Forum:Second Chamber

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The Second Chamber is one of the two chambers of the Lovian Congress, the federal legislative branch. Unlike in other nations, the lower chamber serves as a room for debating and compromising, and the higher chamber is where Members of the Congress vote bills that have passed through the First Chamber.

All inhabitants are allowed entry to the Congress, though only Members of the Congress have the right to actively participate and vote.

Announcement
I will soon clean up the above proposals which are not accepted. All MOTC have one more day to comment or change their vote; we need room for newer proposals such as our Political Reform and the Economic Involvement Act. 07:25, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good, you do that :) 15:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The proposals have been moved to the archive (number 7). 06:33, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

2010 State Reform Bill
I will not post the full monty here in the 2nd Chamber. I will create voting lists for each of the seven parts. There will be links to the articles under review. If you have questions, just ask. 15:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

When abstaining, please explain why. Abstention is the wish not to vote. If you disagree with the bill, it is better to oppose it than to abstain. 15:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Content (1): Structural change (Constitution Art. 4)
CONTENT: click here

MAJORITY REQUIRED: 75%+ (13 MOTCs)

PRO

 * 1)    15:59, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:02, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)   16:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Jon Johnson 19:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  -- 07:59, August 7, 2010 (UTC) (Probably the nicest part, together with Content 2.)
 * 6)   08:57, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7)  Bucu 12:45, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  Martha Van Ghent 15:31, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9)  Lars Washington 11:04, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10)  Harold Freeman 09:22, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11)  Percival E. Galahad 20:22, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12)  Christina Evans 09:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13)  Sjorskingma 07:54, August 18, 2010 (UTC) No more shit with local levels that remain unfilled. I like it
 * We got our full majority here. Please keep voting, MOTCs! 12:46, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

ABSTENTION

 * 1)  --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:55, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Approved
This part of the amendment is approved. 12:46, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * 87.5% (14 out of 16) of the MOTCs cast votes.
 * Of all valid votes, 92.9% were in favor of the bill; 7.1% abstained.
 * 81.25% of all MOTCs were in favor of the bill; 6.3% abstained; 12.5% did not vote.

Content (2): Competencies (Constitution Art. 5)
CONTENT: click here

MAJORITY REQUIRED: 75%+

PRO

 * 1)    15:59, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:02, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)   16:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Jon Johnson 19:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  -- 07:59, August 7, 2010 (UTC) (See comment (1).)
 * 6)   08:57, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7)  Martha Van Ghent 15:34, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  Lars Washington 11:04, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9)  Harold Freeman 09:22, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10)  Percival E. Galahad 20:22, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11)  Christina Evans 09:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12)  SjorskingmaWikistad 07:56, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

ABSTENTION

 * 1)  --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:55, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Approved
This part of the amendment is approved. 12:46, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * 81.3% (13 out of 16) of the MOTCs cast votes.
 * Of all valid votes, 92.3% were in favor of the bill; 7.7% abstained.
 * 75.0% of all MOTCs were in favor of the bill; 6.3% abstained; 18.8% did not vote.

Content (3): Amending the law (Constitution Art. 6-7)
CONTENT: click here

MAJORITY REQUIRED: 75%+

PRO

 * 1)    15:59, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Marcus Villanova WLP Flag of Lovia Small.png 16:02, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)   16:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Jon Johnson 19:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  -- 07:59, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6)   08:57, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7)  Martha Van Ghent 15:38, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  Lars Washington 11:04, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9)  Harold Freeman 09:22, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10)  Percival E. Galahad 20:22, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11)  Christina Evans 09:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

ABSTENTION

 * 1)  --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:56, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Approved
This part of the amendment is approved. 12:46, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * 75.0% (12 out of 16) of the MOTCs cast votes.
 * Of all valid votes, 91.7% were in favor of the bill; 8.3% abstained.
 * 68.8% of all MOTCs were in favor of the bill; 6.3% abstained; 25.0% did not vote.

