User:Semyon/Lana

A chat archive for the benefit of me and 4kant.

Health warning: what follows is rather takaviki.

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Welcome to the Wikination chat TheMaster001 has joined the chat. 1:51 TheMaster001 Hello 4kant,6 has joined the chat. 1:52 4kant,6 Vyqir! 1:53 Semyon Sakar! Hello, TM001 Horton11 has joined the chat. 1:53 Horton11 hey 1:53 Semyon I feel I should probably stop editing soon 1:53 Horton11 Bun jurno! you shouldn't   in fact, you should consider more editing :P 1:54 TheMaster001 Why, Semion? (Šön moorgen) *Semyon, sorry 1:54 4kant,6 Is that a takavíhki Germanic conlang? :P 1:55 TheMaster001 Yeah http://conlang.wikia.com/wiki/Lecrotian 1:56 Semyon Conlang game: start with Latin, each person takes turns to propose a sound change :P stop when it gets too takaviki:P 1:57 4kant,6 Quid deberit accidere? :o Nihil? :o 2:00 Horton11 Sorry, no comprender :P 2:00 4kant,6 Habes dictionarium? 2:01 Semyon Habeo 2:01 TheMaster001 Habeo dictionarium 2:02 Horton11 jawohl, ich habe 2:02 4kant,6 Bonus est.   2:02 Semyon dictionarium papyri est :P 2:02 4kant,6 Bonus est vos dictionaros habere :p 2:02 Semyon (wait, you have to say what the sound change is :P ) 2:03 4kant,6 nihil :p anyway I have an idea rather than fronting velars before front vowels 2:03 Semyon idea bona est?   2:03 4kant,6 we back them before back vowels :p 2:03 Semyon Ugh 2:03 4kant,6 mea idea optima est :p 2:04 Semyon tea idea tacavica est :(   2:04 4kant,6 *tua :p    2:04 Semyon video :P    but yeah, let's start with that :P    2:04 4kant,6 qur dices meam ideam taqaviqam esse?    are we also going to do grammatical changes? :o    Semionus    quid est tua idea?    *semione, vocative è :p    2:06 TheMaster001 (Magister001)    (lol)    2:06 Semyon not yet :P    2:06 4kant,6 tibi non est idea? :o    2:08 Semyon tua idea taqaviqa est, kvod uvulari taqaviki sunt    2:08 4kant,6 Credes linguam Bureniam taqaviqam esse? :( 2:09 Semyon credo 2:09 4kant,6 :(   nunc doleo :( 2:10 Semyon ok - my change: nasalisation of vowels preceding nasals, then loss of the nasals. :P 2:10 4kant,6 nũc nõ doleo :o 2:11 Semyon skio :o 2:12 4kant,6 Next one: long vowels all become short. We weren't making that distinction anyway :p TheMaster001 has left the chat. 2:13 Semyon probo 2:13 4kant,6 anyway what happens to intervocalic nasals? :o are they kept? 2:15 Semyon nõ habet bõus est :o 2:15 4kant,6 h disappears :o 2:16 Semyon hey, it was my turn :(   2:16 4kant,6 sorry :p    2:16 Semyon h --> velar fricative :p    2:16 4kant,6 :p    nasal vowels all merge into ã    2:17 Semyon :o    stops prior to ã are nasalised :p    2:17 4kant,6 mãus :p    2:18 Semyon We should have a text which we update after each change    2:18 4kant,6 nasals prior to a are denasalised :p    agreed :p    what text shall we use? :o    2:19 Semyon but yes, mulnã mãus :p    2:19 4kant,6 skio :p    2:19 Semyon Lorã ipsã? :p    2:19 4kant,6 mãus :p    2:20 Semyon nã lanãnã est    2:20 4kant,6 *da ladada est :p    (ignore stupid comment)    2:20 Horton11 k, all this weird linguestics is too much    2:21 Semyon is that a joke?    2:21 Horton11 I'm leaving    2:21 Semyon nooo :( 2:21 4kant,6 :(   2:21 Semyon I don't recall a n --> d change    2:21 4kant,6 only before oral /a/ :o    2:21 Horton11 speak a normal language, even Barzuna or Oceana and I might just stay a bit longer    if not, tschau!    