Forum:Sylvania State Council

In Sylvania, the State Council is the legislative body that can change and alter the State Constitution and State Law. They meet in the Sylvania State Capitol in the forum and the building also houses the other various departments of the State Government including the offices of the State Governor, State Judge, Sylvania First Minister and Speaker. While the forum is not open to the public, Sylvanians are encouraged to get in touch with their locally elected Representatives and Senators. For current Sylvanian State Council compositions, see this.

A round of the State Council starts when a bill is proposed in the Council of Representatives when this happens, no other bills may be proposed until the round is over. The round is divided into a week of debate, four days of voting in the Council of Representatives and then three days of voting in the Senate. During the week of debate members may propose amendments to the bill. During the week of voting the bill may not be altered and members may vote on whether to pass the bill. Each member has one vote each and may cast it in favour of the bill or against it or not cast it at all, only cast votes are counted. If a bill passes through the Council of Representatives but not through the Senate, the Council of representatives may bypass the Senate through another round of voting excluding the Senate with the round lasting four days but in the case of veto's by the Governor, the Senate may not be bypassed.

Majorities needed to pass bills:
 * State Constitution
 * Two-thirds majority in the Council of Representatives, Two-thirds majority in the Senate then enshrinement in Law by Governor
 * If Senate Refuses Bill
 * Three-fourths majority in the Council of Representatives then enshrinement in Law by Governor
 * If Governor Vetoes Bill
 * Bill is refused
 * If Governor Vetoes Bill
 * Three-fourths majority in the Council of Representatives, Three-fourths majority in the Senate
 * If Senate Refuses Bill
 * Bill is refused


 * State Law
 * One-half majority in the Council of Representatives, One-half majority in the Senate then enshrinement in Law by Governor
 * If Senate Refuses Bill
 * Two-thirds majority in the Council of Representatives then enshrinement in Law by Governor
 * If Governor Vetoes Bill
 * Bill is refused
 * If Governor Vetoes Bill
 * Two-thirds majority in the Council of Representatives, Two-thirds majority in the Senate
 * If Senate Refuses Bill
 * Bill is refused

People allowed in the Forum:
 * Governor: Lukas Hoffmann (User:Kunarian)
 * Deputy Governor: Marcus Villanova (User:Crystalbeastdeck09)
 * Judge of Sylvania: Jorge Martin (User:Pikapi)
 * All Councillors of the State (CotS)

Debate: Starting 2nd August, Ending 8th August
We have to sort out the organisation of the current State Council which is the 49th Sylvania State Council. The positions of Speaker and First Minister have to be assigned and we generally just need to get used to operating under this current system.

The position of First Minister is almost the same as Prime Minister, they are the leader of the council.

The position of Speaker has the roles of ensuring proper format and manage the debates of the council.

Joseph Fletcher's Proposal (CNP leader in the Sylvania State Council)
 * First Minister
 * Joseph Fletcher (User:Kunarian)
 * Speaker
 * Djeko Vasilyev (User:77topaz)

First of all I believe that a CNP First Minister is logical, we got the most seats in the actual election and we have made plans to work forwards in the short time this Council will be sitting. We also propose that a GP member be put in the position of speaker, as they could highly be considered a middle ground party and are in reasonably good relations with all parties and so can be a good mediator. While it might have been good to give PL a position so that they can reboot themselves, the Governor and Deputy have agreed to put a PL member in control of the position of Judge of Sylvania. This proposal also allows the left and right to be represented in the important offices of the State.

We are welcome to debate other ideas and we hope that we can build upon this proposal and ensure that a majority of Representatives can agree to this. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 11:19, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Wasn't there a "formal/informal" CCPL-CNP coalition i saw. Actually if you threw PL in there too you'd have exactly twenty, half the seats and pretty much a minority government. I digress, I see no problem with this. Marcus/Michael Villanova 12:46, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes but I feel that once an Oceana State Council becomes established, they will have more than enough representation although should costello or topaz fall inactive for whatever reason (unlikely me thinks) then we can put Wabba into their corresponding positions as I feel he is harshly under represented in the Council of Representatives (only having one representative seat and two senate seats). I'm glad you find this reasonable. Hoffmann LogoCNP2.png Kunarian TALK 13:01, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I don't think Oceana has anything to do with a Sylvanian coalition. The only reason why CCPL is that large, is because he haven't held elections yet (and actually, CCPL is just six out of twenty-five seats large, 24%) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:30, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * True, very true. I can't wait to see them arrive to be honest! Hoffmann LogoCNP2.png Kunarian TALK 15:34, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I only found these few months too little to start elections. And I want to do the Oceana elections different, more locally based :) But I still need time to figure out what I want exactly :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:09, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's good :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:15, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad, now we just really need to hear the opinions of PL, GP and UL! Hoffmann LogoCNP2.png Kunarian TALK 15:03, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Joseph Fletcher's Agenda

Seeming as this seems to be reasonably decided who would like to form a coalition and agree on an agenda?


 * August
 * Open for writing of laws and to allow time for people to get used to the system


 * September
 * Deadline to pass Public Services Act


 * October
 * Deadline to pass State Education Act
 * Begin round about possible improvements to electoral system

It's simple and allows space for other things, you may have noticed I left off the Commercial Activity act I have proposed, this is because I feel that it isn't as important as the other two and we might be pressed for time with just them on the board. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 15:22, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

I hope everyone is ready to vote! Tomorrow it begins! :D Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 11:43, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

CLOSED

Council of Representatives Voting: Starting 9th August, Ending 12th August
Proposal to vote upon
 * First Minister
 * Joseph Fletcher (User:Kunarian)
 * Speaker
 * Djeko Vasilyev (User:77topaz)

In favour Against
 * 11 votes - Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 02:42, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3 votes Marcus/Michael Villanova 03:10, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6 votes. 77topaz (talk) 04:02, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6 votes. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:48, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1 vote Wabba The I (talk) 09:44, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * None

27 in favour and none against, the proposal is passed through the Council of Representatives with 100% in favour

CLOSED

Governor Enshrinement: N/A to this vote
The new First Minister is Joseph Fletcher of the Conservative Nationalist Party and the new Speaker of the Council is Djeko Vasilyev of the Green Party!

