User talk:Ooswesthoesbes/Arsjief 2



Arsjief

Judicial Reform Pro Votes
Have you taken a look at the judicial reform proposal again yet? I don't think you've read my other comments farther up, so I'll post it at the bottom. Please reconsider: I've fixed the activity things that Semyon mentioned. Unless you actually are opposed to the jury, then I think it'll be good for pro votes. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:00, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, please delete this file: File:22px-Flag of Australia.svg-1-.png Wabba gave it a bad name. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:06, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Deleted. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:16, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

RE: I don't get it
-- 17:00, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) The wiki is boring.
 * 2) Everyone votes for people who can't even spell. Most are inactive people. WTF?
 * 3) This wiki is messed up.
 * 4) I'm withdrawing from PL soon anyway. (if needed)
 * 5) Encouraging people to vote should be fraud.
 * 6) I can't be taken seriously...
 * Of course you are taken seriously, but if you think the wiki is boring I don't see why you are making a problem of it. Of it is boring, it'll remain so. Even if you get 7 seats instead of 5.. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:01, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'll change one of my votes so that its for you, if you cast a vote for me. I have a minor and a support, a vote for a vote. Message me back if you are interested. --— Christopher Costello (Pikapi • Chat  • What's up ) 15:58, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think your coalition needs that vote more than I do. And anyway, if I'd spend my third vote on myself, the result will not change anything. So, just because it's easier, I'm not interested. Though I'd surely like to see you in Congress this year, but my fellow conservatives need that third vote more than I do :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:02, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Concours
Hey Oos. Would you be interested in entering (or perhaps even being a judge) in the 2012 Charleston Beach Concours d'Elegance? HORTON11 : •  18:12, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, as it is held in April, I think I might find a brand to represent Mäöres :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:14, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be grat. The more variation in brands and countries would be better. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:18, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good, count me in I'd say :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:18, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oos, the LordUnderpants guy needs a block. Would you oblige? :) --Semyon 21:48, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably not, I'll see what he's done. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 04:10, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, he stopped after the warning, so blocking him would break the site rules. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 04:17, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

EastWest takeover
Would you mind if Villanova Inc. takes over the service and makes it active again? Marcus/Michael Villanova 13:25, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the idea of EastWest is that both music in Lovia and Mäöres are used. If you take it over, could you please give me guarantees that I can keep updating the Mäöres part of the service? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:43, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * No prob. Marcus/Michael Villanova 14:13, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, you can have it then :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:49, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Londis
Have you saved the logo of Londis on your computer? MartijnM 12:11, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm now on my laptop, so I'll upload it tomorrow or so. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:04, January 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * How you make logos? Wabba The I 18:19, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't want to know :P Most people here use photoshop, but I'm old-fashioned and still use Paint :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:32, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Do you know my address? MartijnM 16:08, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Lovian, e-mail or home? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:56, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Boeken en CD's
Weet jij hoe je een cover van een cd of boek maakt? Wabba The I 15:04, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ik pak gewoon paint en hou 'n CD voor 't beeldscherm, pas daar de grootte van 't bewerkingsvlak op aan en teken vlug wat rotzooi :P Ik denk dat je dit beter in de Forum:The Pub kunt vragen :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:05, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Following Pages
Hello Oos, how do I turn off the "follow this page" thing? It keeps spamming me with e-mails. I don't like it. Daembrales 17:15, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Go to "Preferences" > "Email" and disable "...a page I'm following is changed" under the "Email me when.." section. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:51, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, i forgot this. I've selected those now. Daembrales 13:23, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Votes
Major to Krosby, Minor to Breyev, Support to Hoffman. Thanks! Daembrales 13:23, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll add them. I think Daembrales can add tonight (in EST) because that's when he joined according to his contribs, but wth. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:56, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:42, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Should we close voting? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:44, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, everybody's voted now. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:45, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll do that. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:47, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:58, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Oos, theres an idea for a Conservative-Libertarian Coalition. The Base Parties would be CCPL, LDP, CNP, PL. Then the other conservatives like Breyev would be part of the coalition too. Timemaster is also optimistic about Labour maybe coming across. We think that you would be a good and fair PM. Kunarian 17:36, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks very acceptable to me :) Anyway, experience learns us that when it comes to voting bills in the Second Chamber, party politics fades away, including coalitions :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:40, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Very true, it does seem that coalitions serve only to choose PM's. I think that maybe Lovia's better off that way, not being so obessed as other nations with party politics. Kunarian 17:43, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it leads to people being more aware of what they're actually voting for and better reflecting the laws that are being voted. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:45, January 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with that. Also, User:TimeMaster/Ministries. I think my reform is good. Unless you want animal welfare under justice. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 17:44, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Animal welfare might become a breaking point I see ;) No, I think you did a great job :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:46, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * We need to start making a deal with all politicians on the posts is what I meant. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:55, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ow :P Well, I thought Costello already made some kind of overview if I'm right.. Otherwise we'll just have to begin from scratch. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:19, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Citizen
Now that I have the requirements, can I become one? I am Lucy Austira, female, and live in Drake Town on 26 Danish Avenue. Daembrales 21:38, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry I was inactive. I am Lucy Austira, female, and my residence is 26 Danish Avenue in Drake Town, Hurbanova, Oceana. Daembrales 00:12, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you. I'll add you to the register. Consider yourself a citizen from now on :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:14, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Wikify
Wat kan ik doen om pagina's niet meer laten 'wikify' moeten zijn? Je weet wel wat ik bedoel. Wabba The I 11:38, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ik ga 't wel efkes oplossen. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:44, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Dus meer afbeeldingen (o.a. seals)? Wabba The I 11:56, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Wat?
Wat is het beste van de overige zes functies die ik nog kan hebben? Wabba The I 11:23, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Your bot
Could you please use your bot to placce information on this on user talk pages? Pierlot McCrooke 18:27, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