2:22 Semyon Tschau Hoto    2:22 4kant,6 nostrã dijålekt lanãae normalus est :o    2:22 Semyon *Khornã :p    OK - which text to use?    it only needs to be a couple of sentences    Horton11 has left the chat.    2:23 4kant,6 let's take a random article from latin wp :p    2:24 Semyon 'nasals prior to a are denasalised' - I missed this, sorry    2:24 4kant,6 Romulus est conditor mythicus urbis Romae. Secundum fabulam ab historicis et poetis Romanis traditam, fuit filius dei Martis et vestalis Rheae Silvae, geminus Remi frater, rex Romanus primus. Per Rheam Silviam regibus Albanis ortus erat.    2:25 Semyon ok, let's list each change one by one    2:25 4kant,6 Uvularisation: 2:25 Semyon uvularificatsia: 2:26 4kant,6 Romulus est qonditor mythiqus urbis Romae. Sequndum fabulam ab historicis et poetis Romanis traditam, fuit filius dei Martis et vestalis Rheae Silviae, geminus Remi frater, rex Romanus primus. Per Rheam Silviam regibus Albanis ortus erat. Did I miss any? 2:28 Semyon Romulus est qonditor mitiqus urbis Romae. Sequndum fabulam ab historikis et poetis Romanis traditam, fuit filius dei Martis et vestalis Reae Silviae, geminus Remi frater, rex Romanus primus. Per Ream Silviam regibus Albanis ortus erat. I replaced c with k, and got rid of the Greeky spelling things 2:28 4kant,6 :p now you can do your nasalisation thing :o 2:29 Semyon *scrolls up* :p OK   Rãmulus est qãnditor mitiqus urbis Rãmae. Seqãndãm fabulãm ab historikis et poetis Rãmãnis traditãm, fuit filius dei Martis et vestalis Reae Silviae, gãmãnus Rãmi frater, rex Rãmãnus prãmãs. Per Reãm Silviãm regibus Albãnis ortus erat. I did one of yours at the same time 2:31 4kant,6 Mãus 2:31 Semyon the h --> velar change doesn't affect the orthography 2:31 4kant,6 anyway didn't intervocalic nasals disappear? :p as in mãus :p 2:32 Semyon Ah yeah, I forgot to remove the nasals My bad :p 2:32 4kant,6 tsss... :p 2:33 Semyon Rãulus est qãditor mitiqus urbis Rãae. Seqãndã fabulã ab historikis et poetis Rããis traditã, fuit filius dei Martis et vestalis Reae Silviae, gããus Rãi frater, rex Rããus prããs. Per Reã Silviã regibus Albãis ortus erat. Rããus = :o 2:34 4kant,6 :p 2:34 Semyon now (de)nasalization of consonants 2:34 4kant,6 i'll do it :p TheMaster001 has joined the chat. 2:34 Semyon ok   Hi TM001 Our Romance dialect is now called lanãnã :P 2:35 4kant,6 Rãulus est nqãditor mitiqus urbis Rãae. Sengãdã fabulã ab historikis et poetis Rããis tradinã, fuit filius dei Bartis et vestalis Reae Silviae, ngããus Rãi frater, rex Rããus prããs. Per Reã Silviã regibus Albãis ortus erat. *Lanãã :p 2:36 TheMaster001 Interesting, Semyon 2:36 Semyon Ah yeah, what 4kant said 2:36 4kant,6 I assumed we won't distinguish /ŋ/ and /ɴ/ :p 2:36 Semyon That seems like a good assumption :P 2:37 4kant,6 And we should do something about those takavíhki vowel clusters :p It's your turn, so do something :p 2:37 Semyon verã est 2:38 4kant,6 and I see I wrote "nqãditor" instead of "ngãditor" :(   2:38 Semyon Yes, that confused and horrified me a little    2:39 4kant,6 /nq/ would indeed be a horrible cluster :o    2:39 TheMaster001 Of course it would    2:39 Semyon OK, vowel clusters simplified for first element of the cluster    2:40 4kant,6 apply it to the text :p    2:40 Semyon BUT if the second is rounded the new vowel is also rounded    2:40 4kant,6 :p    2:40 Semyon I will    Can we also do some orthographic simplification?    2:40 4kant,6 sure :p    2:40 Semyon ae --> aj, mainly    2:41 4kant,6 :p    2:41 Semyon What's the best way to depict a front rounded nasalised vowel? :P    Or should we just keep it as ã and pretend the nasal-vowel-combining change happened later? :o    2:43 4kant,6 where would this front rounded nasal vowel come from anyway? :o    2:43 Semyon Rãulus    2:43 4kant,6 let's round that to õ :p 2:43 Semyon OK   2:44 4kant,6 I just noticed another mistake: sengãdã should of course be sengãnã :p 2:45 TheMaster001 "Rãulus est ngãditor mitiqus urbis Rãae. Sengãnã fabulã ab historikis et