Forum:The Pub

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nl:Forum:De kroegli:Forum:De Kaffeero:RoWikicity:Cafeneasv:Forum:Krogen Welcome to The Pub! This is the general meeting place in Lovia. Inhabitants can make public announcements, have a friendly chat with some copatriots, or discuss crucial issues in Lovian politics or business. Speeches can also be made at Speakers' Corner. All archives of The Pub can be found here.

Western Sylvania and Oceana autonomy
To get things straight concerning which parties support and which do not, and also what places should be in Western Sylvania (f.e. should TV and Clave Rock be included?), I'm gonna make a table. I hope all the big parties and also the smaller/independents will answer. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:03, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Could someone explain these independence movements to me? i honestly am not familiar with what they are or where they come from. :/ Daembrales (talk) 00:33, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I added mine (I think that is what you were asking). I don't seem as revolutionary, I know, but we don't need to divide Lovia any more than it is currently. — Christopher Costello (Pikapi • Chat  • What's up ) 01:40, December 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would like to let you know, the Stephen Headland Union is also contra on a Western Sylvanian State, the org is just helping the commmunity, not making areas independent.  Happy65   Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 08:10, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Our policy concerning districts
Okay, what is our policy concerning pages about the newly created districts? I thought we decided that pages on the districts are okay, but no pages about any individual three-barn settlements within those districts. Is that right? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:18, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * No reaction is also a reaction :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:34, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * and this is a reaction too (even though I'm giving no answer).  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 10:04, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * True :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:11, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep. What you just replied is also a reaction.  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 10:16, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, the "no reaction is also a reaction" was already a reaction to the fact nobody had reacted :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:17, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Haha (this is a reaction).  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 10:21, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is my reaction to all of your reactions. Any reactions to my reaction? 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 11:32, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, this is my reaction.  Happy65   Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 11:38, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear me, having a fun day guys? :L Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 12:52, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * My reaction: Kunarian's reaction was the best reaction. It was the only reaction that caused me to react with laughter. --Semyon 13:21, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hahah, anyway, could we - please - get back to the topic. I need a contents-having on-topic reaction :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:39, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear. :P Anyway, I agree with everything you said in the first sentence, so I have nothing to say. --Semyon 09:47, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:37, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Vaegir
Vaegir, a monarchy in the North Sea, a former colony of Great Britain and a kingdom founded by me (and User:Trewsq)! If you want come, you need to come! Wabba The I (talk) 17:10, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Link?  Happy65   Talk CNP   17:13, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

this is the link Wabba The I (talk) 17:31, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Looks okay. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   16:56, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