The Constitution requires that more than three fourths of all valid votes cast is in favor of the bill. Those who did not vote, thus, have abandoned their opportunity to oppose the bill. 12:46, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Content (4): Elections (Constitution Art. 8)
CONTENT: click here

MAJORITY REQUIRED: 75%+

PRO

 * 1)    15:59, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:03, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)   16:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Jon Johnson 19:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  -- 07:59, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6)  = 08:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7)  --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:56, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  Martha Van Ghent 15:39, August 7, 2010 (UTC) going for a firm majority here!
 * 9)  Lars Washington 11:04, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10)  Harold Freeman 09:22, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11)  Percival E. Galahad 20:22, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12)  Christina Evans 09:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Approved
This part of the amendment is approved. 12:46, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * 75.0% (12 out of 16) of the MOTCs cast votes.
 * Of all valid votes, all (100.0%) were in favor of the bill.
 * 75.0% of all MOTCs were in favor of the bill; 25.0% did not vote.

Content (5): Trials (Constitution Art. 9-10)
CONTENT: click here

MAJORITY REQUIRED: 75%+

PRO

 * 1)    15:59, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:02, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)   16:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Jon Johnson 19:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  -- 07:55, August 7, 2010 (UTC) (This change was an urgent one. Naranja!)
 * 6)   08:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7)  --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:57, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  Martha Van Ghent 15:41, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9)  Lars Washington 11:04, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10)  Harold Freeman 09:22, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11)  Percival E. Galahad 20:22, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12)  Christina Evans 09:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13)  tempting to abstention. What to do with all the empty state courts? SjorskingmaWikistad 08:04, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Easy one: we can use them for government agencies, commercial activities, momunements, museums... Plenty of possibilities  12:45, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Approved
This part of the amendment is approved. 12:46, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * 81.3% (13 out of 16) of the MOTCs cast votes.
 * Of all valid votes, all (100.0%) were in favor of the bill.
 * 81.3% of all MOTCs were in favor of the bill; 18.8% did not vote.

Content (6): Police (FL Art. 5-6)
CONTENT: click here

MAJORITY REQUIRED: 50%+ (9 MOTCs)

PRO

 * 1)    15:59, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:02, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)   16:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Jon Johnson 19:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  -- 08:01, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6)  08:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7)  Martha Van Ghent 15:54, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  Lars Washington 11:04, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9)  Harold Freeman 09:22, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, another part we have the required majority for. We're getting there. 17:16, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  Percival E. Galahad 20:22, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Christina Evans 09:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

CONTRA

 * 1)  --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just curious: I thought you co-authored this state reform? Martha Van Ghent 15:35, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * He didn't co-author; Oos Wes and I just worked out the "general idea version" of this reform plan. Nevertheless, I find his contra-vote strange too. On the other hand, it was predictable... 17:02, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * A little explanation for my contra: I believe that we should still keep the state police in some way, f.e. keeping the police stations but then they're no longer state police stations, but "local national police stations". If you understand what I mean. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:22, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're lucky OWTB: that is still very well possible under the FedPol Act . We could very easily maintain a police station in every state or city/town. 10:45, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. Then I'll change my vote è. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:20, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now: why the abstention?  17:16, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cause I don't want to be the last voter :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:05, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

ABSTENTION

 * 1)  --Bucu 12:55, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:20, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  SjorskingmaWikistad 08:06, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Approved
This part of the amendment is approved. 12:46, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * 87.5% (14 out of 16) of the MOTCs cast votes.
 * Of all valid votes, 78.6% were in favor of the bill; 21.4% abstained.
 * 68.8% of all MOTCs were in favor of the bill; 18.8% abstained; 6.3% did not vote.

Content (7): Places (FL Art. 7-8)
CONTENT: click here

MAJORITY REQUIRED: 50%+

PRO

 * 1)    15:59, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:02, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)   16:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Jon Johnson 19:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  -- 08:01, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6)   08:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7)  --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:59, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  Martha Van Ghent 15:55, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9)  Lars Washington 11:04, August 8, 2010 (UTC)$
 * our first content bit passed!! keep voting please! 16:01, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  Harold Freeman 09:22, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Percival E. Galahad 20:22, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  Christina Evans 09:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  SjorskingmaWikistad 08:08, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Approved
This part of the amendment is approved. 12:46, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * 81.3% (13 out of 16) of the MOTCs cast votes.
 * Of all valid votes, all (100.0%) were in favor of the bill.
 * 81.3% of all MOTCs were in favor of the bill; 18.8% did not vote.

