Forum:Second Chamber

__NEWSECTIONLINK__ In Lovia, Congress is the national legislative body and the most powerful branch of government. The Second Chamber is one of the two chambers of Congress, located in the Capitol in Downtown Noble City, in which the Members of the Congress vote bills that originated in the First Chamber. Paradoxically, Lovia does not have a bicameral parliament: there is only one group of MOTCs that both debates and votes the proposals. For the current composition of Congress, see 2012 First Congress.

Whereas all national citizens may propose bills in the First Chamber, only Members of the Congress may vote them in the Second Chamber. Article 6 of the Constitution states that "all Members of the Congress are expected to vote on the motion in the Second Chamber". They have three legal voting options: "pro (in favor of the motion), contra (in opposition to the motion) and abstention (the wish not to vote)." Further more, they "have two weeks’ time to cast their vote in the Second Chamber. Voting may be closed earlier if the required majority is reached. The proposer may also choose to lengthen the voting period."

A normal majority ("fifty percent of the valid votes") is required to pass a motion amending the Federal Law. To vote on Constitutional amendments, a special majority ("more than two thirds of the valid votes") is required to pass a amendment. The special majority requirement was lowered from three quarters to two thirds in the 2010 State Reform (Sixth Amendment). All proposals approved by Congress, by the required majority and in due time, must be implemented by the government of Lovia.

041. Recognition of Overbanken as a neighborhood
Alright: National Settlement Order will be updated:
 * 1) Overbanken will be recognised as a neighborhood of Hurb.
 * 2) Hurbanova will be an official city.

Pro

 * 16 votes. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:46, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4 votes — Beer.png Christopher Costello (Pikapi • Chat  • What's up ) 12:26, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * 7 votes - Congradulations to the honorable governor for helping bring around this historic moment! Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 16:50, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * 14 votes - fuck it I love Oceana ^_^ Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:54, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's what I wanted to say if I were atheist :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:07, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why? I'm catholic and I swear all of the fucking time. :D — Beer.png Christopher Costello (Pikapi • Chat  • What's up ) 17:20, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * You'd better read the bible, son :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:45, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't swear (or at least when I do I repent for it), I find that swearing can normally be topped by a good well worded and thought out sentence. ;) Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 17:56, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * 11 votes. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:30, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1 vote.  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 18:09, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * 11 votes. I feel like some of the unnamed green areas adjacent to the stream and the three houses should become houses, though. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:03, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thought of that too. You should see the green areas as spaces for the future. If Hurb is packed again, we can use those areas as back-up before creating a new neighborhood :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:15, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 6 votes. Late, I know. --Semyon 21:33, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * 6 votes. Late, I know. --Semyon 21:33, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
I'm pro Oceana against this. I'm not sure were it fits in, because it has no formal way to buy a home. until then i'm against Marcus/Michael Villanova 12:34, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

I want Overbanken to become a neighborhood because Hurbanova seriously needs to become a city.  Happy65   Talk CNP   18:49, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

✅ By a 65% majority! —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:07, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

(or Gratulatsii! :P) --Semyon 21:31, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

That Lew bude vurar! :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:16, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Great!  Happy65   Talk CNP   15:54, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Isn't it accpeted with a 100% majority, no one voted against? Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:01, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

. ✅ Let's just say it's accepted and not argue..  Happy65   Talk CNP   16:04, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hahah lol xD i think TM's point was that 65 people in the congress voted pro but since we're only counting the congressmembers who voted it should be 100% :p Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:08, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

That's absolutely wrong. No lol about it. It's not the percentage of voters (it's the percentage of total congresspeople), otherwise someone could just propose a random bill, vote pro on it, and say "100% of voters voted pro so it passed!" —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:23, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

But it would have to be there for two weeks, so obviously someone else would vote on it. Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:28, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

But voting can be close early if the necessary majority is reached before then. I don't even know why the two weeks thing is mentioned in the Constitution. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:42, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hey i'm just here to question, nothing else :p Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:53, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Why isn't Hurbanova a city now? <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   08:17, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is officially. I think the page has not been updated yet :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:46, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Stop trying to create a culture of dependency you socialist, do it yourself :P xD Marcus/Michael Villanova 01:04, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, there used to be a time that the guy who closed the vote also enacted its contents. Unfortunately, those times seem over :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:09, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Besides updating the NSO, what has to be done? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 11:54, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Updating the page Hurbanova itself? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:37, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Should the other new neighbourhoods (Milerose, St Stephens, East River) have similar votes? 77topaz (talk) 22:52, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yes to St Stephens and East River, No to Milerose. I want a neighborhood adjacent to Sofasi, not another resort town like Adoha or Ferguson Beach Village that's not adjacent. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:02, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