I edit too many wikis to join though, sorry. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  17:09, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Ban auctions!
* gibber gibber* --Semyon 19:43, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * $1,000 Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 19:49, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * What? No! <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:52, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see what you did there Sunkist. :P --Semyon 19:52, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Lol <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:54, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Only if we also ban images :( --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:37, December 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * No! We should ban banning standard uses on Lovia! --Quarantine Zone (talk) 03:25, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * We should ban banning anything. 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 06:31, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * At least ban some of the things that are banned in USA's law (lovia is a former us colony).  <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 08:23, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Happy: that's not true. We've never been a colony. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:50, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's ban lying on the forums! --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:38, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I was thinking of harvia which is infact a former US colony. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 07:20, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * The wikinations have different histories, you know :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 07:26, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 16:55, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wonder which wikination has the most colorful history; it certainly isn't Lovia, though. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:59, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Brunant probably has the best history. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:07, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wars, coups, revolts, assassinations, its got it all. But in the past fifty years I would say Libertas has had all the action (2 civil wars, I think). And in the past 3 or 4 Lovia has seen its fair share of action (probably more going on in this period than the rest of Lovian history combined). HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:14, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:21, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mäöres is indefeatable. We even have genocide and colonies :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:29, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * A nation with a population of 65'000 having had genocide and colonies? :P 77topaz (talk) 11:10, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Then it's unrealistic if it has colonies and only 50,000 population. Very unrealistic <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 11:10, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * On a small scale: when the first Limburgish people came to Mäöres, they slaughtered the indigenous population (=genocide), and sometime after that, they occupied neighboring islands, such as Little Scotland (bought from England) and Aedslandj (conquered). And Mäöres used to have more inhabitants, but most of them left the country because of political instability and poverty. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:34, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * If it still has those colonies, and hasn't lost them, then it is still unrealistic. When britain lots it's population, look how many colonies it lost. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 07:38, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually not. The British colonies were larger than Britain itself. The colonies of Mäöres were way smaller: Little Scotland only having 600 inhabitants, of which about 40% is Limburgish, Aedslandj having about 15,000 inh., of which about 30% is Limburgish, and Fuujlandj having about 5,000 inh., of which 70% is Limburgish. Smaller colonies are easier to keep. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:40, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * So between Brunant and Mäöres, they have probably 80% of all wikinational conflict. And colonies!?! That's a little passe, don't you think? In Brunant, the only similar thing we have is Mermaid Island. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:58, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, colony is perhaps a big word, but it functions exactly they same. The areas were controlled by "mainland" Mäöres. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:24, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Under the control of Emperor Ilava? <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 09:05, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * No :P Rónd Beie and Rógk Zeel are more responsible for that :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:32, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 09:52, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Agreement League
As stated in the Speakers Corner by me, we need agreement, and I thought that maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to create an agreement league or whatever word for group you want to use. The idea is that anyone could join, and lobby for government agreement instead of arguing. You can check out the speakers corner for more, but if anyone is up for it I think it could be started. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:43, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Possible Logo?

A coalition, you mean? 77topaz (talk) 03:22, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

That's the idea. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 03:27, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well, we usually don't have many problems agreeing besides just plain inactivity, but it's nice to get it a shot. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 03:38, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   07:40, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well it would be nice to have this. We need to get Lovian politicians to learn how to truly compromise and this is a great think to get things going. @TM- Back when all the old users were around, Lovia used to work in a European style political system with good compromise. Now they've left and it seens like we're shifting towards an American-style system in some cases. HORTON11 : •  13:53, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't agree with that, as Oos and Bucu protested and voted against many laws that were pushed through by the communist-moderate leftist (Walden + a few others) dominated Congress. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:32, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Although, simply passing a bill isn't compromise. That would be giving up, which isn't good in politics. You need some pieces from both sides or a new approach that both sides like. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:38, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Please, no idolization of old users. They were good, yes, but no better than the ones we have now - and to say they used to work 'with good compromise' is a blatant lie, sorry. I can't think of any events since 2011 that compare to the so-called Case Villanova, 'fraud' in the 2010 state elections or the infamous Donia Crisis. --Semyon 14:17, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

You're really picking on me lately, Semyon :'( Have to agree with you though, but that's just our political system. Turns out the Mäöreser system is the fairest and least democratic one :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:26, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I assure you, it's always either unintentional or a joke. ;) --Semyon 15:00, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Still, you've broken my heart :'( --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:16, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm just saying they had a more "European outlook" on politics and their only major political clashes were with the extremists like IGP and Doorian. I've never been one to idolize the old, but its time to forge a new identity and people should thing of you, me and others like Kunarian when speaking of "great Lovian cooperation" HORTON11 : •  14:43, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Still don't quite agree with you there. :P I apologize for saying it was a 'blatant lie,' though, that was unnecessary. Sorry. --Semyon 15:00, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

The only ideological difference is that - from an American perspective - we used to have a 100% socialist Congress that never passed any social bills :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:52, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Haha. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  18:28, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Polynesian Empire Wiki!
To all the rightist conservatives out there. I've made a new wiki that will be rightist conservative. rightist.wikia.com It's the Polynesian Empire, and if you'd like to check it out, go ahead. Nathan of Fleffenstool and I will be making a Constitution momentarilly, but it may take a few weeks to get started. We're planning on having interraction b/w Lovia and Polynesia too. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 20:13, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

