his party. I think he did a good pr-job :) Well done. SjorskingmaWikistad 14:39, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed he did. 14:51, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Website management: time to democratize?
This wiki is one of the only to focus so much on how to rule this nation, that we practically don't manage the site. The current power to delete pages, solve conflicts, sanction users, etc. inheres with three bureaucrats (User:DimiTalen, User:Regaliorum, User:American Eagle) and two other admins (User:Lokixx (inactive), User:Intothewild). We manage to keep vandals away and protect some pages, and do the basic tasks. What we hardly do is discuss how we should manage the site.

I think we ought to move on and prepare Wikination to stand on its own feet when me or Yuri or Jefferson decide to leave the wiki or stop doing their jobs. Also, I'm really convinced that there should be a way to involve more users in the decision-making process. (I'm not talking about Congress/government here; just about the website.)

Therefore, I want to propose something to you guys. Let's say it's a first step in the democratization process. Nothing more, nothing less. One step in the right direction. (Or left, if you're a pinko.)

I propose to create a forum about the community and the website. Not the Forum, but a place where we can discuss how to manage the website, users, rules, etc. Forum:Wikination is a possibility.

Then I propose to create a decision-making organ, based on a rotating system. In my opinion, it should be like this: This council would then have the power to:
 * Three fixed members = the buros
 * Three or perhaps four/five/six rotating members. On a two/three/four (?) month base, we would randomly ask three different citizens (who haven't vandalized, of course) to be part of the council.
 * Block users and decide on the length of the block
 * Protect important pages in a conflict
 * Delete pages in a conflict
 * Decide on how to handle community matters, such as forums
 * etc.

As I said, this is only the first step. If we would democratize as a whole, and let the entire community vote, we would risk instability. If one week, all the good and moral contributors are not present, some Drabo type of guys could easily take charge of business. That's something I rather not risk. By installing this rotating system, however, we guarantee that all decisions have the support of the admins who have to implement the changes and are supported by a random selection of the active user community.

Think it through please, my dear fellow Lovians. I will soon open (not yet) a poll about this. First read and think about it. 14:51, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds familiar... but it is a very good idea. At least the site management would be able to deal without its current bearers. I'm very ! 16:50, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Only if dimitri stops having involvement in this site Pierlot McCrooke 16:54, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand you, Pierlot. Do you say you only support this initiative if Dimi steps down or am I completely missing your point? 16:56, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I support it but dimitri should step down. We should have some refreshment. Pierlot McCrooke 16:58, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know, this is about site administration. Currently there is no reason at all to make that democratic. Think of it as a very strong gesture that we (the administrators) want to be fair. 17:00, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. @Pierlot: by implementing this thing, the wiki will be able to survive it when I and Yuri leave. So you should be sort of glad. 17:03, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Dimi should step down, it's good this way. The idea of Dimitri here is also ok. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:00, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dimitri tries do be democratic but he isnt. This initiative could be inly good wthout dimitri Pierlot McCrooke 17:02, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

*makes a little dance* 17:03, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dimi i trust, anyone else nah escpially those commies ! The way I look at it is Dimi and Yuri are auto matic Admins, then for like the first six months of the year Me, Jon, and Eagle will be buracrats, and more the last six months we switch out with Owtb, Intothewild, and Bucu, and Aseops. If anymore really active members who make edits and stuff come around will add them. Democray Rules! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:24, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * sounds pretty okay! 08:31, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Forum:Wikination

 * I support the creation of such a forum
 * 18:04, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:05, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Bucu 18:06, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't you? Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:24, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Pierlot McCrooke 05:24, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 08:34, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Martha Van Ghent 08:49, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I do not support this proposal

Creation of a "site council"

 * I support the creation of such a council, constisting of the 3 buros and 6 or more rotating citizens
 * } Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:24, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I support the creation of such a council, constisting of the 3 buros and 4 rotating citizens
 * 18:04, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:06, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Bucu 18:06, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Pierlot McCrooke 05:24, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 08:34, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Martha Van Ghent 08:50, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 09:46, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * SjorskingmaWikistad 16:32, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I want the five admins to decide, instead of such a council


 * I want the three buros to decide, instead of such a council


 * Keep it as it is


 * ça m'est égale (I don't care)
 * Jon Johnson

I wont vote, I don't know how it would change my situation Olaf Engelund 15:00, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * It will it basically controls who controls the site. I think what your implining is that "Well i'm not a monitior so who cares." Well if you stay to the site rules, do good edits and engage in convo, and are active then how knows a year from now you'll be a site admin!! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:41, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Olaf: You're right. If all goes well and you contribute well, site management won't bother you at all. Site management will be concerned with fixing problems, solving conflicts, deciding which pages should go, which rules to follow. 20:44, September 16, 2010 (UTC)