User:Crystalbeastdeck09/My state plan

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Final Thought: It appers to me if we Erect State Councils it wouldn't work. But if we let people be in two State congress then it could work out. The numbers next to the names means if they were in state council hoe it might play out.
 * Oceana
 * User:Bucurestean 1
 * User:Ooswesthoesbes 1
 * User:Crystalbeastdeck09
 * Sylvania
 * User:DimiTalen 1
 * User:Percival E 1
 * User:Intothewild 1
 * User:American Eagle 1
 * User:Bucurestean
 * User:SjorskingmaWikistad
 * User:Nova Aurorae 1
 * User:Crystalbeastdeck09
 * Kings
 * User:Pierlot 1
 * User:Regaliorum 1
 * User:M. Van Gent 1
 * User:Jon Johnson 1
 * User:Harold Freeman 1
 * User:American Eagle
 * User:Semyon Edikovich
 * User:Crystalbeastdeck09
 * Seven
 * User:Aesopos 1
 * User:Bucurestean 2
 * User:Pierlot 2
 * User:SjorskingmaWikistad 1
 * User:Semyon Edikovich 1
 * User:BastardRoyale
 * User:Regaliorum
 * Clymene
 * User:American Eagle 2
 * User:Aesopos 2
 * User:Intothewild 2
 * User:Crystalbeastdeck09 1
 * User:Regaliorum
 * User:SjorskingmaWikistad 2

Current Situation
Congress has all power which isn't really taken up in an official regulation. This situation leads towards an immobility of the state level! The states are actually nothing more than an sandpit for governors where they can try things out. This immobility is caused by a bottleneck situation on top. States must have some freedom, and some may think this is going back to a earlier situation but it doesn't. The King and the powers that be will never agree to implement a form of unregulated state. So here opinions are united to find a good way to find a well organised second level which executes the constitution and the fedlaw JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  19:15, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * True I think we should write a law forming a state Council and saying that State COuncils can make state laws that have to be approved by govenors. And that a Govnor is automatically a State Council Member. Again this helps people get involed in politics. Again The councils could only have Very small power. It's a compromise, but This would not lead to succession. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 19:19, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * A state law is a bit difficult i think, don't you think? JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  19:28, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it isn't it can be farley easy if everyone works together. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 19:31, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay than, but this law has to be a united law, with the same basis, like speed regulation is and than states have the freedom to choose that, but it needs to be voted by the council, congress can later agree with this laws and implement them, and this way we move forward JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  19:34, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the law is writing itself, But I think the govenor can approve the law for the state beacuse Again the govenor then has really no job. The Govenor should be - An political Offical who is elected and is an automatic member of the state council. It Approves a proposed law. Really that all it does. It's just a high offical State Councilmen. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 19:39, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Situation
We could create a council with the 5 governors, but this doesn't really solve the immobility, I want to create some freedom for the states, but not to many. It must be controlled, I really think governors are worthless otherwise, and the level can be abolished too, we only have a federal level then, which is possible, but in the end some states will want to improve and others won't. Some states really need to build an identity, this is the most developed in Oceana JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  19:26, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed, the term govenor now is more honarary than it really does anything. The council of Five govenors doesn't help the state itself, again there is already some state laws so the state councils could be added. I guess i'll run on that platform in Clymene, creating a Clymene State council. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 19:34, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * It could be better this way

Uhhh... I still think that Each state doen't need to get approved by congress but by the govenor, I agree with that all laws need to be consitituional and with Fedlaws approval. Marcus Villanova WLP 19:44, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) The five governor form a council with five members, they are besides the Congress a law creating institute.
 * 2) They can only make laws on witch the constitution or fed law hasn't had made laws on already. Or due to the subsidiarity
 * 3) The congress is given a right to be a controlling institution on this forum, they can decide to take the law to the highest level, this way, we have a side kick for the highest level, which can integrate some freedom concerning 'a state law'
 * 4) All laws will sooner or later be integrated in the fedlaw, but this needs voting in congress (so creating another checkpoint)
 * 5) All laws made by this council may not interfere with the constitution or fedlaw.
 * What would you change than? JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  20:04, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's kinda what i said before
 * Every State Elects a State Council a Law making body that decides State Laws.
 * The State Council has very limited power that can only comply with Federal Law and consitituion.
 * A govenor is automatically a member of his/or her state council.
 * A govenor has to approve all State Bills.
 * A state Councilmens term is one year so it should be held around the same time each year.
 * If there is a tie in the vote the Deputy Govenor breaks the vote.

I think this skims the top and is okay! Marcus Villanova WLP 20:10, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * This could only work with enough people, but we only have 15, and I know you counted them, i'd be easier to have one law creating body which creates state structures, and then every governor can add it's personal touch: by example


 * 1) The speed at witch motorized vehicles can ride is limited too
 * 2) Ocenana: XX
 * 3) Kings: XX