So only rightist conservatives are allowed to edit there? :-( —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:14, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

You do realise Polynesia refers to an existing island area (composed of multiple nations and territories)? 77topaz (talk) 21:25, December 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * You know, I should join and make a Marxist-Leninist Revolutionary League over there (perhaps even a Maoist faction too :) HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 22:01, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * IRL i'm a progressive-socialist, here a labour-center-leftest. BUt since were creating stuff and experimentating in political ideologies, Horton, I may take you up on that ;D a Communist revolutionary party. We're just experimenting in the ideas and stuff :D Marcus/Michael Villanova

Anyone can edit, but there will be laws put in place from the start that will make it rightist and conservative. It will be a Democratic Meritocratc Republic. Nathan and I are busy for the next few days, but the Constitution will be made soon enough. The are will be fictitious just like Lovia. It will have three major islands. One to the right of New Zealand, one to the right of the rest of the Polynesian Islands, and one above the Polynesian Islands. It should encompass most climates, and attract many tourists. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:41, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to help this if it remains neutral from the begining. There was once a wikia around this idea (literally same thing center-right, island nation) and it failed. Can you consider making it nuetral? Marcus/Michael Villanova 02:45, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. I might give it a try one day. Vivaporius says: "I don't need a slogan!" 03:20, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * The site is called "rightist" for goodness sake, Marcus. Something tells me that is a point that he won't be willing to compromise on. :L — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 03:23, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * But that makes a wikia horrible. In havinge xperience in this, and knowing wikias. The founders of this wikia (although progressive) never enacted progressive reforms in the wikias founding but let the users to make the wikia w.e. they wanted it to be. not just what the founders want it to be. Marcus/Michael Villanova 03:41, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's more of an experimental thing for Nathan and I to do stuff with, a sort of Utopia for us. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 04:39, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 11:03, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Check Mate
If you make me King, I'll make sure we have taco tuesdays. Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 22:21, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * An excellent venture, I think, worthy of our support. --Joshua Katz 22:40, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Huraah! Three squeels for the Duke of Pigs! Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 23:14, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bring this to the Second Chamber, (kidding) <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:08, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bring it to the  Second Chamber, spice up the political arguement. I'd like to see what people really do think of the idea of a new monarch. I've lead a coup once, I'll do it again *Not Really*. Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 18:31, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd run for monarch. Since the king has no power, there's no real point though. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 18:53, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want, you may be King on Vaegir. Wabba The I (talk) 19:02, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I might, but I'll think about it. I'm still doubting wether to join, as it will take some time up. I really admire the wiki though, and think it is improving quickly. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:08, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not just stay here and enjoy beautiful Lovia? Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 19:15, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * This will always be my main wiki by far, Charles. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:35, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Running for monarch"? That seems contradictory. :P 77topaz (talk) 10:13, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cambodia and Malaysia would disagree, aswell with Belgium (to a degree). Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 10:31, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to all!



 * Haha, Merry Christmas Marcus! — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 17:01, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, merry christmas to you too, QZ. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP LogoCNP.png 07:15, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Political Role playing wiki
User:Crystalbeastdeck09/Roleplaywiki --- check it out. This idea of a small (self-ruling) medieval city state. It of course bends the possibility of what is possible but is advances on roleplaying and politics. Bennett seems to be on board, anyone else? Marcus/Michael Villanova 15:02, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

I will be the evil bastard. This has a wonderful Game of Thrones feeling to it. Digging it! Jean-Marie V (talk) 20:04, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

New blog project
Hi there all! Yes, I'm back, but to meddle in Lovian politics, but rather to announce my newest blog project. After Monticello to Walden (which went in hibernation in March 2012), I set up The Dimitri Post. Unlike what the name suggests, this blog is not in English.