043. Settlement Act Revision
This will be in the Public Law Book.
 * Article 1 - Settlement Act
 * Lovian settlements are classified into one of these five groups: hamlets, villages, neighborhoods, towns, and cities.
 * The population of a settlement is considered to be the number of people who have a primary residence within the built up areas.
 * Congress must recognize a settlements by a simple majority before the settlement can become an official hamlet, village, neighborhood, town, or city of Lovia.
 * A hamlet is a very small settlement that does not border the urban areas of a more populous settlement.
 * A hamlet must:
 * Have a population of at least ten and at most five hundred.
 * If a hamlet's population drops below ten, it is no longer classified as a settlement.
 * If a hamlet's population rises above five hundred, it is classified as a village.
 * A hamlet may officially affiliate itself with a larger town or city if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * A hamlet may have a new, bordering, distinct urban area become a neighborhood of the hamlet if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * If a hamlet borders a less populous settlement, the smaller settlement may become a neighborhood of the hamlet if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * A village is a small settlement that does not border the urban areas of a more populous settlement.
 * A village must:
 * Have a population of at least five hundred and at most five thousand.
 * If a village's population drops below five hundred, it is classified as a hamlet.
 * If a village's population rises above five thousand, it is classified as a town.
 * A village may officially affiliate itself with a larger town or city if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * A village may have a new, bordering, distinct urban area become a neighborhood of the village if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * If a village borders a less populous settlement, the smaller settlement may become a neighborhood of the village if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * A town is a mid-sized settlement that does not border the urban areas of a more populous settlement.
 * A town must:
 * Have a population of at least five thousand and at most twenty thousand.
 * If a town's population drops below five thousand, it is classified as a village.
 * If a town's population rises above twenty thousand, it is classified as a city.
 * A town may have a village or hamlet affiliate with the town if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * A town may have a new, bordering, distinct urban area become a neighborhood of the town if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * If a town borders a less populous settlement, the smaller settlement may become a neighborhood of the town if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * A city is a large settlement that does not border the urban areas of a more populous settlement.
 * A city must:
 * Have a population of at least twenty thousand.
 * If a town's population drops below twenty thousand, it is classified as a town.
 * A city may have a village or hamlet affiliate with the city if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * A city may have a new, bordering, distinct urban area become a neighborhood of the city if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * If a city borders a less populous settlement, the smaller settlement may become a neighborhood of the city if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * A neighborhood is a subdivision of a settlement.
 * A neighborhood must be a distinct urban area of another larger settlement.
 * In the case that a larger urban area grows and borders a smaller urban area, the smaller settlement may become one or multiple neighborhoods of the larger settlement if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority.
 * All settlements in Lovia are managed and built by the state that they are part of.
 * Each settlement recognized by Congress must be added to the National Settlement Order.
 * Per the Constitution, Congress may override a decision of the state government to build new settlements by a simple majority.

This makes some changes to modernize the law for our updated census system and makes some other small revisions. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:14, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Pro

 * 11 Votes. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:14, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 16 votes. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:13, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1 vote. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 15:53, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 7 votes Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 18:34, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 14 votes, TM may be stubborn but knows how to write a nice bill :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:23, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 5 votes Wabba The I (talk) 17:59, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Contra

 * 16 votes. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:04, November 16, 2012 (UTC) 3.4/3.5/4.4/4.5 contradicts to 7.
 * Whoops, didn't catch that earlier. It's fixed. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:11, November 16, 2012 (UTC)