poetis Rããis tradinã, fuit filius dei Bartis et vestalis Reae Silviae, ngããus Rãi frater, rex Rããus prããs. Per Reã Silviã regibus Albãis ortus erat." Wow 2:46 4kant,6 We're waiting for Sãiãus :p 2:47 Semyon Rõlus est ngãditor mitiqus urbis Rãj. Sengãnã fabulã ab historikis et potis Rãs tradinã, füt fils de Bartis et vestalis Rej Silvij, ngõs Rã frater, rex Rõs prãs. Per Re Silvi regibus Albãs ortus erat. I *think* Rõlus est ngãditor mitiqus urbis Rãj. Sengãnã fabulã ab historikis et potis Rãs tradinã, füt filüs de Bartis et vestalis Rej Silvij, ngõs Rã frater, rex Rõs prãs. Per Re Silvi regibus Albãs ortus erat. Sorry, filüs Horton11 has joined the chat. 2:48 4kant,6 Vyqir! 2:48 Semyon Rõlus est ngãditor mitiqus urbis Rãj. Sengãnã fabulã ab historikis et potis Rãs tradinã, füt filüs de Bartis et vestalis Rej Silvij, ngõs Rã frater, reks Rõs prãs. Per Re Silvi regibus Albãs ortus erat. *x --> ks* Someone else's turn. TM001? Sakar Horton! 2:50 TheMaster001 Hm... 2:51 Semyon The macrons indicate nasality, btw 2:51 TheMaster001 I know 2:51 4kant,6 *tildes :p thēsē ārē mācrōns :p 2:52 Semyon In chat, they're showing as macrons for me   2:52 4kant,6 bultus taqaviqus est :p 2:53 Horton11 Semyon, you might wanna remove File:Affiche Vianne-Lesgordes.png from Lovia I accidentally posted it   2:56 4kant,6 TM001, do you have an idea? If not I have one 2:57 TheMaster001 Nope No idea... 2:58 4kant,6 Then I'll post mine Vowels in unstressed medial syllables are dropped, followed by assimilation of the consonants Updated text: 3:00 Semyon That's nice 3:00 4kant,6 Rõlus est ngãttor mitqus urbis Rãj. Sennã fablã ab historkis et potis Rãs trannã, füt filüs de Bartis et vestalis Rej Silvij, ngõs Rã frater, reks Rõs prãs. Per Re Silvi rebbus Albãs ortus erat. Someone else's turn :p *miqqus :o 3:06 Semyon (r/l)C --> C(r/l), where C is any consonant I don't know if I've described it well, but Slavic languages have it   3:07 4kant,6 I get it :p 3:07 Semyon actually, no they don't   But what I said first is what I want :p 3:08 4kant,6 Rõlus est ngãttor miqqus ubris Rãj. Sennã fablã ab histokris et potis Rãs trannã, füt filüs de Batris et vestalis Rej Silvij, ngõs Rã frater, reks Rõs prãs. Per Re Silvi rebbus Ablãs otrus erat. 3:08 Semyon Yeah, that's it. Thanks I don't really like to think of the effect all this has had on the morphology 3:09 4kant,6 Nasal vowels lose their nasality :P 3:09 Semyon OK, let's start to make some grammatical changes too 3:10 4kant,6 Rolus est ngattor miqqus ubris Raj. Senna fabla ab histokris et potis Ras tranna, füt filüs de Batris et vestalis Rej Silvij, ngos Ra frater, reks Ros pras. Per Re Silvi rebbus Ablas otrus erat. 3:11 Semyon If my next change was all final consonants --> nihil, would you be sadified? :P 3:11 4kant,6 let's first see how the current changes have affected the morphology :p Classical: rosa rosae rosae rosam rosa rosae rosarum rosis rosas rosis Lana: 3:12 Semyon some things will be really takaviki 3:12 4kant,6 rosa rosaj rosaj rosa rosa TheMaster001 has left the chat. 3:12 4kant,6 rosaj rorra rosis rosas rosis Classical: dominus domini domino dominum domino domini dominorum dominis dominos dominis nos na na na na   na nara nas nas nas :p 3:14 Horton11 na na na na, reminds me of some 60s songs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etlD8gF8okI 3:14 4kant,6 Classical: bellum belli bello bellum bello bella bellorum bellis bella bellis Lana: bella belli bello bella bello bella berra bellis bella bellis Semyon, I think it's safe to drop final consonants :p Classical: 3:16 Semyon Proposal: go ahead with the Romanian-style final consonant removal 3:16 Horton11 yeah, that's enough pseudo-latin I'm leaving 