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Legal base for claiming Western Sylvania?
I just found out something:

It seems Dimitri made a mistake in map-drawing. Does this mean Oshenna can formally claim Western-Sylvania and Discovery Isle? :o --O u WTB 12:49, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, because it doesn't agree with the actual history. You can go ahead and try and claim it but it'll only make you vulnerable to Semyon's attempts to take the head adminship! :O Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 12:52, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I might use it for a nice historical story about King Arthur II (or whoever was in charge in 1905) :P --O u WTB 12:53, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * You could use it for the basis of a story that grants an Oceana claim in the forming of the states. As western Sylvania (the headland specifically) was dominated by Stephen's Land (a loose grouping of settlements) along with the independent areas of Charleston and Jason's Ranch, which I believe the Americans of Collinia might have claimed at some point during the negotiations due to the fertile lands and feeling that they were owed something due to the loss of Bostaat. And Discovery Island famously embarrassed diplomats of Collinia and assisted Bostaat and they did demand reparations and make claims in the discussions as detailed on Pool. So really a claim wouldn't be too unlikely. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 13:00, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * :o Also, perhaps the NC government was afraid to create a Slavic state on which they had little influence, therefore adding Western Sylvania, and Oceana's population was relatively low as well :P --O u WTB 13:03, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * That might have been discussed by the more Machiavellian of the Kings advisers however I'm pretty sure once proposed to the Stephen's Land residents, in any form, was promptly refused, especially by the fiercely independent settlements of Jason's Ranch and Charleston. It could've even been something that raised the willingness of Collinian representatives (the slavic ones) to rescind all claims to Bostaat, Western Sylvania and Discovery Isle. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 13:12, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mmm.. But that still does not explain why Boborbrod and Severnybana were handed over :o --O u WTB 13:27, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Boborbrod was within the Pale pre-1905 and was content with NC governance. Whereas most settlements under the Pale south of the Beaver River were discontent and felt more connected with the Slavs in Collinia and equated the Dutch/Belgian government of NC with the American government of Collinia. Severnybana was part of Bostaat. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 13:38, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mmm.. Not fully satisfying answers, but I'll take 'em :P --O u WTB 13:44, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well obviously they weren't for some people at the time either. After the forming of the states some areas that were divided on where they had wanted their settlement to be in the political division experienced crime and trouble, like some areas of the TV Plains that wanted Bostaat to be its own state. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 13:55, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I can understand that Severnybana and Boborbrod were placed under Sylvania for practical reasons (Emeralds and Beaver River as border). Couldn't that've had some influence? :o --O u WTB 13:59, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh of course, I was thinking of political reasons. There of course was a geographic reason, which was also the reason for why Bostaat formed as it did, because the beaver river and the Emeralds provided a natural barrier to Collinian influence. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 14:11, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hahhaa :P Sounds logic though :P --O u WTB 14:15, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Your King Speaking
Your King's on a top-secret mission to the Far East. He will be back home in early November. Love you guys. Long live Lovia! And may God bless her. 110.55.0.80 22:12, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

This edit was made by an IP. :P How do we know it is TMV and not an impersonator trying to trick us? :o 77topaz (talk) 22:55, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well, if TMV disappears it might be TMV who said that :P But if he disappears that could also mean that he's been kidnapped :o 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 06:18, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

I got you guys some proof. TMV said he was going to the Philipines: - IP address is from teh Philipines :P --O u WTB 06:52, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

He didn't say the Philippines, just the "Far East". And even that doesn't debunk 4kant's theory. :P 77topaz (talk) 07:19, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

I do recall him saying he'd go to the Philippines on chat though :P Besides, the Philippines are in the Far East :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 07:38, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

This is not fake, for two reasons - 1. he said he was going to the Philippines and that's where the IP was. :P 2. noöne has a reason to fake it. If it said 'I am resigning as king and Semyon shall be my successor' maybe we should be suspicious. :P I like the kidnapping idea though. :P Maybe the kidnapper's tricked him to going to the Philippines so he can seize control of his account. :o --Semyon 12:50, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * It is real, for two reasons:
 * I say so.
 * Just because.
 * 110.55.2.247 15:18, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