And we can add a simple mechanism in witch this council needs to ask permission to start creating this law and a second safety mechanism by giving the congress permission to ask to stop the law or to change it. What do you think, we can move and their is control. We can even say that these laws are immediate fedlaws created by the sate council, we can give this a name like: state-bounded-FedLaws or something JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  20:19, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * But states already have state Law so this would be odd. Again if People could be in two councils that would be fine. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:23, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * state Law doesn't really exist anymore. I know your way would be better, but we haven't have enough users, i think my solution is the only intermediate solution, meaning something we can get through congress JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  20:26, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't want to sound like a big watery Douche Bag but we could ask people to move to Oceana? It sounds bad and wrong but it would make Life WAY eaiser! If it come's to noting else maybe some councils could be only three people or four, it would be small but still. Oh and one more thing If there is a tie in Vote in the state council the Deputy Govenor has to break the vote. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:29, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid many people will want a simple way or no way. So i guess it's one or none, it's a shame but the site is to small, i like your idea, and that could make life easier, but one council is already many. To please you: What about a governor's cabinet. The governor choses to pick some (we need to limit that) people to assist him in times of hard work, one of those people is the president of the comitee, being the deputy, which gives a political meaning to the deputy JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  20:35, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait I like your idea but what about this The Govenor appoints, Three - Five People to State Cabinets that could be made up depending on state. The Deputy is automatically a member/or Cabinet member. The State Cabinet can vote on things like listed in the Convos. For a State like Oceana this Helps beacuse if I move there that's three people. It helps right? Did I Sound like A big watery Douchebag before? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:42, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, but I'd like to make it Max 3, what about that, the governor can choose, and we can make this limit higher, when we have more active users <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  20:47, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * True. I can't write the Law (Have you see my sucess rate of laws passed?) plus schools starting and I need to get off in like 10 Minutes. So write the law with the cabinet thing or the state council thing I like both. I don't care which one you pick. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:54, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll do it tomorrow, it's already late  <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  20:55, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay I GTG to so, we'll pick this up tomorrow! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:58, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like this. Perhaps you could include the deputy governors as well? The more, the merrier. 08:25, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think already said that, again I also like the idea. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:25, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Active Clymene people not active in other States
So exactly Five! We could erect a state council! See! Anyone else for this? Marcus Villanova 14:10, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Marcus Villanova - Governor
 * Ferenc Szóhad - Deputy Governor
 * Arthur Jefferson - MOTC
 * (kinda) Lars Washington - MOTC
 * Edward Hannis - MOTC
 * No. 15:21, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know your not for it but is anyone else? Marcus Villanova 15:22, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's admirable that you want to erect a state council, but I must however point out that such an institution cannot have any actual power or recognition. Governors are legally not allowed to re-shape state politics. 15:25, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would try to write up some law and propose it to congress. Marcus Villanova 15:28, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a possibility indeed :) 15:32, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Marcus, It don't get your thing with this council. Elections have just been held, some got a function others didn't, and your plan is to give them a function, why? We can just quit voting then, cause everybody will be having functions here. <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  16:03, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think all people should have functions. It makes people occupied. gives people a perpose.Marcus Villanova 19:20, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there should be state councils with some power . Or else the state cannot achieve anything since the king and congress have all the power. If a state has no power, there isn't much need for states. I do think states are needed and they should get more powers. Horton11 19:31, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly and there should be states! Marcus Villanova 19:32, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah! If we want Lovia more democratic, we need these councils. Congress has all the power and governors can do very little. With what little power the governor gets, he can do anything he wants (like a dictator) and citizens don't get to contribute. All Citizens within a state should be part of a council, and this will allow them to work with the governor to do what's best. All we need is for congress to locate some powers to The States (not the governor) to achieve things democratically Ultimately the governor will be the top power in the state but should work with the people to make laws. Horton11 19:41, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * True and all laws that are passed by the Governor must comply with Fed law and the consitutuion. Marcus Villanova 19:50, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. This must be done. Lovia rally needs change. All the states elected a progressive governor, so change should occur. Congress' huge amount of power should be split up fairly, most for itself and some for the states. Horton11 19:54, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Totally against: we cannot give everyone functions, that's just ridiculous! And if you want to create state laws: do the following: ask permission to start a state lawbook (which is a part of the fedlaw) every law (that is approved by congress) that starts with In the state of ... (of course followed by the law) can be added their <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  23:34, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm backing with Jon here. I Completely disagree. States have enough power as it is. The people the nation trusts are in Congress. Congress has the power, and it stays that way. We don't want states simply slowing down the process. If you want to have a role in Lovia, do it in Congress, become popular, be an MOTC. Don't try to reform your own state so that you can have extra power. States in Lovia serve almost no purpose. Get over it. Things don't have to have an absolute importance; states will never be as close to important as Congress. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 01:27, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * States have almost NO power. It is something that needs to be addressed. States need to have a purpose, or else why would they exist? If we want to have a democracy, we need functioning states with more power, but following the constitution and federal laws. Horton11 02:16, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're sounding awfully theist; things are not obligated to have a purpose to exist. A governor administrates his/her state, and his head of its editing, so to speak. Typically, a governor serves as someone to refer to, and is easier to contact than the king. Isn't that plenty enough? If you want to make a change to state, you can do it from the state level, where power is truly strong. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 04:26, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Governors have things to do, but the lack of executive power in our country makes governors look like not needed. Governors do however need to execute the laws proposed by congress <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  19:14, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not nearly enough. Governors can only edit pages in the state, but we need a governor to be able to make laws and establish an identity for their state. I really support democracy (but i'm not against the monarchy) and feel states with power and a council will really achieve more than the present system ever can. Horton11 20:44, October 30, 2010 (UTC)