Talk:Communist Party of Lovia (neo-marxist)

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Flag
Woulden't it be nice to have a flag that your supporters could wave around and cheer with, hope you like it.0-Sunkist- 21:54, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Communist Indiana? 81.188.48.146 12:32, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is kind off showy and very related to Indiana indeed. I'll give it a think.  15:20, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think is isn't something we need, ideology goes before symbolism, that's what i think. Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  15:58, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now-a-days people don't care much for ideologoy, but names and symbolism, i flag wouldn't hurt. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 17:17, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyone heard of the 5 principles of vexillology? Semyon E. Breyev 18:46, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't hurt, though i am a man of ideology and not of symbolism, (but hey symbolism is important, it's the only way to be unique) but in politics, i think meaning should be first symbolism second Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  21:23, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Jon: meaning is constructed through symbolism; every word is a symbolic representation in itself. But I know what you mean, people shouldn't get carried away by the package - it's the content that matters!  07:13, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Off course, the dude is always correct :p your being very undude here Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  08:18, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * That is because I'm not the Dude.  08:20, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me guess: you fellows are constantly referring to Lebowski? :;)) Martha Van Ghent 09:22, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  09:28, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't actually seen it, but there's a YouTube extract featuring all the mentionings of "Dude", really funny. Martha Van Ghent 09:29, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's not the real dude, i, on the contrary, am Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  09:35, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed it is, y'all have the Mall sign as Indianapolis-s-s flag.--Sunkist- 20:40, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay let's clarify - The Indinapolis flag looks like the The Mall Flag that looks like this, A city having a flag like that is okay, but since the flag your suggesting looks like the Mall flag it prob won't be approved, but still communistist need a flag! Maybe the Soviet Union Flag? It's Red and simple! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:28, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't need a personal flag marcus, we are communist ideologists, and ideal is our 'flag' :p Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  21:30, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha well put, but don't you always imagine flag waving commies! I love those kind, marching do crazy shit... and I don't mean Nazis those are dirty people! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 22:00, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just Like a Waving Flag! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 22:26, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know the people and i love them, but i rather think we could use a flag with the party logo then a 'communist flag' (nice flag though) Jon   THE DUDE   Johnson  05:49, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah it's alright if you don't use your flag, i do perfer Modern Commies than Old Commies! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:16, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for your input. I myself made a logo-to-flag design people can wave with at rallies. If you fancy to bring your own attributes like KGB-jackets, Mao-masks or second hand Lenin statues feel free to do so. I however don't think a majority of the party members supports the official adoption of signs next to our party logo. 07:46, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support here yuri, nice flag JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  10:46, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like yuri's Logo-to-flag, mine was kinda-like a RUssian Battle Flag! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 23:03, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * It reminds me of the Soviet naval flag.  06:28, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is!! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:29, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