But do we have any proof against the kidnapping idea? :o 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 05:58, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * You're influenced by the philosopher Popper? Falsification instead of verification? :P --O u WTB 08:39, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Election results
With two gubernatorial positions, the United Left is the winner of these elections. Congratulations to all those individuals and parties who obtained a position! :) --Semyon 16:12, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Clymene.
 * Gov. Marcus Villanova, UL
 * Dep. Charles Jones, CNP
 * Kings.
 * Gov. Marcel Cebara, UL
 * Dep. Jhon Lewis, CCPL
 * Oceana.
 * Gov. Oos Wes Ilava, CCPL
 * Dep. Justin Abrahams, UL
 * Seven.
 * Gov. Semyon Breyev, independent
 * Dep. Dave Leskromento, CNP
 * Sylvania.
 * Gov. Lukas Hoffmann, CNP
 * Dep. Nicholas Sheraldin, GP
 * Congratulations to everyone who took part! When do the newly elected people start? Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 16:14, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Constitutionally, they're inaugurated on the 1st of November. Apart from that, I don't know. --Semyon 16:19, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mind if I edit the State election page (not the State election forum) to show that the elections have finished, and I'll add percentages too! Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 16:31, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, it seems like soebody changed my data. I registered as UL (http://nation.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:State_elections?oldid=167487) but now it shows NPO. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:34, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was Oos, unsurprisingly. :'( @Frijoles: yes, go ahead. We should invent some percentages for the fictional candidates too though. --Semyon 17:12, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Feel free to change the fictional percentages if you like :) Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 17:14, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Horton: see - unsurprisingly, no reaction. Marcus once said that in Oceana Labour/UL never ran, and only NPO did. --O u WTB 18:03, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, UL ain't Labour and Marcus isn't party leader, and I did see that message and believed it was for the state council election, which was changed. The character Justin Abrahams is only a UL member so it should be changed, but state council can be kept as NPO. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:11, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okai, we'll stick to that :) --O u WTB 07:02, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

(Vaguely related) notice
I'm going to take a post-election wikibreak. Expect me back at around the start of November. :) --Semyon 12:10, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * :o --O u WTB 09:22, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Forum:Clymene State Council Elections
If you live in Clymene run :D! But mind you this is an important job! So if your not going to be active please just watch and vote! Follow the rules and everything will go according to plan! (sorry if i'm jumping the gun with the governorship, I have some freetime now so better get it done now than later) Marcus/Michael Villanova 01:07, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Very good! :P --O u WTB 06:17, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good work Marcus! Seeing as your holding the Clymene elections early, I think I'll hold the Kings elections very soon as well :) Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 06:28, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * United Left already making a major difference :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:42, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would have already opened candidacies for the elections, but I'm not sure if I'm technically the governor yet Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 22:46, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I technically am not either, jsut I have free time now :p hope everyone is understanding :) Marcus/Michael Villanova 01:08, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Of note
http://wnfa.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:WFC_2014/Qualification#Group_H. HORTON11 : •  19:08, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

WNFA Leaders League
Some of you may have heard of WNFA, the Wikinational Football Organisation that consists of almost 10 wikinations. These include highly reputable wikinations such as Lovia, Brunant, Kemburg, Maores and Libertas. For those have you who haven't seen it, be sure to check it out by clicking here.

The WNFA Leaders League is back again, and with Brunanter club Grijzestad Strijders winning last year, it's another battle for the title, and with Grijzestad surprisingly not qualifying for the competition this year, it's one of the most open years in the history of WNFA. For those of you that want to see your teams' progress in the competition, or simply just want to see how everything's going, be sure to click here every week.

If you're new to WNFA, and just want to sign up to the organisation, please message me here.

Thanks alot. Happy65, WNFA President

A roleplay system for Wikination?
Let me just get out of the way first. I love this wiki. It made me feel welcome when I joined this wiki months ago. They were accepting of anyone's suggestions, but, I feel like there's something missing from this wiki. Yes, this is a wiki about a fictional nation, but it just seems boring after a while. You don't really get to "interact" in the nation. It also seems too easy that you can get an apartment unit in one of the vacant apartments of the country, as long as it is vacant. I then brainstormed about a roleplay system, which would make living in the country of Lovia much more realistic.

Here's my plan:

When you create a new user on this very wiki. You get to name your person and their personal info. After they are created, you have some ranks. When you join the wiki, you will gain the rank of immigrant. Then, you are faced with a page that shows and compares the various places to live. It will show the cities and towns the names, how much the average house or apartment unit costs. When they make their choice and click on the city/town of their choosing, they then have to choose their house/aparment unit. When they buy their house/apartment unit, some money will be taken away from their bank account. Their starting amount is $10,000 Lovian dollars, to make the move easy for them.

After they move in their apartment/house, then they are presented by an infobox below the page they are visiting, it shows the name, the amount of money they have in their bank account, their health, and their inventory. On a page that is interactive (such as a restaurant or apartment). For example, lets say that their apartment unit has a pool, you click "Go to the pool", and then you go in the pool, and when you are tired, you are forced out of the pool. When you are tired enough, in the apartment/house, you will be forced to go to sleep or if you are anywhere out of reach of a bed, you'll faint and wake up in an awkward position the next morning.

Now, I like to make this clear. It is actually $9,500 Lovian dollars in their bank account, which is a Maxi debit card. They have $5,000 Lovian dollars in banknotes as emergency cash. Time in Lovia will be advanced an hour every twenty minutes in realtime.

Now, here are some of the scenarios that you can roleplay in.

Say you went go to the Big Kahuna fast food restaurant and want to order the Big One by itself. According to the menu, it is $6.90 in Lovian dollars, but there is a $0.40 tax, which will make it $7.30. You'd basically click "Pay", and then The Big One appears in your inventory (and $7.30 disappears from your bank account). When you click on the "Big One" in your inventory, you'd eat the burger, and your health would say "Full". If you stuff yourself however, you will eventually gain the status of "Overweight" and if you eat long enough, "Obese".

Now, the jobs system.