The Dimitri Post is a Dutch-language news blog in which I make a humble attempt at bringing American news to Belgium and the Netherlands in a fair and balanced way (and I don't mean to play on Fox News' tagline here). For the time being, there's a lot of short news stories, but in due time, I will definitely offer more exhaustive news coverage of major events.

I hope to welcome you all over there from time to time, or at least those of you who know Dutch :D. DimiTalen 15:54, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, it's great to see you back on the wiki. I guess I never saw you or Regialourm since you both became inactive. I am english, but can speak some dutch so I will read it. Will you return active here? <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 16:10, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Je probeert ook altijd weer sluikreclame voor je blogs te maken è :P You're always trying to illegally make some commercial stuff for your blogs è --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:13, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * @OWTB: I won't deny that.
 * @Happy65: Well, I have many and great memories about Wikination, but I've moved on to other things now. I do hope you enjoy yourself here. With the right people, it can be great fun on this wiki! Best, DimiTalen 16:44, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Dimi: Thank you for your advice. I hope you have fun on your blogs. You should make a christmas speech since you are king, and unless you retire from that position, you remain the king. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:08, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why sluikreclame? This seems like pretty clear reclame to me. :P 77topaz (talk) 20:00, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Happy65: Considering the controversy caused by the king's Christmas message in Belgium, I shall refrain from doing any speeches myself :P. But of course, I wish all of you pleasant holidays and a happy New Year! DimiTalen 07:23, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Dimi: Okay, good luck writing the Dimitri Post. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 08:02, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, perhaps it's just normal reclame :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:50, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Oos: . <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 08:59, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cough* *Cought* Has his majesty seen from my proposal, taco Tuesdays if I were to be King, perhaps abdication of the throne for the sake of tacos, and also the Lovian people? Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 18:30, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Ahem! You do not have royal blood and therefore cannot become the king, nobody without royal blood can. And Taco Tuesdays? You are going to bring the whole population of Lovia into a big hall eating millions of tacos. The best mexican restraunt in the world could not do that! <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   18:38, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Blood is not everything child, blood did not appoint his first majesty to the throne, they gained it. This is my Five Step Taco Plan, (FSTP)


 * Introduce Lovian kids to healthy tacos on the weekday of tuesday, replacing any food of that day.
 * Every tuesday, taco reasturants will gain a government tax break, thus when you buy the tacos, you get no taxos.
 * Creation of a taco shop in the capital building and royal palace. People will follower their King (me *cough* *cough*) and his loyal politicans to praticipate in this national ritual.
 * Increase economic ties with Mexico, they are close and plentiful with tacos. Also, they have oil.
 * Presentation of the 'unfoldedtaco' a national mascot to parade down our streets every Thanksgiving and Christmas to trow tacos to the crowds.


 * But, back to the blood part, I really do love French fries, so if french fries are Belgian, and you are what you eat, thus that makes me Belgian. Check Mate. Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 19:09, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Being Belgian does not give your Royal blood. But if we are to apply that logic, we can just as easily select Gert Henneman. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:16, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fine, if we are going to play dirty. I say we have a sing off for the crown. Whom ever sings the Belgian national anthem the best, wins. Agreeable? Charles Alexander Bennett (talk) 19:24, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The king has no executive power, and therefore we do not need another one, but then again I am not against you. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 19:49, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Guys, there's no need to elect or appoint a new King. Mäöres is - secretly - planning to invade Lovia and make yet another colony of it :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:14, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oos, that makes exactly no sense. :P 77topaz (talk) 10:38, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably it doesn't yeah :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:52, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