3:16 4kant,6 :(   3:16 Semyon --> last remnants of case system destroyed    --> introduce new case system :P    3:16 4kant,6 rex regis regi regem rege    reges regum regibus reges regibus    Lana:    3:16 Horton11 adeus, todes    3:16 4kant,6 reks regis regis renga rege    houdoe    reges renga rebbus reges rebbus    Classical:    3:17 Semyon Realistically, a case isn't going to be preserved in plurals only    3:17 4kant,6 nomen nominis nomini nomen nomine    nomina nominum nominibus nomina nominibus    klýxef :p    Lana:    na nas na na na    3:18 Semyon Hm :P    Horton11 has left the chat.    3:18 4kant,6 na na nabus na nabus :p    a bit too similar to "dominus" :p    Classical:    portus portus portui portum portu    3:19 Semyon Maybe they start reborrowing words from Classical Latin?    3:19 4kant,6 portus portuus portibus portus portibus    or from Swedish :p    3:19 Semyon Ha :p 3:20 4kant,6 (portuus should apparently be portuum) Lana: potrus potrus potru ponra potru 3:20 Semyon Perhaps from Arabic? That could be interesting We could introduce pharyngeals, too. :P 3:21 4kant,6 potrus ponra pobbrus potrus pobbrus :p I think we should drop the nominal declensions altogether :p 3:21 Semyon Yes stupidi sat ponra pobbrus potrus pobbrus :p 3:22 4kant,6 voco vocas vocat vocamus vocatis vocant 3:22 Semyon oh dear 3:22 4kant,6 :o Lana: voqo voqas voqat vongas vottis vongat looks like fun :p Happy65 has joined the chat. 3:23 Semyon there could be some regularisation 3:23 4kant,6 especially if final consonants are dropped :p Vyqir! Will Lana happify Happy? :p 3:24 Semyon voqo voqas voqat voqas voqis voqat Horton11 has joined the chat. 3:24 Semyon Drop the finals! Sakar! 3:24 Horton11 Happyus Sixtyfivus! 3:24 4kant,6 voqo voqa voqa voqa voqi voqa let's make them all the same :p 3:25 Semyon OK, what was our text about Romulus again? :P 3:25 Horton11 what's up? 3:25 4kant,6 Rolus est ngattor miqqus ubris Raj. Senna fabla ab histokris et potis Ras tranna, füt filüs de Batris et vestalis Rej Silvij, ngos Ra frater, reks Ros pras. Per Re Silvi rebbus Ablas otrus erat. 3:25 Happy65 Well Yesterday when you left chat, we started planning a Lovian population boost to 400,000 So I'm planning a new town 3:26 4kant,6 Rolu e ngatto miqqu ubri Ra. Senna fabla a histokri e poti Ra tranna, fü filü de Batri e vestali Re Silvi, ngo Ra frate, re Ro pra. Pe Re Silvi rebbu Abla otru era. 3:26 Horton11 didn't you already make one? 3:26 Semyon Rõlu est ngãtto miqqu ubri Rãj. Sennã fablã ab histokri e poti Rã trannã, fü filü de Batri et vestali Rej Silvij, ngõ Rã frate, re Rõ prã. Pe Re Silvi rebbu Ablã otru era 3:26 Horton11 in Kungs *Kings 3:26 Semyon Ah, whoops I interpret the j as being part of a diphthong so didn't drop it   3:27 Happy65 Nope horton I haven't made any 3:27 4kant,6 Let's keep it :p 3:27 Happy65 I'm planning for one in Kings 3:27 4kant,6 to keep the words at least a little distinct :p 3:27 Semyon Rolu e ngatto miqqu ubri Ra. Senna fabla a histokri e poti Ra tranna, fü filü de Batri e vestali Rej Silvij, ngo Ra frate, re Ro pra. Pe Re Silvi rebbu Abla otru era. 3:27 4kant,6 Anyway, let's have a look at other verb forms: 3:27 Semyon I actually quite like that :P 3:28 4kant,6 vocabam vocabas vocabat vocabamus vocabatis vocabant vomma vomma vomma vommo vommati vomma 3:29 Semyon hahahahahahahaha :P 3:29 4kant,6 regularised to "vomma" :p 3:29 Horton11 oh yeah, twas a neighborhood 3:29 4kant,6 it all sounds like "vomit", I know :p And the perfect: vocavi vocavisti vocavit vocavimus vocavistis vocaverunt voqvi voqvisti voqvit voqvos voqvisti voqvera regularised to voqvi :p voqa - vomma - voqvi :o let's simplify that further: present voqa - past voqi :p