Debate: Starting 6th September, Ending 13th September
Public Services Act
 * Article 1 - Sylvanian Healthcare Service
 * The Sylvanian Healthcare Service shall be established by the Sylvania State Government.
 * The Sylvanian Healthcare Service shall ensure that every Sylvanian has access to affordable Healthcare and shall look for ways to improve healthcare in Sylvania and ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
 * The Sylvanian Healthcare Service shall be run as part of a department of the Sylvania State Government and shall work towards its lawful aims.
 * A company can be considered under the Sylvanian Healthcare Service if it receives any funding from the Sylvania State Government.
 * All local governments will receive a yearly funding from the State Government for the provision of medical centres.
 * The funding shall be allocated to the local government, which shall spend the allocated funding on a single medical centre.
 * Each local government shall receive funding per head for the amount of people living under its jurisdiction according to the most recent census.
 * There is a minimum funding requirement based on the combined minimum funding requirement for major settlements that lie in the local governments jurisdiction. Should the amount of funding that would be given under the per head quota be below the minimum funding requirement then funding equal to the minimum funding requirement is given instead.
 * The current funding per head is L$750.
 * A settlement is considered a major settlement if it is classified as a village, town or city in the National Settlement Order.
 * Each city has a minimum funding requirement of L$30,000,000.
 * Each town has a minimum funding requirement of L$6,000,000.
 * Each village has a minimum funding requirement of L$2,000,000.
 * Extra funding may be allocated to the local government for the same purposes at the discretion of the Governor with consent from the Deputy Governor.
 * It shall be a responsibility of the companies under the Sylvanian Healthcare Service to ensure that certain standards are met concerning the service they shall provide and how they are run.
 * Companies must be not for profit organisations that do not trade shares publicly.
 * Companies may not charge inhabitants for treatments provided or accept lump sum donations above L$500.
 * Companies may charge non-inhabitants that are Lovian citizens up to L$750 a year for treatments.
 * Companies may charge non-inhabitants that are not Lovian citizens up to L$7500 a year for treatments.
 * Companies may not delay treatment to acquire information about whether a patient is an inhabitant or not, this may only be done after treatment.
 * It must be the aim of companies under the Sylvanian Healthcare Service to serve its patients primarily instead of shareholders.
 * The wealth or insurance of an individual may not be taken into account when allocating treatment, primacy shall be given to those with the worst and life threatening ailments.
 * Patients must not be allowed to wait more than six months for treatment.
 * No governments; local, state or national; may own a majority share in any company that operates under the Sylvanian Healthcare Service.
 * This applies to the members and employees of said governments as well.
 * The Sylvanian Healthcare Service must establish a healthcare board for each company under the Sylvanian Healthcare Service to critique the companies that are providing services under it.
 * A healthcare board must be made up of paid members that have extensive knowledge in healthcare and are not in anyway related, socially or corporately, to the owners of the company or the company itself.
 * Article 2 - Sylvanian Fire Service
 * The Sylvanian Fire Service shall be established by the Sylvania State Government.
 * The Sylvanian Fire Service shall ensure that every Sylvanian is protected from natural dangers and shall look for ways to improve said protection in Sylvania as well as raise awareness of common natural dangers in Sylvania and ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
 * The Sylvanian Fire Service shall be run as part of a department of the Sylvania State Government and shall work towards its lawful aims.
 * A company can be considered under the Sylvanian Fire Service if it receives any funding from the Sylvania State Government.
 * All local governments will receive a yearly funding from the State Government for the provision of fire stations.
 * The funding shall be allocated to the local government, which shall spend the allocated funding on fire stations.
 * Each local government shall receive funding per head for the amount of people living under its jurisdiction according to the most recent census.
 * There is a minimum funding requirement based on the combined minimum funding requirement for major settlements that lie in the local governments jurisdiction. Should the amount of funding that would be given under the per head quota be below the minimum funding requirement then funding equal to the minimum funding requirement is given instead.
 * The current funding per head is L$150.
 * A settlement is considered a major settlement if it is classified as a village, town or city in the National Settlement Order.
 * Each city has a minimum funding requirement of L$7,500,000.
 * Each town has a minimum funding requirement of L$1,500,000.
 * Each village has a minimum funding requirement of L$500,000.
 * Extra funding may be allocated to the local government for the same purposes at the discretion of the Governor with consent from the Deputy Governor.
 * Natural dangers must be addressed with primacy being given to the one that threatens the most lives first.
 * The Sylvanian Fire Service must ensure that it spends part of its budget on raising awareness and prevention of natural dangers.
 * It shall be the role of the Sylvanian Government to establish a state owned company to ensure that a service to address the needs of the Sylvanian people concerning protection from natural dangers is established.
 * Article 3 - Sylvanian Waste Service
 * The Sylvanian Waste Service shall be established by the Sylvania State Government.
 * The Sylvanian Waste Service shall ensure that every Sylvanian receives proper waste, refuse and recycling services and shall look for ways to improve said services in Sylvania as well as work towards increasing recycling in Sylvania and ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
 * The Sylvanian Waste Service shall be run as part of a department of the Sylvania State Government and shall work towards its lawful aims.
 * A company can be considered under the Sylvanian Waste Service if it receives any funding from the Sylvania State Government.
 * All local governments will receive a yearly funding from the State Government for the provision of waste centres.
 * The funding shall be allocated to the local government, which shall spend the allocated funding on waste centres.
 * Each local government shall receive funding per head for the amount of people living under its jurisdiction according to the most recent census.
 * There is a minimum funding requirement based on the combined minimum funding requirement for major settlements that lie in the local governments jurisdiction. Should the amount of funding that would be given under the per head quota be below the minimum funding requirement then funding equal to the minimum funding requirement is given instead.
 * The current funding per head is L$125.
 * A settlement is considered a major settlement if it is classified as a village, town or city in the National Settlement Order.
 * Each city has a minimum funding requirement of L$6,000,000.
 * Each town has a minimum funding requirement of L$1,200,000.
 * Each village has a minimum funding requirement of L$400,000.
 * Extra funding may be allocated to the local government for the same purposes at the discretion of the Governor with consent from the Deputy Governor.
 * It shall be a responsibility of the companies under the Sylvania Waste Service to ensure that certain standards are met concerning the service they shall provide.
 * Companies must maximise the amount of waste they recycle within their means.
 * It shall be the role of the Sylvanian Government to establish a state owned company to ensure that a service to address the needs of the Sylvanian people concerning waste, refuse and recycling is established.
 * Article 4 - Sylvanian Water Service
 * The Sylvanian Water Service shall be established by the Sylvania State Government.
 * The Sylvanian Water Service shall ensure that every Sylvanian receives cleaning, purification and supply of water services and shall look for ways to improve said services in Sylvania and ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
 * The Sylvanian Water Service shall be run as part of a department of the Sylvania State Government and shall work towards its lawful aims.
 * A company can be considered under the Sylvanian Water Service if it receives any funding from the Sylvania State Government.
 * All local governments will receive a yearly funding from the State Government for the provision of water supply centres.
 * The funding shall be allocated to the local government, which shall spend the allocated funding on water supply centres.
 * Each local government shall receive funding per head for the amount of people living under its jurisdiction according to the most recent census.
 * There is a minimum funding requirement based on the combined minimum funding requirement for major settlements that lie in the local governments jurisdiction. Should the amount of funding that would be given under the per head quota be below the minimum funding requirement then funding equal to the minimum funding requirement is given instead.
 * The current funding per head is L$335.
 * A settlement is considered a major settlement if it is classified as a village, town or city in the National Settlement Order.
 * Each city has a minimum funding requirement of L$15,000,000.
 * Each town has a minimum funding requirement of L$3,000,000.
 * Each village has a minimum funding requirement of L$1,000,000.
 * Extra funding may be allocated to the local government for the same purposes at the discretion of the Governor with consent from the Deputy Governor.
 * It shall be a responsibility of the companies under the Sylvania Water Service to ensure that certain standards are met concerning the service they shall provide.
 * Companies must provide for all their customers clean drinkable water. (to come into force 1st September 2015)
 * Companies must provide for all their customers running water and a means of having hot water. (to come into force 1st September 2015)
 * There shall be a limitation on the chemicals or substances that may be put into purified tap water by companies operating under the Sylvania Water Service.
 * Any chemicals or substances that over a short or long period of time affect the personal disposition to any noticeable degree or negatively affect the health of an individual may not be added to water in an amount that may cause such affects over a short or long period.
 * It shall be the responsibility of the Sylvanian Government to set up a Sylvanian Water Board which shall make precise limitations on chemicals and substances and which shall ensure proper regulation of water.
 * It shall be the responsibility of inspectors employed by the Sylvanian Water Board to regularly ensure that no water has chemicals above limitations within it.
 * It shall be the role of the Sylvanian Government to establish a state owned company to ensure that a service to address the needs of the Sylvanian people concerning cleaning, purification and supply of water is established.
 * Article 5 - Private Initiatives and Competition
 * Private companies may also provide public services in the place of state owned companies in certain areas.
 * Companies must be evaluated by inspectors from the Sylvanian Government to ensure they meet requirements.
 * The requirements for private companies that wish to provide public services are as follows.
 * They must be considered to treat employees to a good standard and there must be no abuse of employees rights in their history.
 * They must provide services to a high standard and must be able to prove that they put customers at the forefront of their interests.
 * They must prove that stakeholders are treated as equally or more importantly than shareholders by their company.
 * No governments; local, state or national; may own a majority share in any company that operates under the public services. This applies to the members and employees of said governments as well.
 * Private companies that provide public services must be correctly regulated by the Sylvanian Government.
 * They must allow a full time inspector to regulate them on a daily basis.
 * They must adhere to any requirements that a company under any public service would have to.
 * They must provide access to detailed company records and information to the inspectors.
 * Private companies that provide public services should practice competition, as long as it is not detrimental to customers.
 * The assigned full time inspectors will assess bi-annually in a report to the Governor, whether a company is correctly practising competition and recommend steps to be taken if it is not correctly practising competition to ensure that it does.
 * Article 6 - Illegalities
 * An illegality may be committed if any of the following occur.
 * A local government incorrectly spends money that was allocated to it.
 * A company under a certain service fail to meet certain standards as defined in law.
 * A company fails to meet its lawful aims or directives.
 * A company overcharges a customer as defined in law.
 * A company adds chemicals beyond the limits as defined by the Sylvanian Water Board.
 * A company fails to allow proper access according to law to an inspector.
 * A company fails to meet its requirements to provide public services.
 * A company resists regulation.
 * An inspector fails to correctly carry out their lawful function.
 * A government, member or employee of a government owns a majority share in a company under the public services.
 * Illegalities committed may be punished in the following manners.
 * Illegalities committed by a local government may be punished by imprisonment of the local government members for up to 5 years, by a fine of a reasonable amount or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit, as well as eviction from the local government in question. Preference should be shown towards a fine as punishment.
 * Illegalities committed by a company may be punished by imprisonment of the owners or responsible employees for up to 5 years, by a fine of a reasonable amount or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit, as well as the seizure or nullification of shares in the concerned company provided that the owner of said shares committed a serious offence that proves their inability to reasonably decide on company policy as determined by the judge.
 * Illegalities committed by an inspector may be punished by imprisonment for up to 5 years, by a fine up to L$5,000 or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit, as well as restriction from working for a government within Sylvania. Preference should be shown towards restriction from working for a government within Sylvania and a fine as punishment.
 * Illegalities committed by a government, member or employee of a government may be punished by imprisonment for up to 5 years, by a fine up to a reasonable amount or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit, as well as restriction from working for a government within Sylvania or the seizure or nullification of shares in the concerned company to bring ownership levels back into lawful means. Preference should be shown towards restriction from working for a government within Sylvania and a seizure or nullification of shares as punishment.