Now, let's say you want to work at a Maxi supermarket around the country. On the bottom of the Maxi page, you'd click on "Get a Job Here at Maxi". You'll be redirected to a page where it asks you which Maxi supermarket you want to work at (a tip is that you choose one close or in your city). When you choose your location, you are asked to fill out a job application. You write your personal (read: fictional) info, and sometimes, the job applications allows immigrants, other times it doesn't. When you finish the job application and submit it, it randomly chooses on whether you're accepted or not. If you're accepted, congratulations! You will get your salary (which can be increased or decreased by getting promotions). If you're rejected, continue your search for a job.

Now, I'm going to have to stop here, since it might take up the entire page if I continue writing my roleplay plan. I might start a user page on my account and write out the entire roleplay system.

Do you like it, do you think it can be implemented into the Wikination? Write your responses below.

Adams990 (talk) 03:21, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Eh, that would probably require either some very complex wikicode, or constantly updating admins (which would also be difficult for this particular community). 77topaz (talk) 05:07, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing some ideas! However, there are several issues: first: time will advance an hour every twenty minutes: eventually we will run into the future, which is something I don't not particularly like. I don't want space ships all over the place in say five years.. Also, this would require an enormous administrative effort. Which will make some users full-time registrators instead of something they would really want to be, causing them to perhaps leave the wiki soon.
 * The inventory thing is not possible. We would actually need a technical developer for that and possibly even ask Wikia to enable tools that might not even have been developped for wikias. Also, some users (most users) are not online each day, which is reasonable, as this wiki is meant for fun.
 * Also, in general, our new users are a bit clumsy. As we cannot make this system run automatically, they will probably make it run very badly in a very short time :P
 * So, unfortunately, this is still too complex to be actually implemented on a wiki :) --O u WTB 07:12, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sure this could be done, but It would take months, and would be too complex with the system not runnning automatically. I agree with Oos about time advancing an hour every 20 minutes. We would just have to use Wikia buttons, which would mean every single page would need thousands (infinite for this to last forever) of itself to update inventories. The interactive map would be fine.  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 08:23, October 29, 2013 (UTC) (This would also destroy Lovia - it wouldn't be a wikination any more).


 * Okay, so to combot these problems. I would probably have to strip the Lovian time system, and rely on realtime. So we don't head to the future, and get ourselves stuck in the 2100s. I still think that we can add some roleplay function in there. Still have the jobs and buying food at a restaurant, and getting a block at the apartment. I am trying to suggest for it to be user-friendly for first time users. But if it doesn't work, its okay. Anyway, its a good idea while it lasted but reality will prevent it from happening. Thanks for your advice/criticism guys! Adams990 (talk) 10:50, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * The idea makes sense; however, the wiki code would be very advanced. None of us (to my knowledge), have much more programming skills that can be used online than basics of Java, C++, Visual Basic, Python, or Lua, so we wouldn't be able to start it... --Quarantine Zone (talk) 21:07, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, and even if we had, we would not be able to implement it, because we do not have access to the Wikia servers. --O u WTB 09:38, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * It sounds like an interesting idea, but I really think it'd get way too complex, and I doubt that it'll work out anyway :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 14:59, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * One possibility would be to contact the Wikia Staff, but it might still be too complex to work. Also, admins could edit the MediaWiki files for the wiki. 77topaz (talk) 02:57, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not too sure whether Wikia staff is gonna invest that much amount of time for a single medium-sized wiki though :P Also, mediawiki files largely have to do with lay-out, not with the technical stuff itself. --O u WTB 09:54, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Lovian highways suggestions and questions
So, I have known about the highways in Lovia, but however, most of the articles on these Highways and the Highway Plan is mostly unclear. I know there are exits, but what kind of exits are they? (Are they interchanges or intersections?). So, I decided to start a topic to clarify the highway system while adding a few suggestions along the way.

Here my questions:

1. What kind of exits are they? Are they intersections or interchanges. If they are all interchanges, are some of the highways Super-2s then (like Highway 6)? (Super 2 meaning that they're two-lane roads that are freeways with interchanges but isn't four-lane).

2. What are the lengths of the highways? All of the highway pages I've seen have no lengths, having N/A in all of them. Its confusing because I don't know the length of the highway. Also, the route description pages are very undetailed, only saying which cities the highway passes through. Do you think we can detail them a bit?

3. I'm wondering what kind of traffic lights Lovia uses? Since the country is located off the coast of California, I am wondering if we should mimic the Californian traffic lights or the mast arms that are common around the United States. Then again, it is up to the mayor to do it, but I really want to know, especially since Noble City has over 60k people.

Now, my suggestions:

1. When I lived in the Mid-Atlantic and New England parts of the US, I noticed that on turnpikes, they have service areas. A service area would usually have a gas station, a bathroom, and a few restaurants (mostly fast-food eateries). I'm wondering if we can add some service areas to our longer highways or in gaps on highways where the nearest town might be very far. Particulary Highway 4.

2. Freeways that don't fit the highway standards. I've been wondering if we should classify the airport connector from Highway 1 to the NCIA as the "NCIA Connector". Again, this stems from the T.F. Green Airport connector in Rhode Island, where there would be a few exits before reaching the airport.