Abstention


✅ By a 54% majority. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:14, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Since I can't vote, I'll just comment: there's something wrong with the population limits. "Hamlets can't have more than 500 people"? Even Amish Kinley has more people than that. East Hills, IIRC, has more than three thousand. 77topaz (talk) 19:23, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Amish Kinley isn't a hamlet, it is a Local Religious Community. Btw, I will ask Time (unless you want to) to fix the hamlet part. It is because Lovia used to have a population of 20,000 and hamlets had hardly any people in them and this is copied and edited from the original law. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:38, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you two, I think the idea is supposed to be that all the minor settlements are now Hamlets (look on this page: User:Kunarian/List of settlements in Sylvania settlements like Easthope and Kirkgate are now the hamlets while East Hills is now a village). So topaz, there's nothing wrong with population limits and Happy I say the same to you, there is no need for correction, this is how it is supposed to be. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 19:51, November 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, anyway, I think some of those settlements should have a page so we actually have some pages for Hamlets. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:54, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd like someone else's word on this. I'm pretty sure East Hills and Beaverwick and Clave Rock are still hamlets, since they're affiliated with Hurbanova, Newhaven and Train Village respectively. If former hamlets have been changed to villages, then what happened to villages? If villages were changed to towns, than what happened to towns and cities? 77topaz (talk) 21:43, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

It's purposeful. Hamlets are intended to be the very small settlements that do not have a page, such as the list of them that Kunarian made at User:Kunarian/List of settlements in Sylvania. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:17, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Is the rule that anything with over five neighborhoods becomes a city still in place? Or is it all population-based now? Because Oos asked Congress to allow him to give Hurbanova a fifth neighborhood, which would make it a city. 77topaz (talk) 00:37, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

It's all population based, and Congress may not override. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:54, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

So East Hills is a town now? 77topaz (talk) 01:46, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, unless Oos decides to reduce it. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:51, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Actually... I'm not sure it my bill will include only built-up areas or also surrounding rural areas. It won't be a major issue, but I need some input before the last two pro votes come in. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:53, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Only built-up areas. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:31, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:41, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the addition of every neighborhood has to go through congress. We should at least allow that power to remain with the position. Then again, we would need to set limits and guidelines (to prevent unreasonable additions). HORTON11 : •  19:09, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

They can be built, they just won't become part of the National Settlement Order until Congress recognizes them. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 19:25, November 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * This seems more reassuring now. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:32, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, so could you vote pro? :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:05, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Some objections
OK, for some reason I didn't see this in the 1st Chamber. Sorry about that. :P I still have some problems:
 * I don't think a hamlets should be able to have neighborhoods.
 * I'd rather not have the bits about affiliation.
 * The existence of districts (which are officially contralegislative atm) should be made official. It complicates the issue slightly, but is necessary imo. I suggest a division between rural areas, which would be divided into districts, and urban areas, containing cities, towns and villages. No settlement could be part of a district, with the exception of hamlets: they would have to form a distinct area.
 * Ideally this law would include my proposal to change the city rights law, which has been archived. The idea was that city rights would now be granted by congress or be possessed historically rather than achieved when a certain population or number of neighborhoods are reached. I like this idea, because, it's more flexible, and it allows towns to be made cities for reasons of culture or history, instead of just size, which I think is important.

I hope these seem reasonable. :) --Semyon 16:25, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

1. We shouldn't need to change the population (except for natural increments/decreases)
 * 1) Not that they will. This just keeps the possibility open. We can always change their population to avoid this problem, also.
 * 2) It's optional. Besides, I tried getting rid of affiliation a year ago and it got shot down by like a 70% margin.
 * 3) I agree that they should, but I don't think that's at all harmful to the bill proposed as it is. They're only for demographic purposes (a few states might make them more important), so I don't see what makes then contralegislative. The idea that you have there seems a bit unnecessary, but as it's the status quo I have no problem with it. I just don't think it's a reason to not vote pro.
 * 4) Well, there is always a loophole in that the Congress can simply not approve the changing of a settlement from city to town. I also don't see the town/city division as much more than a formality. If it's important to you, though, I can make arrangements.
 * 5) Don't forget, we can talk about this later after we accept this version. I don't think that the issues you've brought up would be detrimental at all; instead, just some (relatively) small changes are what you are proposing. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 17:51, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

2. We should not keep affiliation uless it is for suburban neighborhoods in the vicinity of the city or town. Most of the hamlets are located some distance from their "parent city".

4. There should be a clear distinction between a town and city, they are not the same. And there should be no demoting of cities unless there is a massive population drop or a valid IC reason. HORTON11 : •  18:01, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

1. We shouldn't need to, I agree. But if Semyon thinks hamlets should be unable to have a neighborhood, it could be useful. Of course, it'll be retroactive.

2. Yes, neighborhoods will have affiliation. As for hamlets and villages, the law says: "A hamlet (or village) may officially affiliate itself with a larger town or city if Congress recognizes this affiliation by a simple majority." We're just keeping the option open. It won't be required like it once was.