State Reform approved!
The 2010 State Reform Bill has been approved by Congress by the required majorities. It might take some time to implement all changes of this amendment. Congratulations to all supporters of the bill! 12:46, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

To the non-voters: you choose not to vote = you choose not to participate in democracy. Please vote if you're elected to vote. 12:46, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well done! Martha Van Ghent 07:19, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lovia rocks! Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  08:19, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, she does! Martha Van Ghent 09:23, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * (Shouldn't it be: "Lovia jazzes!" ?)

Economic Involvement Act
Finally ready to vote. 12:29, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Bill (FedLaw)

 * 1) The federal government of Lovian has the right and power to execute direct economic activities; either
 * 2) In the form of a State-Owned Company (SOC), when having a majority of the shares.
 * 3) An SOC is headed and run by a branch of the involved federal department(s).
 * 4) The goal of an SOC is to provide a certain public service to the people of Lovia.
 * 5) Any company providing a public service can become a SOC, by Congressial rule.
 * 6) When declared a public service by Congress, only the designated SOC may provide this service.
 * 7) In the form of a State-Involved Company (SIC), when having a minority of the shares.
 * 8) An SIC is run privately, but with Congress as a shareholder, represented by the involved federal department(s).
 * 9) An SIC is a means in the execution of the governmental policies.
 * 10) Any company that is of importance to governmental policy may become an SIC.
 * 11) Only the Congress has the right and power to approve or alter the statute of a SOC or SIC, by altering the Economic Involvement Act in the Federal Law.
 * 12) The executing powers are responsible for their own economic decisions.
 * 13) A complete list of all State-Owned and State-Involved Companies and their specifications:
 * 14) The Lovian Energy Company, of which 60% of the stocks are owned by Congress, represented by the Department of Energy and Environment;
 * 15) The Lovian Water Company, of which all stocks are owned by Congress, represented by the Department of Energy and Environment;
 * 16) The Unified Railroad Company, of which 60% of the stocks are owned by Congress, represented by the Department of Transportation.

PRO

 * 1)   12:30, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  But I barley support thiss bill but it would be even more stupid to vote contra! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:32, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I really think it is about time Lovians get water out of their taps. Serious, why the hesitation? 16:34, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like the bill and what it does but I like to simplfy but I always think Liberalism over Libertaranism! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:38, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see, glad you voted pro anyway. I'm only handing out my own companies (and Dimi's). 16:40, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  However i would have liked other solution over this one, but it might simplify anyway Jon Johnson 16:49, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Although I have my doubts on state-owned railways, I know the importance of state-run electricity and water distribution. Percival E. Galahad 20:24, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  And I'll tell you why:
 * 4) A major problem is solved: we finally have proper water supply in all of Lovia.
 * 5) By unifying the energy companies and bringing them together as a state-owned corporation, the government can guarantee good and fair prices.
 * 6) Our railroads have always been perfectly in order. Until somebody came here to over-build new railroads and billions of railway stops. Useless stuff. To avoid more of this building frenzy, we must unify them and give the authorities and only the authorities the right to organize them. Just as with energy, this allows us to choose low and fair prices.  17:17, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Superb man, the first comment reminds me of il postino Jon Johnson 17:29, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha . Metafore! 18:08, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Non c'é l'aqua :p Jon Johnson 21:23, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * You guys know perfectly well how to humiliate someone (me) who did edits in good faith. I spent quite some time on the railways, and the only thing you can say is " Until somebody came here to over-build new railroads and billions of railway stops. Useless stuff.". I'm not in doubt why so many people leave Lovia after a set period of time. If I were you, I should feel ashamed. You really dissapoint me. SjorskingmaWikistad 13:17, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * As a socialist i had to vote pro, this is a really good bill, sorry but here my ideology speaks, and not something else, it's nothing personal Jon Johnson 13:20, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your enthusiasm was appreciated; you changing companies in which you don't own stocks was wrong; you building state-owned stations and railways was illegal. 18:22, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * The stocks are, like, virtual. I don't see the point. I did my edits in good faith. They were constructive, and if you just say you are okay with them, there is no problem. SjorskingmaWikistad 19:18, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ever wondered how many hours I spend on making a map, a seal, write new station articles, rewrite railline articles, change time tables, thinking it all out? And now you want to delete it all. This is bullying someone away, and very childish. SjorskingmaWikistad 19:27, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with a newly state owned railway company. But: PRC already owns all Lovian lines, so the only thing we need to do as Lovian congress is "buy" PRC. Changing the name to URC is silly, because it costs time to change the name everywhere. I vote pro if we keep the name PRC and keep my precious and time consuming work on the railways. That's a reasonable deal, isn't it? (And if you don't think it is, I exspect it to be not without a good argumentation) SjorskingmaWikistad 19:36, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * We love your edits, really, I've been discussing with the pm on the excellent quality of the railroad map! The only issue we have is you not communicating on those extra stations, we actually don't need, but if you had asked, we could of done something Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  20:17, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just like Jon says, it's not that we don't appreciate effort. We do. The problem is you did not consult ANYBODY. You edited a firm that's not yours. You edited a government ownership (railways) without permission. You built stuff on land that's not yours. All this without even talking to anyone who could have helped you out. No matter how much effort you put in it, you put effort in it without thinking (enough). I'm sorry. 21:54, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't like it when people suggest I lack the ability to think. I consider that an insult. Btw, You agree with the map and stuff, don't you? Why don't you give permission for the stuff right now, and the next time I WILL consult the person in charge of the subject I'm about to edit. SjorskingmaWikistad 08:37, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, that 'd be great! We even want to keep your map, but tell me: is it difficult to remove the stations that 'actually' don't exist? btw: don't forget to vote this bill Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  09:34, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course I will vote :) but first I want to be assured Dimitri is okay with it as well. Maybe we can have two stations in Portland? It's quite a big town. (And then I don't have to change my map, and the template, and the other articles.) SjorskingmaWikistad 07:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry but in portland i don't want two stations, sorry mate Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  10:58, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * "but first I want to be assured Dimitri is okay with it as well" => I won't give such a guarantee; because I'm not okay with this theory of yours: "We created sth very nice, and spent hours doing it, and therefore it's immoral to do away with it, regardless of law or rule." 13:22, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  Walden says aye. Martha Van Ghent 15:53, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)   14:17, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  --&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Aesopos/HT}} 16:14, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Harold Freeman 07:41, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