This act will be placed in the public law book of the Sylvanian State Law.

I am literally beginning the construction of this bill, I think constructive criticism as it is written will help it quickly develop into a fully fledged and proper bill which we can all confidently pass into law. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 14:41, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

It's good to see a State Council Forum up and running! I didn't know it existed as I was away when you started it. Let me know when I can come and vote :) Frijoles333 / Marcel Cebara (talk) 14:45, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Healthcare now :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:43, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good, also I've just made a small change to the act concerning healthcare. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 11:56, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Still pro though :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:58, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good, then we'll just have to wait for comments from other Councillors. Until then I'll get to work on the other parts of the bill. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 12:00, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm finding the IC debate a bit hard to read at the moment, as there are no "distinguishing features" such as links or signatures anywhere, and it's also hard to tell which user said what. 77topaz (talk) 05:02, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope I've just made it a bit clearer. Also you can find out who said what by looking on the Sylvania State Councillor Order, I'd prefer not to have signatures because it will otherwise it makes it about users and takes it out of character again. Just act as your characters and play it out. Also as Speaker your character Djeko (who you shouldn't use for IC debate because the speaker is supposed to be non-partisan) can do things such as:
 * Call for retractions of insults and keep discipline and order amongst the Councillors
 * Call for a special session of debate whereby questions are asked to the main sponsor of the bill (a bit like prime ministers/ministers questions)
 * Call for a certain Councillor to give their opinion
 * Also if you feel you're having trouble responding to the debate, you should just choose one of your characters to enter the debate with and give your opinion through that character (you can even build upon your characters character by this by giving them a specific opinion). Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 06:36, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

In Character Debate

Here just in case anyone wants to have a bit of fun and have one or some or all of their Councillors say something about the bill. :) Remember to write in with speech marks and sign who has said what. I'll start off:

8th September Debate

"I'd like to commend this bill to the chamber, while it is currently under construction within this house we hope that by constructing it in this house we may better be able to ensure that this is a proper and full bill that we can all support. The aims of this bill are to legislate for the establishment of a healthcare service for Sylvania, legislate for the establishment of a fire service for Sylvania, legislate for the establishment of waste disposal and treatment service for Sylvania, legislate for the establishment of a water treatment service for Sylvania and to legislate for the provision for private companies to take over the services in certain areas with due supervision and regulation. The current sponsors of this bill are Karl Kameron, Lionnel Barrot, Phillipe Chatel, Michel Graaf, Aart Maes, Pieter Jansen, Jonathan Walker, Wolfgang Krone, Heinrich Kohl, Paul Miller and myself." - Joseph Fletcher

"CCPL understands the need for this act. However, concerning health care, payments per settlement are not the way to do so. Every inhabitant of Sylvania has got the right to equal health care treatment. Therefore, CCPL is supportive of a system in which each inhabitant gets an equal share. CCPL proposes that the payments for health care, should not be payed to settlements, but to districts instead. Each district will be receiving an equal amount of money for every inhabitant within the district." - Georg Plemming

"As a social democrat, it is wonderful to see the foundation of a universal health care service for Sylvania. It is also excellent to see politicians from across the spectrum supporting the move" - Natalie Davison

"We understand CCPLs concerns however the way this is structured is to give every inhabitant an equal share. Also the payments are not made to settlements but to the Local Governments whom are aligned with the districts, each having a rural and urban district under their jurisdiction. The payments allow each Local Government to maintain a medical centre of some sort in their capital settlement. Villages will have funding to maintain medical clinics, Train Village will be able to maintain a small hospital and Noble City its large and general hospital. This shall be the final effects of the funding. Also the reason we do not wish to do it per head will mean that the entirety of east Sylvania will be left without enough funding for a proper clinic, which is very detrimental, the same situation will occur in Discovery Island District and in Clave Rock. The way we are currently planning to do it will ensure that no Sylvanian has to travel far for good healthcare. Additionally I welcome the comments from UL." - Joseph Fletcher

"You have not convinced us. The same act, containing the line "Extra funding may be allocated to the local government for the same purposes at the discretion of the Governor with consent from the Deputy Governor.", enables the State Government to give extra payments for the purpose of serving the people of Eastern Sylvania, as well as the other more isolated regions." - Georg Plemming

"That line is supposed to make provisions for emergency funding rather than one to be used on a whim. The basic funding method we have placed within the current act is designed to make sure that all major settlements have a proper medical centre according to the costing of the area. Another argument against per head is that more populated areas require less funding because they benefit from industry of scale therefore they require less funding while less populated areas. Due to this we would have to either under fund per head and make up the difference for rural areas afterwards with special funding, which would be bureaucratic and time consuming not to mention medical centres would not have ensured funding, or over fund per head and end up over spending on Noble City although it would give rural areas enough. It is therefore easier to supply each Local Government enough money so that each settlement may have a fully operational medical centre, any specific shortfalls can be addressed by the clause you first pointed out." - Joseph Fletcher

"Still not convinced. I think our state could better invest in better public transport, and trauma helicopters. Also, the Clave Rock issue can be addressed by working with the Oceana authorities in order to create a medical center in East Hills, which is less than 10 km away." - Georg Plemming