4. You pretty much have what the proposed law says. A population drop will be the only reason for demotion. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:14, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) Then why not simply prevent hamlets from having neighborhoods? We shouldn't have to do retroactive edits. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:21, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

To keep the possibility open. I'm not opposed to it, Semyon is. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:25, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well there is no need for that possibility. If the hamlet's affiliated town neeeds to expand, we should add another neighborhood to the town. HORTON11 : •  18:30, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Why not? What if we want to have that new neighborhood border the hamlet? I see nothing wrong. Remember, we are just keeping the possibility open. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:42, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

044. Harvian Islands becoming a full member of the IWO
The Harvian Islands will officialy become a member of the International Wikination Organisation. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   16:34, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Pro

 * 1 Vote. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 16:34, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 16 votes. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:39, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 11 votes. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:09, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 7 votes - Starting a new tomorrow of peaceful relations, today :) - Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 18:34, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 14 votes how could you be against peace? -glad to see bi-partisan agreement- :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:20, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * considering Lovia's three way split (Conservative, Liberal, Socialist) isn't it a tri-partisan agreement? :D Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 21:30, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * America can't handel the sight of agreement, Stahp :I lol Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:41, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nonpartisan. This isn't something we had to compromise on. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:18, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 11 votes. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:18, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4 votes — Beer.png <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 22:37, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Abstention


✅ By a 60% majority. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:19, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * I promise to bring the IWO countries great relations with the Harvian Islands. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:08, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * The United Harvian Islands are now a full member of the International Wikination Organisation! <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 07:57, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not yet. Only Lovia and Harvian have agreed so far. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:16, November 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Brunant have agreed. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:58, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

045. Insel Islands becoming a full member of the IWO
The Insel Islands will officialy become a member of the International Wikination Organisation. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:47, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Pro

 * 16 votes. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:47, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1 vote. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 10:07, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * 5 votes. Wabba The I (talk) 15:01, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * 11 votes. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:13, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * 14 votes Marcus/Michael Villanova 15:16, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * 11 votes. I thought they already were. . . —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:20, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Abstention


✅ By a 58% majority. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:20, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Layout stealer, Oos  :| <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   14:02, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? This has always been the correct style (except that the options were once capitalized). There's no stealing. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:21, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, the IWO part. Understandable. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:21, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

@they were: only an associate member. this one's for full membership. @lay-out: I'm sorry, I just liked your lay-out :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:43, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