IWo Games
Everybody look at Talk:2013 IWO Games and User blog:Happy65/Brunant 2013 because there is information about the IWO Games. Granero (talk) 04:56, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Not many people seem to be taking any notice of the Brunant Bid Team though. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  08:04, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Joining a Party
Being new here, I am confused as to which party I should join. I'm a populist, so I support people's rights, and I'm somewhat of a libertarian. I don't have much of a religious position, being agnostic. --X572083x (talk) 20:15, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to say, the CNP is full but I hope that if you become a citizen we can have your support. I'll let you know that the CNP were born out of populism, we have a huge support for personal freedoms and have a very libertarian approach to government. We uphold Democracy and Individualism above all with the aim of uniting the people for a better tomorrow. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 10:57, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

CNP, PL or GP could work for you. Would you consider yourself concerned about the environment? 77topaz (talk) 21:46, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * ^That was my 1000th edit on Lovia, woo! :) 77topaz (talk) 08:51, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Or, this: http://nation.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Agreement_Coalition?diff=prev&oldid=148272 77topaz (talk) 09:22, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not very concerned with it really. I don't have many policies on it myself, so I don't have much of an opinion on it. I've decided to join the PL once I obtain citizenship. --X572083x (talk) 22:41, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, if you ever want to change your mind, I would like to let you know that the CNP has been proving 2nd best on the polls behind CCPL and has almost exactly the same beliefs as PL, and we are not much nationalist, we are a conservative libertarian in the center-right position just like PL. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   09:14, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah come on Happy of course we're nationalist, it's in the name! ;D Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 10:57, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Less nationalist than libertarian. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 11:29, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Second best after CCPL? That ain't a good advertisement, 'cause that would imply joining CCPL is better (which it is of course..) :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:16, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the polls have been sockpuppeted by your sockpuppets, therefore cnp would win without your socks voting. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   11:30, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoa if sockpuppets have been fixing the polls to make Oos look better then that invalidates it all including the good stuff for the CNP besides no need to throw accusations around k happy, after all so close to voting we need all the friends we can get. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 11:35, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

No, I didn't. You may want to check when I last logged in with Anfii: Special:ListUsers: 17:45, September 3, 2009. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:54, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Federal  Elections
I tried to add myself to candidacies (I just got 50 edits, this is my fourth day, and I have a permanent residency), but it's locked :( I want to run, but I am unable. --Strobe 00:59, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I believe that you still should be able to. You did see where to add yourself and know how to do so, right? — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 01:44, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

GoYou and the remnants of Jeff
For those of you who were online last night (New York time, I'm too lazy to convert), you may have noticed that I made some rather big changes to some of Jeff's old articles, such as GoYou and his characters. Now Jeff was banned from all Wikia's by Wikia itself a while back, so I don't expect to see him again, however, his articles covered some pretty major stuff regarding the Lovian market. Last night, I happened across some of his articles, and seeing as how I was Jeff's biffle, I took it upon myself to look over his articles to improve the story and the wording behind them a little bit. If you compare these articles, chances are that you will like the newer, more wikified layout a little more. Unfortunately, and the reason that I bothered bringing this up is that I made a stupid mistake, having overlooked that Artie McCand was supposed to be the creator of GoYou, not Bill An (which is what I changed it too), and now I feel guilty and want to restore most of it to its previous state, whilst retaining all of the positive changes that I made. I will be looking into fixing this myself over the next couple of days, but if anyone would be willing to lend me a hand or share their opinion on the change, I feel that it would be highly constructive. Cheers, — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 20:11, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

HAPPY NEW YEAR! - a word from Lukas Hoffmann
Although it's not new year in Lovia for many the time has gone by and we're entering 2013 with a whole new load of hope, ideas and aspirations. Looking back on 2012 we had to recover from the civil war which left us with many of the veterans of Lovia leaving and did we? YES! we had to rebuild a community which was left shaken after losses in 2011 and did we? HELL YES! we had to keep Lovia running and keep it interesting and did we? YES AGAIN!

This year has been full of successes despite not quite making the political progress we hoped. But in this new year I believe that with the strength that this community has and the new co-operative attitude many of us are bringing to the table that we can do more in 2013. So for now enjoy your drink, enjoy your fireworks and enjoy being with your family!