"If I may object, helicopters do not solve all problems and public transport is already on the list to be invested in. Specifically however on your suggestions, concerning trauma helicopters, we will have those in Noble City hospital to deal with emergency cases but this health service is not just for emergency cases we must invest in villages so that people can have simple common ailments dealt with somewhere close to them. Concerning working with Oceana authorities, while I welcome the idea of cooperation and moving forwards together I do not feel that it is right to leave Clave Rock without a medical centre. I feel that it would do better to have its own and be able to treat people more locally especially when there are close to 3000 people in the Highlands alone. If you still do not believe that it is best to have the system done the way it is then maybe we should fund Local Governments per head but ensure that they have a minimum amount of funding they must have which is equal to the number of certain settlements they have. So therefore if East Sylvania gets only 800,000 due to the low amount of people in its area, we can say that it is below a required amount of minimum funding and so it will instead recieve a lump sum of 2,000,000, therefore eliminating the bureaucracy and solving both of our parties concerns. I'm sure many of my fellows would agree that this is a good compromise." - Heinrich Kohl

"Please read the system as proposed in Oceana by mr. Ilava. In this system, there will be payed for per head, as well as per medical center; pretty much the same system you proposed. I believe this is a good compromise indeed." - Georg Plemming

"I have just tabled changes. I shall read Mr. Ilavas suggestions, but until then please look at the system that has been proposed in this chamber now. I also am glad he enjoys the idea of the proposed compromise." - Joseph Fletcher

"I'd like to also bring attention to further changes tabled. These ensure that non-inhabitants, which do not contribute to tax in Sylvania, pay for their own care up to a reasonable amount which is needed to better serve our own residents however it does not allow companies to without care until they identify whether someone is an inhabitant or not." - Joseph Fletcher

"Mr. Fletcher, I propose that Sylvania operates a reciprocal healthcare agreement with Lovia's other states, to allow citizens of Sylvania a guarantee of affordable healthcare whilst visiting or residing in other states, and vice versa. I understand that this would require co operation from other states, but I believe that it would offer peace of mind for Sylvanians whilst they are in other states. If this is not possible may I propose that the Sylvanian state government covers the medical costs of Sylvanians who need medical care in other states, funded through state taxes. I believe that this is a nescessary move, as I find the notion that Sylvanians must pay for healthcare in other states within their own country simply unacceptable. It is vital for our states to work together to provide services to their respective citizens, and I cannot think of a better place to start" - Louis Remnick (UL)

"We cannot legislate here for a reciprocal healthcare agreement, that would need to be done in Congress. I would however support a section on assisting paying the costs of medical care for Sylvanians who are inhabitants of the state in other Lovian States. And while I agree we must work together with other states to provide healthcare for Lovians, we must also work in this particular chamber to ensure that Sylvanians are taken care of and have services, Congress is the place where national matters should primarily be considered." - Joseph Fletcher

"Mr. Fletcher, would it not make better sense to simply propose a single public healthcare system in our national congress, to spare the citizens all this inter-state red tape? If someone from Novosevensk would get sick in Sylvania, or a Sylvanian needed medical care in another state, this would make it much easier for the patient to receive his care, and for the medical clinic/hospital to attend them." - Cristove Vianna

"I could not disagree more. We have given or states more freedom, so we could address specific topics, including healthcare, on a local level. The National Government should be there to safeguard, not to regulate." - Georg Plemming

"I would also respectfully disagree with my college, I feel that there are sufficient differences between the states to validate possible difference in the systems. Also the inter-state red tape would not occur under the current system at all. If anything needs to be proposed in Congress it is an agreement that all Lovians should receive assistance from their states to pay their healthcare in other states should the need be there, which is the safeguarding my CCPL friend refers to. Also may I point out that nothing stops anyone from receiving care in Sylvania, you are treated above all other things. Only once someone is treated and healthily recovering is it worked out who they are." - Joseph Fletcher

"Mr. Fletcher, thank you for responding to my proposal. I understand that one state cannot legislate for a reciprocal healthcare agreement, however I find it reassuring that you support assisting Sylvanians who are residents of other states meet the costs of healthcare" - Louis Remnick

"I would like to thank the leader for bringing this list of bills to the floor today, and having the chamber to debate and speak on them. I think as confusing as the CNP always is it can do good when it wants, and insuring each citizen with a good amount of healthcare is the right thing to do, and I will be supporting it! To those claiming this will raise "red tap" they aren't clearly looking at the issue. One has to realize that we have a, I repeat we do have a Naitonal Healtchare Service, just horribly inactive and uncaring Health Ministers have failed to put it into practice. We have money alloted for it in the budget even just not put into place. The action taken today is a good step foward for each Sylvanian to have a better, safer state. I think if the feds can't help, it is the duty of the devolved power to help, and help each citizen. I know we need this law and urge my friends and comrades to supprot it." - Huey Brown

"I'm always a little weary of entitlement programs, such as healthcare. I must admit the Healthcare section is a little vague... I'm curious about sections: 1.1, 3.1, 3.2 and 3.6 of Article 1, and what all of them imply as well as what they are precautions against. Furthermore, regarding the Sylvanian Water Service... how exactly would you be 'enhancing' the water? There are people who are genuinely concerned regarding the nature water enhancements, and I have always been on the fence myself. At least list the substances before you make a proposal. Aside from those concerns, good job." - Serin Acores

"I'm hugely supportive of the entitlement programs to those who deserve it like the hard working lovians across the nation and those who can't affoard it. We have a duty and a soceital obligation to care for all those in our great country and when it comes time to need this healthcare system, its here for everyone and is always top notch. Look around the world, or look a bit close at Clymene who adopted their system first. Citizens happy, people served on demand, and quality service! Hopefully you support this in principle in the same of better quality of lifes for all citizens." - Huey Brown

"I could not agree more with my fellow party member! Support this bill to give every Sylvanian access to world class healthcare, regardless of economic situation. Every citizen, rich and poor, old and young deserves access to this system, and the peace of mind it gives" - Louis Remnick