046. Taxation Act 2012
This will go in the Public Law Book.


 * Article 9.1 - Income and National Insurance Tax Act
 * Every individual of 16 years of age or older must pay Income Tax and National Insurance Tax should they be eligible as defined by law to do so:
 * to be eligible to pay Income Tax and National Insurance Tax an individual must:
 * be earning income as defined below and must have resided within Lovia's national borders during the tax year; or
 * be a Lovian citizen earning income as defined below and must be earning income from an individual or corporation which resides within Lovia's national borders:
 * in this case only the income gained from the individual or corporation that resides within Lovia's national borders is eligible for tax.
 * Income is the sum total of:
 * wage and salaries:
 * wages, salaries and tips recieved by an individual for performing a service for another individual or entity or from another individual or corporation they are employee of; and
 * minus any wages or salaries that an individual has given to another individual for being an employee of the concerned individual.
 * pensions:
 * pensions or annuity payments recieved by an individual from another individual or corporation;
 * minus any pensions or annuity payments that an individual has given to another individual; and
 * to avoid confusion pensions and annuity payments are fixed payments over a specified or unspecified period of time.
 * capital gains:
 * capital gains received by an individual from another individual or corporation; and
 * to avoid confusion capital gains are the profits gained by buying and then selling property, shares or bonds.
 * lump sums:
 * lump sums received by an individual from another individual or corporation; and
 * to avoid confusion lump sums are single payments of money:
 * an individual who has given another individual a lump sum may be allowed to minus the amount they have given away from their income to be taxed if the reason can be deemed legitimate by the Ministry of Finance.
 * rental income:
 * rental income recieved by an individual from another individual or corporation;
 * minus any rent that an individual has given to another individual; and
 * to avoid confusion rental income is when a payment is made for the temporary use of a good, service or property owned by another individual.
 * dividends:
 * dividends recieved by an individual from a corporation; and
 * to avoid confusion dividends are payments made by a corporation to its shareholder members.
 * Income Tax required to be paid is calculated by taking the concerned individuals income and levying a set percentage which goes to the Ministry of Finance:
 * the first thirty thousand Lovian dollars of income are exempt from this levy; and
 * all other income has twenty five percent of the total levied.
 * National Insurance Tax required to be paid is calculated by taking the concerned individuals income and levying a set percentage which goes to the Social Security Fund and is managed by the Ministry of Health:
 * the first thirty thousand lovian dollars of income are exempt from this levy;
 * the next twenty thousand lovian dollars of income has two point five percent levied;
 * the next fifty thousand lovian dollars of income has five percent levied; and
 * all other income has ten percent of the total levied.
 * Income Tax and National Insurance Tax can be payed in two ways and must be paid every year on the 1st of March:
 * unless otherwise requested, the Ministry of Finance will manage the payment of Income and National Insurance Tax for individuals;
 * however individuals have the right to request that they be allowed to manage the payment of their Income Tax or National Insurance Tax;
 * the Ministry of Finance may not refuse this request and must supply the individual with the documentation to file their own taxes.
 * Evading or otherwise failing to pay Income Tax and National Insurance Tax is illegal:
 * evasion of said taxes can be punished by imprisonment for any length of time, by a fine set at a reasonably equivalent amount or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit.
 * Article 9.2 - Property Tax Act
 * Every individual or corporation who owns property or land as defined by law within Lovia must pay Property Tax should they be eligible as defined by law to do so:
 * to be eligible to pay Property Tax an individual or corporation must:
 * own property or land within Lovia's national borders.
 * Property is:
 * the combination of land and an improvement that has been built upon said land; and
 * to avoid confusion property is measured in square metres by taking the length between the furthest points along the width of the improvement and multiplying them by the length between the furthest points along the length of the improvement.
 * Land is:
 * land that has not had an improvement built upon it; and
 * to avoid confusion land is measured in square metres.
 * Property Tax on property required to be paid is calculated by taking the concerned individual or corporations measured property and levying a set amount which goes to the Ministry of Finance depending on the amount of measured property owned:
 * the first two hundred and fifty square metres are exempt from this levy; and
 * all other property has a levy of seventy five Lovian cents per square metre
 * Property Tax on land require to be paid is calculated by taking the concerned individual or corporations measured land and levying a set amount which goes to the Ministry of Finance depending on the amount of measured property owned:
 * the first four thousand square metres are exempt from this levy; and
 * all other land has a levy of ten cents per square metre:
 * unless the land is under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service or is being used for agricultural purposes, in which case all other land has a levy of one cent per square metre.
 * Property Tax can be payed in two ways and must be paid every year on the 1st of March:
 * unless otherwise requested, the Ministry of Finance will manage the payment of Property Tax for individuals and corporations;
 * however individuals and corporations based in Lovia have the right to request that they be allowed to manage the payment of their Property Tax;
 * the Ministry of Finance may not refuse this request and must supply the individual or corporation with the documentation to file their own taxes.
 * Evading or otherwise failing to pay Property Tax is illegal:
 * evasion of said taxes can be punished by imprisonment for any length of time, by a fine set at a reasonably equivalent amount or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit.
 * Article 9.3 - Import Tariff Act
 * Every individual or corporation who brings goods from outside Lovia's national borders into Lovia's national borders must pay Import Tariffs should they be defined by law as eligible to do so:
 * to be eligible to pay Import Tariffs an individual or corporation must:
 * have brought goods from outside Lovia's national borders into Lovia's national borders with the intention of selling those goods within Lovia's national borders:
 * only the goods that are being intended to be sold within the national borders of Lovia are eligible for tariffs.
 * Individuals or corporations who have brought goods brought from outside Lovia's national borders into Lovia's national borders must register the goods with customs officers:
 * failure to register all the goods that have been imported due to either intent or by negligence is illegal:
 * failure to register all the goods that have been imported can be punished by imprisonment for any length of time, by a fine set at a reasonably equivalent amount or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit.
 * Import Tariffs are required to be paid on all the following described imported goods when they are first sold within Lovia's national borders:
 * agricultural goods:
 * crops, plants, animals, woods, fish and aquacultures.
 * mining goods:
 * coals, lignites, crude petroleum, natural gas's, metal ores, stones, sands, clays, chemicals, minerals, peats and salts.
 * manufactured goods:
 * processed meats, processed fish, processed aquaculture, processed crops, oils, fats, dairy products, beverages, tobacco products, textiles, apparel, leather products, wood products, paper products, printed media products, recorded media products, coke, petroleum products, chemical products, pharmaceutical products, rubber products, plastic products, mineral products, processed metals, metal products, electronic products and optical products.
 * Worth is:
 * the amount of Lovian Dollars the good is sold for.
 * Import Tariffs required to be paid is calculated by taking the worth of the imported goods when sold and levying a set percentage which goes to the Ministry of Finance:
 * all worth has an exclusive levy of ten percent.
 * Import Tariffs can be payed in two ways and must be paid every year on the 1st of March:
 * unless otherwise requested, the Ministry of Finance will manage the payment of Import Tariffs for individuals;
 * however individuals have the right to request that they be allowed to manage the payment of their Import Tariffs;
 * the Ministry of Finance may not refuse this request and must supply the individual with the documentation to file their own tariffs.
 * Evading or otherwise failing to pay Import Tax is illegal:
 * evasion of said taxes can be punished by imprisonment for any length of time, by a fine set at a reasonably equivalent amount or by the confiscation of property as the judge sees fit.