Now, for some off-topic stuff. I am going to travel to Brunant and Kemburg to contribute to their countries. I might move out of my apartment and have homes in the capitals of Brunant and Kemburg. I'll visit Noble City sometimes. Anyway, I'll just leave this up for discussion. Adams990 (talk) 01:27, October 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * I like all of these ideas, and believe it or not I was thinking of some ideas about how we could improve Lovia's highways and roads...

1. In England (where I live) we have motorways (M1, M2, M3 etc.) and then A roads (A1, A2, A3 etc.), as well as B roads and then just normal streets which you'd find within towns, villages and urban areas. The motorways link big cities (for example the M4 links London with Heathrow Airport, Bristol and South Wales) and then A roads usually link smaller cities and towns together. I was thinking we could do this in Lovia, keeping the existing highways but also having a network of smaller "mini highways" (or whatever everyone wants to call them) So for example, we already have Highway 4 which travels through much of Sylvania, but doesn't go anywhere near Charleston. We could solve this by having another "mini highway" connecting Clave Rock with Charleston. Not only would this allow easier transportation between these places and Charleston, it would give people in Stephen Headland and Charleston access to the Highway system, cutting journey times between these places and big cities connected to the system. In England, A roads have less lanes of traffic than motorways and sometimes a lower speed limit. This idea wouldn't necessarily be expensive or difficult to implement, as we could adapt existing country roads. Anyway, I'll draw up a full plan on my user page, cause I quite like this idea

2. I really liked the idea about service areas. We should probably build a few on Lovian highways, particularly just outside major cities, and near airports, as this is where there would be most activity on the highways.

Oh and answering your second question, there's a map here with the highways drawn on that might help you Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 07:42, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

I like the service areas too, we should implement them. Also, considering the size of Lovia, I don't think the highway will have interchanges, at least not outside of the Noble City/urban area(s). By not having interchanges, we could also more easily connect the smallest hamlets to the highways. @length: if you want, I can calculate the length, as we've decided the size of Lovia. --O u WTB 10:00, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Length
Not to sure about how miles function so I just took 1 mile = 1609,344m :P
 * Highway 1: 555÷2018×1951×48,75×2=52315,90m (52,3 km/32,5 mile)
 * Highway 2: 470÷2018×1951×48,75×2=44303,56m (44,3 km/27,5 mile)
 * Highway 3: 485÷2018×1951×48,75×2=45717,50m (45,7 km/28,4 mile)
 * Highway 4: 1025÷2018×1951×48,75×2=96614,46m (96,6 km/60,0 mile)
 * Highway 5: 670÷2018×1951×48,75×2=63156,13m (63,2 km/39,2 mile)
 * Highway 6: 375÷2018×1951×48,75×2=35348,58m (35,3 km/22,0 mile)
 * Highway 7: 480÷2018×1951×48,75×2=45246,18m (45,2 km/28,1 mile)

Hope you guys can use this for the infoboxes or whatever you need this for :P --O u WTB 10:37, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like you understand the function of miles perfectly. :P Another interesting fact: I'm back, though it probably wasn't necessary to explicitly state it. --Semyon 14:34, October 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll be updating the lengths of the highway. Thanks! Adams990 (talk) 14:41, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Seven
Thanks to everyone who voted for me in Seven, I appreciate it, and although I haven't been elected as governor...                  IT ISN'T OVER

I will be working closely with the elected governor, Semyon Breyev (congrats Semyon) on enacting the laws I promised into Seven. I have the uttermost confidence that Breyev will be a great governor, and to the citizens of Seven, you don't need to worry.

 CURRENTLY WORKING ON 

Helping Companies Forward - I'll start the year by helping local companies around Seven. Be sure to contact me if you're interested.

 Happy65   Talk CNP   12:32, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

New governors
Have the terms for new governors officially started yet? Because I wanted to set up state council elections in Kings, and wasn't sure if I could do it yet Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 14:00, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course. Go ahead! :P --O u WTB 14:03, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Great :) Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 09:41, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Message
Hey all. I've decided that having been active on Wikination for well over three years, I'm going to begin to wrap up. It's been very fun, but I've realised I don't have the time or inclination to continue indefinitely. There are lots of great users both old and new who can continue to carry the baton. :)

Rather than just disappear suddenly, I think I'll gradually just edit less and less over a period of a few months, until I'm completely inactive. I joined the site in May 2010 and will be gone by May 2014 at the latest. I will not be standing in the 2014 federal elections, and will hand over governorship to Happy early in the year. At the same time, I'll deadminify myself.

I should remain contactable after I've gone, and seeing as I've put a lot of effort into this wiki and many hours of stupid convos, I'm very happy to add anyone who wants on facebook.