"I'm very glad to have support from my normally opposing numbers and I welcome the positive comments from all. To address Mrs. Acores concerns, I cannot see any problems in 1.1 unless you go into further detail. With 3.1 is a precaution to ensure that companies that operate under this system are to serve patients and not shareholders and while I understand that companies can serve both shareholders and customers however in this case there must be no doubt, someone's life is not something to make profit from. 3.2 is to ensure that no charges are made as funding shall come from government not the pockets of customer and the latter also no possible corruption can occur which is something that has occurred in other national healthcare systems. 3.6 is to reinforce the earlier point and ensure that even private shareholders must take a back seat and customers the very most front seat. Enhancing? not really, rather more ensuring that every Lovian has clean drinkable tap water, something which isn't currently avaliable here in Lovia, just like in France, if you want clean water then you must go to the store and buy it in a bottle. That is something I thoroughly believe must change. And no, in response to your statement on chemicals, we cannot list all the chemicals, that is handled by the Water Board rather than us having to look up a million chemicals and having to legislate every time we want to add a new one. Also what are these concerns you feel people have about enhancements? I haven't heard any of these myself and would be interested in what point you are raising." - Joseph Fletcher

9th September Debate

"Funding for the Sylvanian Fire Service is now tabled. The amount of course is much lower than the Health Service funding as we find that fire stations would be much cheaper to operate although we do accept that setting up said fire stations would require Governor sanctioned extra funding however each amount of yearly funding is enough to maintain a fire station." - Joseph Fletcher

10th September Debate

"Further amendments have been made so that all funding provisions are now within the legislation. Again starting extra funding would be required to set up these services however after that we would easily find the funding described adequate." - Joseph Fletcher

13th September Debate

"My fellow members, you must forgive me for such a late finalisation of much of this, spare time has been in short supply recently. As you can see we are moving onto defining illegalities and the punishments for such things. I hope that members will continue to support this bill as it moves to representative voting tomorrow." - Joseph Fletcher