HERE'S TO A NEW YEAR WITH A NEW DIRECTION!

TO LOVIA!

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 00:16, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yay! — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello  (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 02:01, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Great speech! Hopefully we can accomplish more politically next term. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 04:07, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yep! <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   07:06, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Like TIme here I have to commend you on your speech. Now, with a little bit of compromise we can get things going again for 2013. HORTON11 : •  17:38, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Vote smart
This, election, it is time to vote smart. Not for the gimmicky campaign, not for the fancy metaphor but for the man who delivers on what he sets out to do. This year, Justin Abrahams has: Now when you go out to vote, be sure to vote for results and not promises. And lastly, get out and vote. HORTON11 : •  17:30, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Expanded a good and solid education system in Clymene
 * Improved health care for the whole state
 * Begun transportation reform in Lovia

Justin Abrahams has: Vote for CNP to reign him in so he can do good but not bankrupt Lovia. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 17:39, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cost Congress more money than all other congressmembers this year combined. (probably)
 * Vote him for the boom and bust

One mo I should probably explain myself a bit more not just throw mud. I think that you can do great things for Lovia, I just think that without a reign on what you're doing you'll cost Lovia more than you will benefit it. You need a balance. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 17:40, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

My comment just dissapeared :O <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   17:44, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Now wait a minute there, Mr. Hoffmann. I would like to spend, but there are always limits to things. We can't spend reckelssly or else we'll be down the dumps like the Greeks, and we can't tax 70% like Sweden or else everyone will be broke. Once we have taxes and a budget we will be able to determine how much we can spend without breaking the bank. HORTON11 : •  17:51, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * We should probably also consider the recent costs of our actions. The ones in Clymene I think far exceed the rate at which you should have been spending, so we'll see. But I have a hunch that I'll be proved right. Hoffmann LogoCNP.png Kunarian TALK 17:56, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * What I have been spending on are all very essential services. I am not going for extravagant things like a space base. I would stop that spending if congress were to take this over, but for now I'm taking the lead in this. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:05, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Go back, Hoffmann. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 17:57, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Chat Moderators
I've noticed the chat moderators on here. I am confused as to how they are picked, as some users, such as Timemaster, have been active for much longer and have more edits than some of the chat moderators. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 22:45, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

It's about the experience on Wikia's Chat, not about experience on the wikis. All the users selected as chat moderator's are extremely experienced on other chat rooms and have been appointed by Prime Minister Oos Wes Ilava as they have gained his trust. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   09:32, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, a chat mod status is not as important as admin rights. Cause they can be reverted easily. If TM wants chat mod status, he can ask and he'll get them. I'm not gonna make a problem of it :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:15, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

If Timey want to be Chat Moderator, I want it too and Pierlot and all the others. Wabba The I (talk) 15:00, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Mmmm... That does change the situation slightly. I slightly fear kick-and-ban situations if everyone has got mod status :| --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:52, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I request you remove my chat mod status, though I fear it's not possible, since I don't really know what I'm doing. :P I think I already kicked Horton without meaning to. @everyone: being mod/admin doesn't mean you're more 'special' than any other user. :) Otherwise, I might have had a few more seats last congress. :P This year admittedly I hope to do slightly better, but that's because of my relentless propaganda. --Semyon 16:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

@Semyon: indeed impossible :P @propoganda: there ain't no way to beat Uncle Oos :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Is that a challenge è? :P --Semyon 16:26, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

You just gotta admit who's the "head admin" here :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:34, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

No head admin, Mr Ilava. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   16:58, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I'd say it's Dimi... --Quarantine Zone (talk) 17:00, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Haha, that's the spirit. Most of the community does no longer class dimi as an "admin" <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   17:03, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, he is King here, and founder. Even if he isn't active. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 17:10, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