CONTRA

 * 1)  --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:51, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  --Bucu 19:16, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

ABSTENTION

 * 1)  I wish not to vote. -- 13:46, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

004. Sports and National Team Act

 * 1) Lovian boules is recognized as the national sport of Lovia.
 * 2) Congress hereby commits itself to protect the sport and its culture as national heritage.
 * 3) A national sports team is a team that performs a single sport at a high level and represents Lovia during international contests, championships and friendly games.
 * 4) Congress can grant a sports team this title and duty by a normal majority.
 * 5) The ownership of a national sports team remains with its original proprietor.
 * 6) Congress will provide in a part of the expenses of this team to guarantee regular practice and performance.
 * 7) Congress may revoke this grant by a normal majority when the team does not represent Lovia correctly, with dignity and without wrongful conduct.
 * 8) Congress bars players who abuse narcotics, or any other substance that illegally improves a player's game, or have abused narcotics in the past twelve months from participating in a national sports team.
 * 9) Drugs that are prescribed by a fully qualified doctor of medicine may be used.
 * 10) At all times, other doctors of medicine may question the prescription and file for re-examination. If two other fully qualified medical professionals find the prescription unnecessary or harmful and therefore illegal, the sportsperson may no longer use the prescribed drugs.
 * 11) Non-governmental governing bodies in Lovian sports may bar players from playing:
 * 12) On reasonable suspicion of drug abuse;
 * 13) On ethical grounds, that is when a player acts not appropriately and without dignity, or when he or she has violated the law.
 * 14) Minors, that is people who have not yet reached the age of eighteen, must be a member of a sports player's union to protect them from wrongful conduct.
 * 15) Minors may not participate in outside physical training or games when the outside temperature is below 10 degrees Celsius (50°F) or above 35 degrees Celsius (95°F), nor may they participate in inside physical training or games when the temperature in the specific room is below 15 degrees Celsius (59°F) or above 30 degrees Celsius (86°F).
 * 16) Minors may not accept financial payment for sports achievements.