CLOSED

Council of Representatives Voting: Starting 14th September, Ending 17th September
Proposal to vote upon Public Services Act
 * Article 1 - Sylvanian Healthcare Service
 * The Sylvanian Healthcare Service shall be established by the Sylvania State Government.
 * The Sylvanian Healthcare Service shall ensure that every Sylvanian has access to affordable Healthcare and shall look for ways to improve healthcare in Sylvania and ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
 * The Sylvanian Healthcare Service shall be run as part of a department of the Sylvania State Government and shall work towards its lawful aims.
 * A company can be considered under the Sylvanian Healthcare Service if it receives any funding from the Sylvania State Government.
 * All local governments will receive a yearly funding from the State Government for the provision of medical centres.
 * The funding shall be allocated to the local government, which shall spend the allocated funding on a single medical centre.
 * Each local government shall receive funding per head for the amount of people living under its jurisdiction according to the most recent census.
 * There is a minimum funding requirement based on the combined minimum funding requirement for major settlements that lie in the local governments jurisdiction. Should the amount of funding that would be given under the per head quota be below the minimum funding requirement then funding equal to the minimum funding requirement is given instead.
 * The current funding per head is L$750.
 * A settlement is considered a major settlement if it is classified as a village, town or city in the National Settlement Order.
 * Each city has a minimum funding requirement of L$30,000,000.
 * Each town has a minimum funding requirement of L$6,000,000.
 * Each village has a minimum funding requirement of L$2,000,000.
 * Extra funding may be allocated to the local government for the same purposes at the discretion of the Governor with consent from the Deputy Governor.
 * It shall be a responsibility of the companies under the Sylvanian Healthcare Service to ensure that certain standards are met concerning the service they shall provide and how they are run.
 * Companies must be not for profit organisations that do not trade shares publicly.
 * Companies may not charge inhabitants for treatments provided or accept lump sum donations above L$500.
 * Companies may charge non-inhabitants that are Lovian citizens up to L$750 a year for treatments.
 * Companies may charge non-inhabitants that are not Lovian citizens up to L$7500 a year for treatments.
 * Companies may not delay treatment to acquire information about whether a patient is an inhabitant or not, this may only be done after treatment.
 * It must be the aim of companies under the Sylvanian Healthcare Service to serve its patients primarily instead of shareholders.
 * The wealth or insurance of an individual may not be taken into account when allocating treatment, primacy shall be given to those with the worst and life threatening ailments.
 * Patients must not be allowed to wait more than six months for treatment.
 * No governments; local, state or national; may own a majority share in any company that operates under the Sylvanian Healthcare Service.
 * This applies to the members and employees of said governments as well.
 * The Sylvanian Healthcare Service must establish a healthcare board for each company under the Sylvanian Healthcare Service to critique the companies that are providing services under it.
 * A healthcare board must be made up of paid members that have extensive knowledge in healthcare and are not in anyway related, socially or corporately, to the owners of the company or the company itself.
 * Article 2 - Sylvanian Fire Service
 * The Sylvanian Fire Service shall be established by the Sylvania State Government.
 * The Sylvanian Fire Service shall ensure that every Sylvanian is protected from natural dangers and shall look for ways to improve said protection in Sylvania as well as raise awareness of common natural dangers in Sylvania and ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
 * The Sylvanian Fire Service shall be run as part of a department of the Sylvania State Government and shall work towards its lawful aims.
 * A company can be considered under the Sylvanian Fire Service if it receives any funding from the Sylvania State Government.
 * All local governments will receive a yearly funding from the State Government for the provision of fire stations.
 * The funding shall be allocated to the local government, which shall spend the allocated funding on fire stations.
 * Each local government shall receive funding per head for the amount of people living under its jurisdiction according to the most recent census.
 * There is a minimum funding requirement based on the combined minimum funding requirement for major settlements that lie in the local governments jurisdiction. Should the amount of funding that would be given under the per head quota be below the minimum funding requirement then funding equal to the minimum funding requirement is given instead.
 * The current funding per head is L$150.
 * A settlement is considered a major settlement if it is classified as a village, town or city in the National Settlement Order.
 * Each city has a minimum funding requirement of L$7,500,000.
 * Each town has a minimum funding requirement of L$1,500,000.
 * Each village has a minimum funding requirement of L$500,000.
 * Extra funding may be allocated to the local government for the same purposes at the discretion of the Governor with consent from the Deputy Governor.
 * Natural dangers must be addressed with primacy being given to the one that threatens the most lives first.
 * The Sylvanian Fire Service must ensure that it spends part of its budget on raising awareness and prevention of natural dangers.
 * It shall be the role of the Sylvanian Government to establish a state owned company to ensure that a service to address the needs of the Sylvanian people concerning protection from natural dangers is established.
 * Article 3 - Sylvanian Waste Service
 * The Sylvanian Waste Service shall be established by the Sylvania State Government.
 * The Sylvanian Waste Service shall ensure that every Sylvanian receives proper waste, refuse and recycling services and shall look for ways to improve said services in Sylvania as well as work towards increasing recycling in Sylvania and ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
 * The Sylvanian Waste Service shall be run as part of a department of the Sylvania State Government and shall work towards its lawful aims.
 * A company can be considered under the Sylvanian Waste Service if it receives any funding from the Sylvania State Government.
 * All local governments will receive a yearly funding from the State Government for the provision of waste centres.
 * The funding shall be allocated to the local government, which shall spend the allocated funding on waste centres.
 * Each local government shall receive funding per head for the amount of people living under its jurisdiction according to the most recent census.
 * There is a minimum funding requirement based on the combined minimum funding requirement for major settlements that lie in the local governments jurisdiction. Should the amount of funding that would be given under the per head quota be below the minimum funding requirement then funding equal to the minimum funding requirement is given instead.
 * The current funding per head is L$125.
 * A settlement is considered a major settlement if it is classified as a village, town or city in the National Settlement Order.
 * Each city has a minimum funding requirement of L$6,000,000.
 * Each town has a minimum funding requirement of L$1,200,000.
 * Each village has a minimum funding requirement of L$400,000.
 * Extra funding may be allocated to the local government for the same purposes at the discretion of the Governor with consent from the Deputy Governor.