State Elections
Jon and I already had some conversations on our campaign and strategy for the upcoming elections. To expand the discussion I created the Election Strategy Board. All members are free to contribute. 06:20, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have seen the strategy board and think its great. Also, comrades, feel free to check for the speakers corner and react to my latest speech I posted on there. You see, I noticed my last speech had some flaws and Marcus even went as far as to suggest I was refering to the IGP with the loyalty and strength-part and the fact I said I was a patriot. Of course, dear members of the party, this was never my intention. Therefore please read my latest speech (the longest campaign speech so far, by the way) and comment to it. Thank you, BastardRoyale 11:21, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is never easy for us commies to balance between the authoritarian past and the progressive future. I'm sure we all understand. 14:26, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry BR it was more of a JK. Election Strategey board? Walden inspired? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:28, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sort of. Jon and I discussed a lot IRL but we really wanted to get everyone involved. 14:29, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool...off topic onnly two active members live in Oceana how does that play out? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:31, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a problem: two candidates (at best) and only two votes. Even if they agree to vote for just one of them they don't make the three-vote minimum. Maybe I'll move over there so we at least can have one guy elected. 14:34, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes i might sadly leave Kings for Oceana,Or TV for Oceana? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:35, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose most people will move, I live in Kings three times which is rather silly. We should spread our votes to give everyone a chance. (Shame on me) 14:36, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Always Good to diversify. Nah, I 'll Stay on peace Island but From TV to East Hills? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:38, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * A possibility. I will have to choose between my residences in Newhaven (2) or the one in Beaverwick. Not an easy choice to me!  14:40, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are we sure we can't write a law saying we can have two houses in each state?! Well with me leaving that's TV's 5th Mayor in Three Years.! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:42, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can even have three houses in one state (like me) but you can only vote once. That means that two of my votes can't go to candidates who need them (like in Oceana). 14:44, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know I diverisifed - One vote in Clymene, One Vote in Kings, One Vote in Oceana! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:48, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you going to vote for me and Jon?  14:50, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Write In: Drabo Dooinan }... IDK well see. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:52, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * What about Drabo?? 14:55, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * My write in Vote Drabo . No just Kidding. It appears to me if you own two houses like you said now in Kings and one in Novo, and one in Adoha are you breaking the law? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 14:57, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Until shortly I was allowed to own four (as PM). Is that piece of legislation already approved and implemented? 14:59, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah it is Law Breaker! ! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 15:01, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just checked and according to me it still needs one more vote since 75% is required. 15:02, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * oh well until then Law Breaker! Anyway... offf topic please delete this page - NFL Offical Betting or somthing. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 15:06, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Gone.  15:08, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do People serioulsy just come here and create a page and do shit and never come back again? That happens alot, why? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 15:12, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe they get payed for it? Most of the time it is about a marriage site from Thailand or buying an American green card. Dubious things you see. 15:15, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was late with response: Really thoses are stupid things...Green Cards? Oh and join the orginization I just created LADD or Lovians Against Distracted Driving! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 15:24, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal to merge with the NLS
I received a proposal by NLS frontman Ferenc Szóhad. He would like to merge our two parties under certain conditions. Currently I'm comparing our programs and writing a short resumé. When finished it will be published here and we can put it to a vote. 08:13, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, here are the issues we need to vote upon, I take it that Sjors will make his decision afterwards. 11:38, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * MORENO, our youth organization, is renamed to New Lovian Socialists (NLS)
 * I think we have a good name currently but wont oppose to a new name. 11:48, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * , a name doesn't change the content of a party, but moreno is what we chose in the beginning, so no need to change JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  12:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10:44, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * BastardRoyale 15:48, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * a name is just a name Olaf Engelund 14:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alyssa gets replaced as head of the youth organization by Sjors
 * If she agrees upon this herself I will vote pro, Sjors is after all more active. 11:48, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * but only with alyssa's support JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  12:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10:44, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * BastardRoyale 15:48, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sjors has experience, but i love alyssa as leader Olaf Engelund 14:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sjors becomes the deputy chairman of the CPL.nm
 * We just have a chairman (party) and a spokesman (Congress) and they don't have any power. All decisions are made by a vote and we should keep it that way. 11:48, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since NLS is not joining CPL.nm, but they are both joining each other, it seems to me that it is fair if I became spokesman.
 * I disagree, but I will respect the outcome of this vote. 12:13, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * So do I. It's not an important issue who holds the power, but how that power is used. SjorskingmaWikistad 12:15, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Chairman and spokesman have no power, they are more like honorary titles. Everything is decided by vote. 12:16, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The current party top has managed to settle itself in the highest level of political standards, no need to replace the top then I think JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  12:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10:44, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * BastardRoyale 15:48, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * we have good leaders, and actually he just joins Olaf Engelund 14:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sjors is actually not my real name, btw, you need to change it in George. SjorskingmaWikistad 12:08, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * We support the recognition of Plains as final location.
 * I'm willing to defend this with the party though I don't think we should put it in the actual program. 11:48, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * since I'm to involved JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  12:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10:44, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * BastardRoyale 15:48, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * why not Olaf Engelund 14:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * We support the recognition of the train stations added to the net by Sjors.
 * As long as we don't need to take all of them. Some more is alright but Portland for example doesn't need two stations. 11:48, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. We can delete one of the Portland stations. SjorskingmaWikistad 12:08, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * if those in the mountains and in the south are not pushed throug, not need to have a station where nobody lives JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  12:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'l make a little shortlist: Howard mountains railway station to be deleted (although I feel it would be nice for hikers and anture lovers to have a little railway station), one of the Portland stations, and Southern Marshalnds Station (although again I feel it would be nice for hikers and anture lovers to have a little railway station) What do you guys think? SjorskingmaWikistad 12:35, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Pro, although congress has the final power, i'd support this last proposal! JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  12:37, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed; stations in every town is a must but we must preserve our natural beauty too. 12:39, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10:44, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * BastardRoyale 15:48, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I love Sjorsjes stations Olaf Engelund 14:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * We all know you best as 'Sjors' or at least I do. Doesn't mind anyway, this is just a talk page.  12:15, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can I have your e-mail for better communication? SjorskingmaWikistad 12:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * sure, joerivds[the_usual_sign]live.be 12:30, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * We should really get a IRC Lovia thingy!? Right? Makes life easier! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:10, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

No offense, but I don't think we as a party have asked anything. We should be prepared to make some compromises but we can't change all every time we are about to get a new member. 10:44, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a new member who is a MOTC already, and who owns his own party. Thus, the rewards are: an extra MOTC, a rival party less, a stronger memberboard, and a unification of communist/socialist ideas. SjorskingmaWikistad 14:46, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, since I don't have enough patience to wait until everybody voted, I'll make my decision now. I think the NLS is fit to merge with the CPL.nm.

Also, I'll give a short overview of what I think of the results:
 * The MORENO/NLS name thingy is rejected, it seems. I'm okay with that.
 * The MORENO organisation: maybe Alyssa and me can share leadership? More like a board? But it isnt important for my decision to join. We can always work this out another time.
 * The Deputy Chairman position is rejected. I'm again okay with that.
 * The recognition of Plains: we can put a congress vote through now, and I hope the other parties will understand how unfair it is that Plains has to be deleted, while the other two towns not.
 * And the same for the stations

I read the party manifest of the CPL.nm, and I don't think anything needs to be added there.

SjorskingmaWikistad 15:16, September 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hohoho! Voting isn't done yet, I have yet to vote. BastardRoyale 15:47, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am okay with you joining in, but nothing will change. BastardRoyale 15:51, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Let us put it this way: Sjors joins, which makes our party stronger, we have a MOTC extra and a lot of experience JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  21:23, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * @sjors - I don't care what Walden says IDK but I think Martha doesn't like Plains for some reason, i like compromises so I like Plains, I like that the two candidates can agree on somthing! But I like Plains and Orenge Gardens As Hamlets. Hopefully that can pass to congress. Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:59, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Membership cards
On the party page there is my membership card as an example. Jon lately asked me if he could have one too so I made him one; if any of you guys wish one too please do ask. 07:41, September 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * looks terribly professional! nice nice! 07:55, September 22, 2010 (UTC)