I'm wondering if there is anything else I should say, but can't really think of anything. :) --Semyon 23:35, November 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll have to be doing the same thing soon, in a way. Which Is why in the begining of the year I made a similar statement. "I'm stopping my federal involvement, and focusing local" so I don't take up too much space :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:49, November 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * I hope you're back whenever you feel like it. We will gladly miss you Adams990 (talk) 02:19, November 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * It sadifies me to hear this :'( Have a nice time doing whatever you are going to do instead of wikination and make sure to visit us sometimes as well :) We will miss you. 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 09:21, November 3, 2013 (UTC) But I am not yet sure whether I am going to miss your takavíhki dijålekt :P


 * Mmm... Wikination is gonna get some problematic times with you, Marcus, and Kunar being more or less inactive. But yeah, you can always come back :P --O u WTB 09:29, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * When did Kunarian say he was going to be inactive? :o Also, if Semyon goes inactive, we will only have one admin left, it would probably be a good time to appoint a new one (maybe TM, or Kunarian if he doesn't go inactive). 77topaz (talk) 03:29, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Kunarian has a job now :P --O u WTB 08:16, November 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * It'll be sad to see you leave Wikination- but it's good that you're going to remain active for a little while longer :) Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 09:40, November 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's a real shame, I was looking forward to working with you in Seven.  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 11:37, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Happy, you asked me the other day to come on chat, are you on chat now? Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 11:40, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Who do I vote for now when Oos isn't an election? Also, I would like to point out that when Semyon resigns, Happy will become governor of Seven, leaving the Deputy Governor spot open. We will need to reelect a Deputy Governor. There was procedure for this in the Seven state law at one point, but it was removed (I added it for occasions like this, but it's gone now...) The procedure said that the new governor could select anyone who would normally be a valid candidate in gubernatorial elections. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 01:04, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to hear this, Semyon, but I respect and fully understand your decision. The way things are going with me now, I may have to make a similar step eventually. We will see. Really hope Lovia makes it through these difficult times, however. King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 06:06, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Kings State Council Elections
Candidacies will open for the Kings State Council Elections at 7am GMT tomorrow! Any citizen of Kings can run, and elections will be working in a similar fashion to those in other states, although you should check out the Kings State Law for full rules. Good luck if you're planning to run! Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 15:03, November 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Remember candidacies will be open until Monday! It would be great if as many people as possible got involved, as I'd really like to work together with others to improve Kings :) Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 19:30, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Return of the King
Your King has returned from his urgent one-month mission abroad. Though surrounded by the utmost secresy and mystery, His majesty has now once again returned to his beloved people.


 * King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 06:21, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

The King passed out drunk in the jungle. Hahhaa :P --O u WTB 09:47, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps CCPL is more appreciative of the Bible verse in the first image. :P --Semyon 00:09, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed. If I hadn't had a hangover, I'd be sober and disappointed right now :( --O u WTB 09:44, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

The latest Strasland news
You can use this for news artilces in Lovia.

6 nov 2013 Regeringen fordømmer Tagog - Statsminister Peter Lyndby leverede en tale i dag kritiserer Tagogisk ordning for sine grove menneskerettighedskrænkelser mod sine borgere. Statsministeren var især kritisk over for deres forsøg på at snigmyrde demokratiforkæmpere og meddelte, at regeringen vil arbejde sammen med andre nationer til at skabe en officiel embargo / State minister Peter Lyndby delivered a speech today criticizing the Tagogisk regime for its gross human rights violations against its citizens. The minister was especially critical of their attempts to assassinate democracy activists and announced that the government will work with other nations to create an official embargo.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP    ) 01:35, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

We are under siege
Tagog has responded. What will be a peaceful gala meant to raise awareness of Tagog's issues is apparently a major threat to the regime that they are actually planning to place a bomb at the NMA and would possibly employ Barzona Libre to do such acts. HORTON11 : •  22:07, November 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Do not worry sweet friends, the King of Lovia is here and he will do whatever is in his power to prevent these terrorists from winning. I have taken up arms for freedom before, and will not hesitate to do so again. King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 22:12, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Though we should not rashly stoop so low to their level and take up arms. Though if they do attempt anything against the citizens of Lovia, Brunant and other nations, we should be ready. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 22:15, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

This is terrible but now you have the support of Pintona.


 * The government of Pintona, in the name of HM Queen Elizabeth II expresses their concern for the people of Tagog because of the actions of their government to kill their own citizens who want democracy and rights. Pintona will work with other wikinations to denounce Tagog and take action.


 * Dr. Gilbert Warren, Prime Minister.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP    )  00:48, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Marcel Cebara, a Lovian citizen has been threated with death by the terrorist regime in power in Tagog. Cebara made some comments against the regime's human rights record and plans to introduce state torture and he was met with "You wanna end up dead just like Ndengu? You're own your way to the coffin friend". We cannot let this go unnoticed. HORTON11 : •  20:40, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Polynesia wiki
Hey guys, I was wondering if I could have some assistance in building up rightist.wikia.com. The wikination has very few articles, but has the essential forums, constitution, and a short article about the nation. As the title says, it is a right wing nation, but that doesn't mean you can't help if you are from the left. I'm sure Lovia would like some help with tagog, but Polynesia can't help if it doesn't exist. Thanks. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:39, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Its too lagre compared to all of the other wikinations and polynesia is already a name of a group of small islands.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP    )  04:06, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The wiki is the islands of Polynesia -_-...and Melanesia and Micronesia along with other added fictional islands. I can shrink the population, to match the other wikinations, however, it should be taken into account that it isn't one unified nation either. --Quarantine Zone (talk) 00:08, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