True. <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   19:54, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Oos: you do realise chat mods can't kick/ban other chat mods? (except for admins being able to kick "normal" mods IIRC) 77topaz (talk) 20:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Haha, even I admit Oos is head admin, but I'm sceptical of the 'head propagandist' claims. ;) @some people: No, Dimi is the head bureaucrat. ;) --Semyon 21:42, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I guess it does seem like Oos is the head admin, but we should have a poll :) <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   07:15, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Have we actually kicked or banned someone already? (except for Semyon kicking Horton :P) And anyway - I'm gonna get serious here, enjoy it 'cause that's rare :P - admin rights is just a burden officially, I'm not more important than anyway on paper. Ofcourse, I'm the head editor active here --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:15, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

I edit the most actively actually (25 edits per day) since late October (I only edited one day in May and left). <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP   08:23, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

True. But overall, I'm still the guy with most edits who's actively involved with the community. Not that that's really important :P Quality above quantity è. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:45, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Let me say something. Semyon by far has the most edits of "quality" <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  07:43, January 8, 2013 (UTC)



Damn Technology
Im sorry i was inactive (i hate being inactive) but my computer broke right after christmas during the time of the year where cheap laptops are alls old out but was able to then get a Dell Insprion laptop for 299.99 today :D so happy its great and will be able to be your favorite rampaging Labour politician again :D HAPPY NEW YEAR :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:46, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Happy New Year! :D $299.99 is a great price for a laptop, you were lucky to get one that cheap. Though I have a feeling technological stuff is cheaper in the US... --Semyon 21:43, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Semyon, it's called taxation :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:16, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't know, there's none in Lovia. :P --Semyon 13:57, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hahhaa :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:03, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Two spare characters?
Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone would like two spare characters for the 2013 NCO. They are John Bass and Simon Beck, and have centre to centre-right viewpoints. Both are former leaders of the NLP which was a classical liberal party, so PL or CNP are likely homes for them nowadays. GP and SLP are less likely but still plausible. If you accept this once-in-a-lifetime offer, your party will receive the prestige of having pre-2008 MOTCs as members. :P --Semyon 21:54, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to claim both for the CNP if you don't mind, I get the feeling social centrists and economic conservatives with a focus on the north would be great for my party of confederates and classical liberals. They'd be great additions for the expansion of our northern vote. :) Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 22:30, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

That's great Kunarian. I forgot Keith Moore, btw, tho' perhaps it's reasonable that one would have retired. --Semyon 22:38, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well I thought that the NLP founder John Bass might have retired but if it's possible I'd like them all unless you feel that's unreasonable. I'd like John Bass to be a useful proponent of free market and a national representative, Simon Beck to be a leader of our educational program and Keith Moore to be a assistant campaigner of Daves for the northern vote particularly in Clymene. :) Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 22:55, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Seems ok to me. :) Though the NLP's 'official successor' today is the SLP, as NLP --> Liberal Union --> LDP --> SLP, so some explanation as to why all the major NLP members are now in CNP instead might be necessary. --Semyon 10:06, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

I suppose after each merger a small group dissatisfied with the new party would have left and become independent or simply retired from politics. When a party such as CNP was formed that was more in line with their views, they would have joined it. I'm sure you can find some way of getting these three into the CNP in a way that fits with the party's history (whatever it might be. :P) --Semyon 10:12, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

My opinion on this issue is that LDP also contained CNP or PL style members until those parties formed to fit the growing number of Lovians who adhere to those views. Once the rightists in LDP left (according to your reasons), it changed its name to SLP to fit the views of the remaining leftists and centrists. :) —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:51, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

A ruthless policy, could be initiated in an article near you.
Deaesopization anyone? :P --Semyon 14:00, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Too lazy to do it myself :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:04, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Be my guest. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:07, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * :P <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 16:42, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I hate those side information stuff. Most of them are from Aesopos and his sockpuppets. Wabba The I (talk) 17:33, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's why semyon said Deaesopization. You get it? <font color="Teal"> Happy65  <font color="Aqua"> Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 07:49, January 8, 2013 (UTC)