I oppose this, all it would do is annoy some inactive users, who would ignore it. Maybe just post manually on a couple semi-active peoples' pages. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:35, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then you might as well do it manually. Using a bot on not wiki-specified pages is more work than doing it by hand. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations Mr. Prime Minister!
 * Thanks :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:29, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Bick Building
I wanted to expamd on it's contents Pierlot McCrooke 12:29, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then I advise you to simply start from scratch. Anyway, the tower is no longer located anywhere, so it's probably not interesting. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:33, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Image names
Hi Oos, could you rename File:Adoha.png? It is a picture of the new adoha elementary school board, but its name is horrible and needs to be moved, since it's (way) too vague. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 19:24, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:02, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

English
Perhaps we could say that -se words were changed back to -ce in Lovian English? I prefer -ce as well. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:19, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Noooooooo. You don't spell defensive with a "c", so why would you spell defense that way. HORTON11 : •  22:39, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Because that's the way it was originally spelled, and if it weren't for an idiotic Noah Webster who decided to randomly change a few words, it still would. And anyway, if it were an s, we wouldn't have an need for the e. There is no vowel having its sound changed. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:46, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

The problem is, that if you create rules like these, they must be written down ( ALL OF THEM ) and for a language like English (which has one of the most sucking spellings ever on the entire earth) that's a lot of work. So, it's up to you: British or American. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:55, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

British, then. :D Or, again, we could just make an exception for -ce/-se words. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:02, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

It would be quite cool to have a hybrid Lovian system (if we did, misuse of the letter k in words of French origin should be banned. 'Grotesk' is such a grotesque way of spelling 'grotesque'.) --Semyon 17:56, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

People should be free to spell however they like. Personally I support the American way, though. HORTON11 : •  18:01, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, but I don't think American spelling is linguistically correct. On the other hand it is probably a lot simpler. --Semyon 18:09, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

It is correct, I believe, and more modern that the British way. And, it makes more sense. HORTON11 : •  18:13, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, just realised grotesk isn't actually an American spelling, just something I've seen on the internet a few times. I'm glad, because that would be truly horrendous. --Semyon 19:20, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I think both Englishes have good points. 'Colour' and 'color' for instance are etymologically equally acceptable, whereas American 'skeptic' and British 'kerb' are in my opinion not, compared to their counterparts 'sceptic' and 'curb'. --Semyon 19:36, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't know you tommies spelt skeptic with a "c". American spelling is a watered down version of the British way (program is w/o the mme). But you know what I hate the most, when center and meter are spelt with an re. HORTON11 : •  20:04, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I find that really important, because otherwise there's ambiguity between a (gas) meter and a (measuring) metre. But if I'm honest American spellings aren't that bad, I just react to them because I'm not used to them. :) --Semyon 20:11, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