So it includes real nations as well? I believe that is against the principles of the IWO wikis though :P --O u WTB 07:44, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

It definitely is. Let me tell you that I dislike stealing real-world landmasses to make your own fictional country there :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 10:39, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

So, I'll have to change it to make it only the fictional added islands...--Quarantine Zone (talk) 20:41, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Well the area of those is extremely large, even for a wikination, and the population figure you have is still rather high for the south Pacific. HORTON11 : •  20:53, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I changed it now. The population is now 2,120,134, and the area 1,253,967mi² so the density is 1.69/mi². --Quarantine Zone (talk) 22:14, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Made a new wiki that isn't exactly a Wikination. Need editors
Usually, I don't like to promote my new Wiki, but I decided to promote it on this wiki, since I've been a member of the wiki for the last six months and would like some editors.

I have basically started a fictional version of the United States of America, with different leaders, same cities, almost parallel history but people can be elected or live in the fictional United States of America. We're currently in 1776 right now. Anyway want to contribute to this wiki? It's at http://fictionalusa.wikia.com Adams990 (talk) 21:21, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Krasnov
I'd like to announce Dave Leskromento has renamed himself to Alexei Krasnov!  Happy65   Talk CNP   17:06, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Kings State Council Elections
Voting in the Kings State Council Elections has begun! Citizens of Kings can vote with Major, Minor and Support Votes in the district in which they live, and vote with Minor and Support Votes in districts they do not live in. Citizens of Lovia can place one Support Vote in a rural area! Happy voting Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 18:05, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * It would help if I put up a link: Forum:Kings State Council Elections Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 18:06, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Moving
Looks like I'll be moving again in the new year. HORTON11 : •  22:29, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * :o To where? :o --O u WTB 11:07, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Madrid, surprisingly. My dad will work with some Spanish firm doing consulting for the EU for a project they are doing in Central America. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:58, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * You gonna learn Spanish too now? :P --O u WTB 15:03, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think he already habla español though :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 15:04, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Si lo hablo, per no con el accento de España. But it is going to be hard to adjust to life there. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:12, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Like the Burenians you'd probably not meet there would say: Tu dialecto es tacavico :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 09:43, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * It isn't just that. My little brothers don't really speak Spanish. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:31, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Madrid? That sounds really good! Anyway, apparently it's easier to learn a language when you're young, so your brothers will be fine with the Spanish Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 15:34, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Madrid will be really nice (except for the fact we're all Barca fans). And for my littlest brother he could become fluent going to daycare and preschool. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:24, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Kings Court House
As you probably know, I've been arranging elections for the Kings State Council. All has gone well, and now I just need to find somewhere for the council to meet. I had the idea of renaming the Kings Court House to the Kings State Capitol, and having the council meet there, as the building isn't used much ever since State Courts were abolished. here would be no major structural changes to the building, just the main court room would be converted into a state council chamber and other rooms would be converted into offices for senior members of the state government. I just felt I should announce my plans here, and get the approval of a member of government, as the building is protected by the National Monument Service. So, can I have everyone's thoughts please Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 16:45, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * --O u WTB 16:56, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oos, as you are the Prime Minister and Minister of Culture, then I think that your approval is probably enough :) I'll go ahead with the project! Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 18:49, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Very well :) --O u WTB 07:14, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Soon...
I may return. Not in full glory as before but in partial glory and with a plethora of new knowledge on how governments work, especially one on the scale of Lovia as I have been closely involved in the work of the Gloucestershire County Council. I've noticed that currently Lovia has lost a few people but is still alive and well.

I'd like to return with a suggestion on renovating our political system so that it works a little more predictably and easily, allowing people to engage in it more fluidly and without having to be here every two seconds. I'd also like to continue perusing my other policies as per the usual. An update on current events would be appreciated. :) Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 13:27, November 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome back! Not too much has happened in Lovia, except state council elections in Clymene and Kings. There has been quite a big situation in Tagog, and Happy and I have both set up our own wikinations. Oh, and what's your suggestion? Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 13:56, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Reminds me to work on my own wikination. :L My suggestion is comprehensive so I'll write it up in an hour or two when I have the spare time to thing and consider how to write it fully. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 14:22, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Very good :) --O u WTB 15:56, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Okay here are my suggestions:
 * 1) We set the weekends as the days where governments will perform legislative duties
 * 2) We have a clear list of bills for consideration
 * 3) *additionally we limit the amount of things to be considered so that we don't get swamped and can focus
 * 4) Bills can be proposed at any time during the week but will only be added to the list of bills for consideration, provided there is enough room, otherwise it is dismissed until room is made (unlikely to happen as we'll have a reasonable limit of say 5 bills for consideration)
 * 5) We have a vote on each motion each weekend to decide whether to move it to a vote, continue amending it or to dismiss it