 * It shall be a responsibility of the companies under the Sylvania Waste Service to ensure that certain standards are met concerning the service they shall provide.
 * Companies must maximise the amount of waste they recycle within their means.
 * It shall be the role of the Sylvanian Government to establish a state owned company to ensure that a service to address the needs of the Sylvanian people concerning waste, refuse and recycling is established.
 * Article 4 - Sylvanian Water Service
 * The Sylvanian Water Service shall be established by the Sylvania State Government.
 * The Sylvanian Water Service shall ensure that every Sylvanian receives cleaning, purification and supply of water services and shall look for ways to improve said services in Sylvania and ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
 * The Sylvanian Water Service shall be run as part of a department of the Sylvania State Government and shall work towards its lawful aims.
 * A company can be considered under the Sylvanian Water Service if it receives any funding from the Sylvania State Government.
 * All local governments will receive a yearly funding from the State Government for the provision of water supply centres.
 * The funding shall be allocated to the local government, which shall spend the allocated funding on water supply centres.
 * Each local government shall receive funding per head for the amount of people living under its jurisdiction according to the most recent census.
 * There is a minimum funding requirement based on the combined minimum funding requirement for major settlements that lie in the local governments jurisdiction. Should the amount of funding that would be given under the per head quota be below the minimum funding requirement then funding equal to the minimum funding requirement is given instead.
 * The current funding per head is L$335.
 * A settlement is considered a major settlement if it is classified as a village, town or city in the National Settlement Order.
 * Each city has a minimum funding requirement of L$15,000,000.
 * Each town has a minimum funding requirement of L$3,000,000.
 * Each village has a minimum funding requirement of L$1,000,000.
 * Extra funding may be allocated to the local government for the same purposes at the discretion of the Governor with consent from the Deputy Governor.
 * It shall be a responsibility of the companies under the Sylvania Water Service to ensure that certain standards are met concerning the service they shall provide.
 * Companies must provide for all their customers clean drinkable water. (to come into force 1st September 2015)
 * Companies must provide for all their customers running water and a means of having hot water. (to come into force 1st September 2015)
 * There shall be a limitation on the chemicals or substances that may be put into purified tap water by companies operating under the Sylvania Water Service.
 * Any chemicals or substances that over a short or long period of time affect the personal disposition to any noticeable degree or negatively affect the health of an individual may not be added to water in an amount that may cause such affects over a short or long period.
 * It shall be the responsibility of the Sylvanian Government to set up a Sylvanian Water Board which shall make precise limitations on chemicals and substances and which shall ensure proper regulation of water.
 * It shall be the responsibility of inspectors employed by the Sylvanian Water Board to regularly ensure that no water has chemicals above limitations within it.
 * It shall be the role of the Sylvanian Government to establish a state owned company to ensure that a service to address the needs of the Sylvanian people concerning cleaning, purification and supply of water is established.
 * Article 5 - Private Initiatives and Competition
 * Private companies may also provide public services in the place of state owned companies in certain areas.
 * Companies must be evaluated by inspectors from the Sylvanian Government to ensure they meet requirements.
 * The requirements for private companies that wish to provide public services are as follows.
 * They must be considered to treat employees to a good standard and there must be no abuse of employees rights in their history.
 * They must provide services to a high standard and must be able to prove that they put customers at the forefront of their interests.
 * They must prove that stakeholders are treated as equally or more importantly than shareholders by their company.
 * No governments; local, state or national; may own a majority share in any company that operates under the public services. This applies to the members and employees of said governments as well.
 * Private companies that provide public services must be correctly regulated by the Sylvanian Government.
 * They must allow a full time inspector to regulate them on a daily basis.
 * They must adhere to any requirements that a company under any public service would have to.
 * They must provide access to detailed company records and information to the inspectors.
 * Private companies that provide public services should practice competition, as long as it is not detrimental to customers.
 * The assigned full time inspectors will assess bi-annually in a report to the Governor, whether a company is correctly practising competition and recommend steps to be taken if it is not correctly practising competition to ensure that it does.
 * Article 6 - Illegalities
 * An illegality may be committed if any of the following occur.
 * A local government incorrectly spends money that was allocated to it.
 * A company under a certain service fail to meet certain standards as defined in law.
 * A company fails to meet its lawful aims or directives.
 * A company overcharges a customer as defined in law.
 * A company adds chemicals beyond the limits as defined by the Sylvanian Water Board.
 * A company fails to allow proper access according to law to an inspector.
 * A company fails to meet its requirements to provide public services.
 * A company resists regulation.
 * An inspector fails to correctly carry out their lawful function.
 * A government, member or employee of a government owns a majority share in a company under the public services.
 * Illegalities committed may be punished in the following manners.
 * Illegalities committed by a local government may be punished by imprisonment of the local government members for up to 5 years, by a fine of a reasonable amount or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit, as well as eviction from the local government in question. Preference should be shown towards a fine as punishment.
 * Illegalities committed by a company may be punished by imprisonment of the owners or responsible employees for up to 5 years, by a fine of a reasonable amount or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit, as well as the seizure or nullification of shares in the concerned company provided that the owner of said shares committed a serious offence that proves their inability to reasonably decide on company policy as determined by the judge.
 * Illegalities committed by an inspector may be punished by imprisonment for up to 5 years, by a fine up to L$5,000 or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit, as well as restriction from working for a government within Sylvania. Preference should be shown towards restriction from working for a government within Sylvania and a fine as punishment.
 * Illegalities committed by a government, member or employee of a government may be punished by imprisonment for up to 5 years, by a fine up to a reasonable amount or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit, as well as restriction from working for a government within Sylvania or the seizure or nullification of shares in the concerned company to bring ownership levels back into lawful means. Preference should be shown towards restriction from working for a government within Sylvania and a seizure or nullification of shares as punishment.