Pro

 * 7 votes - Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 12:49, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * 16 votes. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:51, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1 vote. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 17:01, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Abstention

 * while it seems good on a first reading, it's a big act and eleven hours in the First Chamber is simply not enough for proper scrutiny. I haven't even had the chance to comment yet. --Semyon 13:19, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * okay then, take your time to scrutinise it here in the comment sections, sorry if I did rush it a bit but I'll address any concerns you raise fully. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 13:21, December 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * back to first chamber for discussion. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:34, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * back to first chamber or it's a contra for me. This still needs lots of review, and from many more users. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:54, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is being and has been reviewed and the only real concerns that attention could be given to, those of Semyon have been dealt with to my understanding, I would hope that if he was to give his support that would show that this is ready to be put through. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 18:06, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * You know how many congresspeople are left to look at the bill? I suggest you take it back and leave it for a few more days to ensure good reviewing and any modification proposals. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:09, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Let's get this essential bit of legislation passed shall we? Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 12:49, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

047. Honours Act

 * 1) This Act makes provision for the creation of two bodies, recognized by the Lovian Government and sponsored by the monarch.
 * 2) The Order of the White Pine.
 * 3) The Royal Academy for the Sciences and Humanities.
 * 4) The Order of the White Pine (OWP) consists of Lovians who have rendered service to the nation, either by bravery, work or other means, and is headed by the Grand Master of the Order, who is appointed by the monarch.
 * 5) The OWP may be awarded to no more than 20 individuals every year.
 * 6) Any inhabitant of Lovia may nominate an individual for the award.
 * 7) The decision as to which individuals will receive the award will be made by Congress, and confirmed by the monarch.
 * 8) The insignia will be awarded by the monarch and Prime Minister on the 21st of June every year, at the Royal Palace.
 * 9) The insignia of the Order consists of a circular badge struck with the image of a pine tree upon the obverse and the date on the reverse, suspended on a white ribbon.
 * 10) Any member of the Order has the right to use the initials OWP after their name.
 * 11) The Royal Academy for the Sciences and Humanities consists of academics who have made a significant contribution to their field, and is headed by the Rector of Blackburn University.
 * 12) The purpose of the Academy is to fund scientific research and advances, and to create a forum for academic discussion in Lovia.
 * 13) Prospective members must possess a postgraduate academic degree awarded by the Blackburn University.
 * 14) New members are created in the following way:
 * 15) Candidates may be proposed by any member of Congress under the guidance of the Rector of Blackburn Univerity.
 * 16) The members of the the Academy will then vote, on the 1st of June each year, to decide which of the shortlisted candidates to admit.
 * 17) The new members will then be inducted by the Rector.
 * 18) Members of the Academy have the right to use the initials MRA (Member of the Royal Academy) after their name.

This proposal has been in the First Chamber for almost eight months, so I'm going to submit it for voting. --Semyon 16:36, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Pro

 * this has been sitting around so long I thought we'd already passed it actually :L - Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 16:49, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:57, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * 16 votes. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:58, December 23, 2012 (UTC) though I still disagree with its ideology :P