Under the new system a bill would move through the legislative system like so:
 * Bill proposed
 * A) There's enough room on the list of bills for consideration: Bill is added to the list of bills for consideration
 * Bill is considered on the weekend
 * A) The vote is to move the bill to a vote: On a scheduled weekend no longer than # weeks in the future, a vote occurs
 * Bill is voted upon
 * A) The vote is successful: Bill becomes part of law
 * B) The vote is unsuccessful: Bill is dismissed and removed from the list of bills for consideration and may not be added again for # months
 * B) The vote is to amend the bill: Bill remains on the list of bills for consideration
 * C) The vote is to dismiss the bill: Bill is removed from the list of bills for consideration and may not be added again for # months
 * B) There's not enough room on the list of bills for consideration: Bill is dismissed but may be proposed as soon as a space is available

I think this system would make legislating much more straight forwards and would also make it easier to know when something is finished or started or under amendment and such. It would also make it easier for people to schedule when they need to be where and would give a clearer start and end for a bill.

Currently I'm only proposing this system for congress. But I hope you like it thus far. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 17:40, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Traspes (talk) 03:25, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

I didn't know about this site before, it's really good. I started the Traspes nation site but it's only in the beginning. Traspes (talk) 03:32, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Can reactions to a bill still be made during weekdays? --O u WTB 08:05, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not, just official business such as amendments and votes would have to be carried out on weekends. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 19:14, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's good :) --O u WTB 19:35, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'd be okay with trying this, but the current system has been doing fine for a long time. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:25, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * True, but just because something is okay doesn't mean there's no harm in trying to improve it. Complacency is the enemy of progress. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 07:02, November 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * And besides, we can always return to the old system if this doesn't work out :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 12:42, November 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Haven't you guys heard of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"? But at the same time change can be good. My only comment I have on this that 1. We should be able to vote and comment on bills during the week, and 2. I'm not sure we need a limit to the number of bills, as we don't get too many at one time. We could instead be doing something to address the massive bills we sometimes have.  HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:18, November 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4kant is right and on your comments: 1. sure but the vote would end at midnight on a Sunday. 2. Well then the system would work, as it would stop a mass of proposals being made but admittedly would be more of a precaution than something that would be constantly used. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 18:23, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

IWO factsheet
Perhaps we should make some sort of comparative IWO/wikination table for data such as HDI, GDP, military, population and other indexes to compare wikinations in regards to wealth, development etc. HORTON11 :  •  14:59, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good :) --O u WTB 15:10, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we could do a sort of chart like youre for the languages, but we add indicators and other data.  HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:14, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, that was what I had in mind with your idea :) --O u WTB 15:22, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Two things, what indicators should we add to it, and where should we add it? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:30, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * We can add it here on Lovia. We would need at least population, GDP (per head/total), HDI (including factors described here). How would we compare military? By size or by expenses? --O u WTB 16:50, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Size, even size as percentage of population. Others would be general population, education, life expectancy, income inequality? (GINI). Should we start a page fore this then?  HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:55, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea :) 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 16:57, November 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * GDP (per capita)
 * population
 * Literacy rate
 * Military size (and percentage)
 * life expectancy
 * Education (enrolment)
 * income inequality

Started it here. HORTON11 : •  17:13, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay :) But it will take some time for me to calculate these, so please be patient :P --O u WTB 17:39, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I know, it will have to be done for all countries. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:42, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Colonisation of Lovia
We need clarification I do think on when certain areas were settled. Of course, the first settlement was Noble City, established 1875. However what comes next? The map gives a rough idea of how colonisation of the isles should be adapted to our history. Settlement in this example means permanent settlements not just single houses, at least a small hamlet.

Noble city is in yellow, being settled in 1875. The orange yellow are areas being settled in 1876-80. The orange are areas being settled in 1881-1885. The red are areas being settled in 1886-1890. The dark red are areas being settled in 1891+.

If you'd like to contribute to this keep in mind that several sovereign states had formed over time and a few other things:

By 1887 the areas around Noble City and Newhaven are controlled directly by the Kingdom of Lovia, known more commonly as The Pale due to its clear lack of control over all of Lovia. The Pale existed from the moment Noble City was settled.

And from its settling East Sylvania was comprised of a group of Dutch settlements that worked together although were not technically their own states.

Also keep in mind that Novosevensk operates as its own state.

Clymene is interesting as it has an early economic boom from gold. It forms the Northern Territory competing with Novosevensk. Also joining the Northern Territory at one point is northern Kings.

Additionally there's Corporate Collinia to consider, who masterminded the colonisation of Oceana and central Sylvania.

The Headland is colonised late.

I assume that colonisation would work largely by the sovereign states establishing a first port (Noble City, Hurbanova (or Calava), Newhaven, Sofasi, Novosevensk) and then using that to ferry colonists around the islands. Independent settlers might aim to settle away from major settlements.