@TM: Or, we could just spell all -se/-ce words as -s. --Semyon 20:16, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Metre is a French word. The -er ending is very important to me (and the US), unlike in Canada where Quebec has an unfair influence and has changed the english spelling to re. HORTON11 : •  20:19, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Unlike some cases such as 'color/colour' where the Americans make a very good case, I don't think there is much justification for the spelling 'meter' (for the measurement). At least 'color' is actually the way the word was spelt in Latin, whereas 'meter' doesn't have any etymological basis. Admittedly it's equally unjustified for (gas) meter in both Englishes, but in that case Webster should have changed both forms to 'metre', and like I said, I like not having the ambiguity in British English. --Semyon 21:33, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I already see this is going to be a spelling war :P I'll soon write an article about Lovian spelling. I'm sure we can get this sorted out :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:50, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Can you switch to contra, please? Marcus wants to add the the names into the act, but I prefer keeping it as "recognition of existing localities" that is not in the federal law. What do you think? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:58, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

the -re ending is a unneeded frenchism, I must say. Pierlot McCrooke 16:06, February 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't mind either, but I can't stand people in favor of -le but against -re. Very hypocritical... and make sure to read my previous comment. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 16:08, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Um... can you move Plains back to Sjors's userspace? I really want it moved to the north of Asian Island--not Truth Island, as it was previously. For some reason, Adoha was moved to Truth Island several months ago. Thereby I have proposed that Plains be moved the north of Asian Island. I also made a proposal which also fixed other things here: User:TimeMaster/Plains. Also, the main reason Jeff wants Plains to be on Truth Island is for it to be served by Adoha Regional Airport, which I find quite silly. So please consider using my version of Plains. Thanks! —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:55, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, as Plains was initially Sjors's hamlet, I do prefer using his page history. So, just copy the contents of your page to Plains, mentioning User:TimeMaster/Plains in the edit summary and it's fine. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:17, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

PSO
Look in the first chamber, just seeing what the people think about the bill. It's number 008. Marcus/Michael Villanova 13:26, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:51, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

You should vote against the NSO. It doesn't do anything useful, just makes another page to write them at when we already have Template:Places. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 16:31, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, places does not include hamlets and neighborhoods. We need to have them official. Anyways, who (except for you :P) cares about yet another page? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:32, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly, thank you. I'mma start to ring up support and contact all congressmen. Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:34, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * It does include hamlets, and you can just see the neighborhoods by looking at the pages of cities or even the page neighborhood. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 16:35, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I will change to pro and formalize the law. It's horrible right now. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 16:36, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry TM, but I disagree. We need an in-law reference to all officially recognized places. Template:Places simply does not suffice. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:38, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. ^_^ Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:40, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Would you move this image: File:Images.jpg to another name? It is not a good name. Marcus actually had another image from his Thousand Apples town that had the same file name (Images.jpg), so now a picture of apples is the FC Villanova logo. Very weird... —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:57, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:10, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Ambox
Hi. Can you add the following to MediaWiki:Common.css? Thanks in advance. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:08, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

/* --- Ambox TEMPLATE DESIGNS --- */ /* Ambox design */ .ambox { font-size: 95%; width: 80%; margin: 0 auto; border: 1px #AAA solid; border-left: 10px solid #228b22; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: #EEE; } /* Ambox colours */ .ambox-blue { border-left: 10px solid #1e90ff;      /* Blue */ } .ambox-red { border-left: 10px solid #b22222;      /* Red */ } .ambox-orange { border-left: 10px solid #f28500;      /* Orange */ } .ambox-yellow { border-left: 10px solid #f4c430;      /* Yellow */ } .ambox-purple { border-left: 10px solid #9932cc;      /* Purple */ } .ambox-gray { border-left: 10px solid #bba;         /* Gray */ } .ambox-green { border-left: 10px solid #228b22;      /* Green */ } .ambox-olive { border-left: 10px solid #808000;      /* Olive */ }

/* Ambox small text */ .amsmalltext { font-size: smaller; margin-top:0.5em; margin-left:0.8em; } /* Ambox image */ .ambox-image {                         /* The left image cell */ width: 60px; padding: 2px 0px 2px 0.5em;           /* 0.5em left, 0px right */ text-align: center; }

(end copy) —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:08, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll do. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:13, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Malfunction
Aargh, it didn't work. I'll try to find a non-css solution, in the mean time, can you undo the modification you made? Once you've undone it, add this to the bottom: —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:23, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