In favour
 * 11 votes - Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 09:01, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5 votes Frijoles333 / Marcel Cebara (talk) 09:09, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6 votes --O u WTB 09:49, September 14, 2013 (UTC) First, my over-all compliments for this work Kunar :P Second, this is a weak support, for one reason: the fundings do not specify period. F.e. The current funding is $0,60 per head. Per what? Per year? Per month? Still needs to be addressed, but that's just a small adjustment :)
 * 6 votes. 77topaz (talk) 10:35, September 14, 2013 (UTC) (I do agree with Oos's point about the fundings, though)
 * To address both of you it is clearly stated that it is yearly funding in 1.2, 2.2, 3.2 and 4.2. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 11:45, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed when copying the fireguy law to Oshenna :P It's clear, so full pro now :P --O u WTB 12:07, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Against
 * None

28 in favour and none against, the proposal is passed through the Council of Representatives with 100% in favour

CLOSED

Senate Voting: Starting 18th September, Ending 20th September
Continuing to vote on proposal

In favour
 * 2 votes - Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 09:25, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4 votes Marcus/Michael Villanova 01:41, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2 votes. --O u WTB 08:38, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Against
 * None

8 in favour and none against, the proposal is passed through the Senate with 100% in favour

CLOSED

Governor Enshrinement: After 20th September
I do enshrine this in law. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 07:29, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

The law is passed!

Debate: Starting 23rd November, Ending 29th November
Once again we must elect a government to lead the 50th Sylvania State Council. The positions of Speaker and First Minister have to be assigned and we must decide upon what the departments of state shall be.

The position of First Minister is almost the same as Prime Minister, they are the leader of the council.

The position of Speaker has the roles of ensuring proper format and manage the debates of the council.

The positions of department secretaries will be defined by the portfolio of the department they lead.

Joseph Fletcher's Proposal (CNP leader in the Sylvania State Council)
 * First Minister
 * Joseph Fletcher (User:Kunarian)
 * Deputy First Minister (shall be considered a First Minister by law although can be vetoed by the First Minister)
 * CCPL leader in the SSC (User controlling)
 * Speaker
 * CNP member in the SSC (User:Kunarian)
 * Department Secretary
 * Department for Agriculture and Fishing - ?
 * Kunarian
 * OWTB
 * Department for Culture - ?
 * Kunarian
 * OWTB
 * Frijoles333
 * Department for Energy - ?
 * Department for Enterprise and Skills - ?
 * Kunarian
 * Frijoles333
 * Department for Finance - ?
 * Department for Infrastructure - CCPL member (User:Ooswesthoesbes)
 * Department for Local Government - CNP member (User:Kunarian)
 * Department for Public Services - ?
 * Kunarian

I once again think this is the best way forwards, I am willing to divide up the Departments in a proportional manner between parties but primarily am looking for interest in an area. However just to inform, I do not want more than 8 Departments but I am ready to accept suggestions for Departments. Feel free to put yourselves forwards for departments.

Division of Departments:
 * 1 - CNP
 * 2 - CCPL
 * 3 - CNP
 * 4 - CCPL
 * 5 - CNP
 * 6 - CCPL
 * 7 - UL
 * 8 - GP

So in total 3 CNP, 3 CCPL, 1 UL and 1 GP Department.

Joseph Fletcher's Agenda

I shall propose an agenda here. Feel free to criticise once up.


 * I like the departments you've suggested so far. Perhaps you could also have ones for Education, Health and Transport, either of which I would be interested in being secretary for Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 23:24, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Department for Enterprise and skills will manage education. EDIT: I just realised I want all state managed public services, as detailed in the public services act to be managed by the DfPS. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 00:08, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Very good :) --O u WTB 12:43, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Please put your name beneath departments you're interested in so that I can see where we're at, thanks. :) Limit yourself to applying for five departments. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 13:04, November 24, 2013 (UTC)