Pro

 * 1)  Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:09, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Martha Van Ghent 07:10, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  I largely agree with Jon but am willing to vote pro. After all we need to start somewhere.  07:14, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't we choose BOWLING  Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  09:33, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC) I agree with Youri...
 * 2)   12:58, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  The protection policies for minors are very valuable. -- 14:20, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Contra

 * 1)  I don't support state-appointed national sport teams. Percival E. Galahad 10:40, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  sport clubs should be able to assure their own future. Harold Freeman 07:43, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) What? Did you read the bill? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 18:50, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) I mean c'mon did you even read the bill? Your reason for voting contra is very foolish, becuase it does exactly that. It sponsers sport and helps it grow in Lovia! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 18:52, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Abstain

 * , sorry man, but i think all sports are equal, you can't just choose one to protect, no offence, i think we need more laws of this kind, so i don't vote contra Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  21:26, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) So don't vote pro, Boules is a significant game! It need to be embelished, As active chairmen of TL I protected all sports and reborned sport in Lovia! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:22, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

005. Recognition of the existing localities
A while ago, the PM made a poll about which new places we should keep. Most of the voters thought Portland and Novosevensk were okay; many didn't find Plains worth keeping. We must bear in mind that we cannot keep building. We are a small archipelago that is not densely populated. So.

Proposed recognition
I hereby propose the following:
 * Congress recognizes all the following localities as cities, under the Lovian law:
 * Newhaven and Noble City
 * Congress recognizes all the following localities as towns, under the Lovian law:
 * Kinley, Hurbanova, Portland, Sofasi and Train Village
 * Congress recognizes all the following localities as hamlets, under the Lovian law:
 * Adoha, Beaverwick, Clave Rock, East Hills and Novosevensk
 * Congress recognizes all the following localities as neighborhoods, under the Lovian law:
 * Abby Springs, Artista, Bayfield, Bayside, Citizen Corner, Drake Town, Downtown NC, Downtown HU, Downtown KY, Downtown SO, Hightech Valley, Hurket-on-Kings, Industrial Park, King's Gardens, Little Europe, Little Frisco, Long Road, Malipa, Mandarin Village, Millstreet, Newhaven (neighborhood), New Town, Old Harbor, Old Port, Pines, The Mall, Trading Quarter, Transcity

As a result hereof, these localities will enjoy the rights described in the Federal Law and Constitution. All other "localities", which are not recognized by Congress, will have no such rights, and will be subject to removal.

Voting
This bill will not be in the Federal Law; it's just to make sure that Congress has full power over its towns and so. Martha Van Ghent 14:20, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

PRO

 * 1)  Martha Van Ghent 08:37, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)   Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  09:04, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)   12:59, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  -- 14:20, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6)  Now let's get those other bills into congress and have some state elections! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:23, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7)   06:36, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  Percival E. Galahad 10:41, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9)  Bucu 16:03, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10)  Harold Freeman 07:43, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * We have our majority. I consider this bill approved. Please keep voting though =)) Martha Van Ghent 09:49, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

ABSTENTION
✅ like Martha already pointed out. 08:48, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

006. State Elections
According to the latest reform:
 * During a period of two weeks, any Lovian citizen and resident of the state can become a candidate in the State Elections. This period begins exactly one month before the day of the inauguration of the Governor and Deputy Governor.
 * During a period of two weeks, any Lovian citizen can cast his or her vote in favor of a candidate in the State Elections of the state of which he or she is an official resident.

Because the majority of the Lovians prefers October as election month, and a minority wants September, we could do it like this:
 * 20th September - 3rd October: Candidacies
 * 4th October - 17th October: Elections
 * 18th October: Inauguration of the Governors and Deputy Governors

I'll ask Congress to vote on this proposal. But we also need to solve two more things before the candidacy period:
 * 1) we need to settle the number of residences each citizen has. We need to count them and make sure nobody has more than legally allowed.
 * 2) we need to register these residences in the "citizen book" so we know who can be a candidate in which state and who can vote in which state. This is very important.

Martha Van Ghent 08:47, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Citizen residences count
If we want this huge work to get done, we better start now. I'll list up all citizens and their residences. When I find citizens with more residences than allowed, I'll send a message to him.

I will propose a bill to Congress to change the legal number of residence. I hope to do this before the counting really starts and all that. Please react fast. Martha Van Ghent 12:44, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Voting
We're voting to hold the State Elections at the dates mentioned above. A normal majority.