/* === Template:Ambox designs === */ /* Ambox design */ .ambox { font-size: 95%; width: 80%; margin: 0 auto; border: 1px #AAA solid; border-left: 10px solid #228b22; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: #EEE; } /* Ambox colours */ .ambox-blue { border-left: 10px solid #1e90ff;      /* Blue (notice) */ } .ambox-red { border-left: 10px solid #b22222;      /* Red (delete/serious) */ } .ambox-orange { border-left: 10px solid #f28500;      /* Orange (content) */ } .ambox-yellow { border-left: 10px solid #f4c430;      /* Yellow (style) */ } .ambox-purple { border-left: 10px solid #9932cc;      /* Purple (merge) */ } .ambox-gray { border-left: 10px solid #bba;         /* Gray (protection) */ } .ambox-green { border-left: 10px solid #228b22;      /* Green */ } /* Ambox small text */ .ambox-smalltext { font-size: smaller; margin-top:0.5em; margin-left:0.8em; } /* Ambox image */ .ambox-image {                         /* The left image cell */ width: 60px; padding: 2px 0px 2px 0.5em;           /* 0.5em left, 0px right */ text-align: center; } @media print { .ambox { display: none; } } /* no ambox when printing */

Good luck! you'll need it :S --Semyon 14:24, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Um, just saying... since you didn't undo your old edit, you might have pasted over incorrectly. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:26, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually I did undo my old edit using "undo" in the history screen, and I immediately pasted the new version over. You should take in account that the server needs time to clear the cache. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:27, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, since you pasted it correctly, I then thought the server was lagging. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:36, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know how long it's going to take, but if it still malfunctions we should have a back-up plan. I personally don't like too complicated templates, so I can't help you with the current whatever it's called syntax thing, but I can simplify it on an OWTB manner :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:06, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Another
I also want to make some good templates for the licensing. Can you replace MediaWiki:Licenses with this? Thanks. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:16, February 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Unknown:
 * No license|I don't know the license
 * Own photo:
 * Self|I took this photo myself
 * Self-M|I did not take this photo myself, but I modified this photo myself, and the original allows derivative works
 * Wikimedia:
 * From Wikimedia|I got this from the Wikimedia Commons or another Wikimedia project
 * Copyleft:
 * CC-BY-SA|This is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License
 * CC-BY-NC-ND|This is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs License
 * GFDL|This is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License
 * Other free|This is licensed under another free license
 * Copyright:
 * Fairuse|This will be used in a way that qualifies as fair use under US law
 * Permission|This is copyrighted, but use is permitted by the copyright holder
 * Other:
 * PD|This is in the public domain
 * N-A|This does not qualify to be licensed or copyrighted
 * Done. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:21, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Request
I must have been on some drugs or something but i created the Lovian State Rugby Sevens, awhile ago, please delete it, we already have the Van Franken Cup so please delete the LSRS. Thank you. Marcus/Michael Villanova 15:00, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, perhaps you could first move some information to Van Franken Cup, f.e. "Rules and differences from regular Rugby" and "Teams". --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:09, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do. :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 15:11, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I'll delete the old page. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:18, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Magical powers
Teach me the magical powers. Please?
 * I suspect this is Jeffwang. :P --Semyon 16:42, March 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes :( I have also a message. Look on my user page. Wabba The I 16:54, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it, your edits are good, I think. Whoever he is, the guy's an idiot. :) --Semyon 16:55, March 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Me of Jeff? Wabba The I 17:03, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * The guy about the magical powers. Anyway, I'm a Christian so magical powers are not fine with me :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:11, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Me an idiot no way dude no way. Magical powers should be shared for sake of the humanity. The huminaty, dude! Teach us of wise and blessed one!
 * Please find other people to annoy. If you can contribute, please log into an account. IP-addresses are not welcome in a Wikination-type setting. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:26, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Wabba images
Wabba is uploaded flag thumbnails that are precisely 22 pixels wide... would you take a look at the upload log, reprimand Wabba, and delete all the tiny thumbnail images he's uploaded? Thanks. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:23, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll do my best. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:59, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't think he uploaded them. I'll test how the new editor works exactly this week so I can see how it treats images that are made smaller. First downloading an image, then making it the exact size, and then uploading it again would be an awful job to do. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:04, March 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * There is for instance not a (Dutch: sjabloon) for the flag of Greece. I have upload a picture of the flag of greece. Wabba The I 11:37, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think he just drags the 22 pixel icons on Wikipedia pages instead of clicking the image and getting the 2000 pixel image. Wabba, then do not upload a small image. Get a 2000px image. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:01, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah yeah, that could be possible. But it doesn't explain why there are also small images of seals like the one of Mandarin Village or a smaller version of male.png (or whatever the name of that image might be). --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:14, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Supreme Court Judge
Hey, could you consider nominating a character to become on of three Supreme Court Judges here? (btw: if you plan to bring a court case in the near future, please don't do it, because that causes problems.) Thanks. :) --Semyon 10:11, April 12, 2012 (UTC)