PRO

 * 1)  Martha Van Ghent 14:52, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)   17:13, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  -- 21:04, September 2, 2010 (UTC): Mr. Latin is actually right. I hereby give my full support to a version of this bill that features a later inauguration date to fit the legal requirements.
 * 4)   JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  21:12, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 22:55, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6)   06:38, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7)  Harold Freeman 07:44, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:59, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9)  Percival E. Galahad 09:39, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * We have our majority here too. I propose we change the Inauguration date to fit the legal thingies, like the king said. I suppose that's fine with y'all? Please keep voting; Martha Van Ghent 09:50, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

ABSTENTION

 * 1)  I'm pro, but I feel the necessity to mierenneuk : This period begins exactly one month before the day of the inauguration of the Governor and Deputy Governor. --Bucu 17:37, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

✅ by a normal majority! 08:46, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

007. Amendment (Art.2): fixed (3) legal residences for all
Currently: This reflects a strange sort of hierarchy, and I don't like that. So this is what I propose: There would be no difference between the King, the PM, the MOTCs or the citizens.
 * inhabitants have 1 residence
 * citizens can have 2 residences
 * MOTCs can have 3
 * the King and the PM can have 4
 * inhabitants may have 1 residence in Lovia
 * citizens may have maximum 3 residences in Lovia

In law, this would result in this Article 2 of the Const.:
 * Art. 2
 * 2. Every Lovian citizen has the right:
 * 1. To have a number of residences in Lovia, but no more than three.
 * 2. To participate in federal and state politics and to be a candidate in any Lovian election, unless he or she does not meet the requirements.

Art. 2.3 and 2.4 are deleted then.

Martha Van Ghent 12:50, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Voting
This bill needs a two thirds majority to pass. It is a Constitutional amendment. Martha Van Ghent 14:52, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

PRO

 * 1)  Martha Van Ghent 14:52, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Bucu 16:04, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)   17:13, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  -- 21:04, September 2, 2010 (UTC): A necessary yet simple improvement.
 * 5)  Good work again martha  JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  21:14, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6)  Very Good! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 23:48, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7)   06:40, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  Harold Freeman 07:44, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9)  Equality is a necessity in society. Percival E. Galahad 09:40, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10)  SjorskingmaWikistad 10:09, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

CONTRA

 * 1) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:00, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why? (if i may ask) JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  18:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with the original text. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:45, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

002. Act on the Fight Against Poverty

 * 1) To fight poverty among the inhabitants of Lovia the Board on the Fight Against Poverty (BFAP) is erected under the Act on the Fight Against Poverty, supported by Congress and the Department of Welfare.
 * 2) The composition of the board is as follows: the Secretary of Welfare, three Lovian citizes appointed by the Secretary of Welfare, and the Prime Minister.
 * 3) The board will perform the following tasks:
 * 4) The evaluation and financial support of (voluntary) organizations that aid the poor in Lovia;
 * 5) The creation and management of facilities to give shelter and food to the homeless in Lovia;
 * 6) The creation and management of a Center for Societal Welfare (CSW) in Lovia.
 * 7) The CSW may grant payments to the poor in exchange for supervision.
 * 8) The CSW may appoint social residences with low rent to people in need.
 * 9) The board will work together closely with other initiatives that fight poverty, both private and public.
 * 10) The Department of Culture, Heritage and Education will foresee a Learning Point.
 * 11) The Learning Point offers cheap basic education according to the low doorstep principle.
 * 12) The Learning Point will focus on guiding Lovians who have not received proper and full education.
 * 13) The Learning Point may be an instrument for the CWS to aid its people.

Voting
This bill needs a 50% majority to pass. Please vote. 08:42, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

PRO

 * 1)   08:42, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

003. Ocean and Fishing Act

 * 1) Parts of the Lovian ocean are protected under the statute of natural reserve
 * 2) An ocean can only be declared a natural reserve by the National Park Service
 * 3) When it is endangered or likely to become endangered within years
 * 4) When it is of unique importance to the existence of the wildlife
 * 5) All fishing and fun diving is prohibited in these reserves
 * 6) The National Park Service is responsible for these reserves
 * 7) Fishing quota are introduced by the Department of Industry, Agriculture and Trade
 * 8) Fishing quota can be imposed by the department
 * 9) To protect certain species from extinction
 * 10) To maintain the populations high enough
 * 11) No fishing is allowed if the species is endangered or likely to become so within years
 * 12) Limited fishing is allowed if the population is likely to slink under the average
 * 13) No prohibition can be imposed if none of the above mentioned conditions are met

Voting
This bill needs a 50% majority to pass. Please vote. 08:42, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

PRO

 * 1)   08:42, September 5, 2010 (UTC)