Help is as always appreciated. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 13:15, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking good, although you should keep in mind that the City Archipelago used to be inhabited: List of former hamlets in Oceana (Londine). --O u WTB 14:06, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... the first hamlets in the West Kings/Abby Highlands area were seemingly founded in the early 1890s - see Westmark (and Centreville etc.) 77topaz (talk) 21:08, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Okay new map, this time it represents when people started using certain areas of land, it is purely to be used as a base to work from not an actual rule. It'll just detail the earliest time period that area should really have settlements in it. This is a drive by the way to particularly get all the settlements with a certain or rough foundation date. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 15:28, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hurb should be in light orange. Other than that, it looks good :) --O u WTB 07:31, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * It certainly does :) 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 16:46, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Updated. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 20:49, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Regarding the question from the talk page, would it be reasonable for Hierland to have been founded in 1878, Kustwijk in 1882 and Steenveld in 1901? 77topaz (talk) 05:20, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * ^Kunarian, did you see this? A response would be useful for the articles. :P 77topaz (talk) 22:45, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Let us pay our respects
My brothers and sisters, dear sweet people of Lovia, a man of great standing has lost his final battle with death. Nelson Mandela, the man who changed and and inspired a nation, passed on to the next life. Let us remember the things he stood for. Follow in his example. To stand for our principles, the very principles on which this great nation was built. Lovia was founded by white men, by a woman, a black man. They spoke different languages and came from different nations. Their origins as humble as their ambitions noble.

Think of what our founding fathers stood for, Lovians. And never forget that the rights which we now so often take for granted, are anything but a given. That for some, these rights have been earned through trial and error. That for some, these rights were only won after a long and hard fight. Facing tremendous odds.

You never had to break rocks in the blistering sun till your fingers bled. You never had to sleep in a cell so small you could hardly turn around in your sleep. Never woke up for a long time without your loved ones nearby. Without a friendly word, a good book, a proper meal. Mandela did not have these privileges my friends. The attempted to break him but he never bowed. He respected his enemy. Learned their language. Learned their ideas and what caused them to think the way they did. He got to know them, found a common ground. They tried to make him small, insignificant. But in his dark cell he grew to be a legend. And once free, he united a nation and prevented great bloodshed.

His hands were not clean. In his past he has taken some questionable steps. But he always had an open mind, he always continued to develop himself as a person. Gained new perspectives. Sharpened his mind when others tried to dull it. And in the end my dear Lovians, he came out victorious. He was no Saint. Put no one on a pedestal. Great men, my friends, are modest. Study his life. And learn from it. As Mr. Mandela said... be that change you want to see.


 * King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 23:13, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

"Be the change you want to see in the world" is a quote from Gandhi, not Nelson Mandela. :P 77topaz (talk) 23:29, December 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * I do believe it is something that the good man did say however. Nelson may not have been the original source but that doesn't lessen the meaning. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 10:00, December 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mr. Mandela greatly admired Gandhi and his peaceful resistance against British oppression, although when it comes to peace Nelson only truly started following that peaceful approach once in prison. Armed struggle got him behind bars, reason and empathy got him out. Had he known the things Gandhi said about black people however, he would have looked for a different idol as Mahatma was virulently racist in some of his beliefs as evidenced by his writings during his time in South-Africa as a lawyer. Knowledge is power my friends. Thank you for being good, critical readers! King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 11:40, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

A brief goodbye
As many of you have probably noticed, I have been somewhat inactive lately, and with the state councils, I'm not a huge fan of the new government. (I supported devolution of power, not more added power to states...) So, I will be fading out from here, and no longer participating in any elections. So goodbye to all (well, except Time, I see him IRL...) --Quarantine Zone (talk) 02:51, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not a big fan of them either :'( Goodbye QZ, hope you visit us occasionally! --Semyon 16:31, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry to see you go! Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:44, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * :( Have fun with whatever you gonna do now! --O u WTB 10:21, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Notice
I will be without Internet access from roughly the 10th to 15th December and will be unable to respond to messages etc. during this period. 77topaz (talk) 19:04, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

I return! 77topaz (talk) 02:28, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! :) --O u WTB 08:22, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Federal elections
If all goes as it has in the past, candidacies for federal elections will be starting in about two and a half weeks! It's a shame no one has really started talking about the elections yet, as I think most of us on this wiki like a bit of debate/political discussion. So, I'm gonna start a bit of discussion about the elections now! What are your predictions for the elections? What do you think the next congress should focus on? Are you planning to run? It'd be good if we got some pre-election fever going soon! :) Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 17:33, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ow, hadn't even noticed that :P My prediction is a huge landslide, as a lot of people have gone rather inactive and some new guys have shown up/become more important :P --O u WTB 18:30, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice to see a landslide predicted on Friday the 13th :o 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 18:50, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

I predict that either CCPL or CNP will win the most seats closely followed by UL and the GP 5.66.76.166 19:07, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Let this be yet another CCPL victory! :P --O u WTB 10:38, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it's time for the CNP to win :P 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 12:31, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * If we can, I'll be delighted but to win would mean a campaign so hard fought, that even I don't know where we'd end up, it could even effect us negatively to try and oust CCPL. I think we should aim to have the second most Ministerial positions or better, that would be a victory that we can almost certainly achieve. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 22:23, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Well if we trust the Lovian Times predictions from a while a go (which are out of date), we should end up with a CCPL victory leading to another term for Oos as Prem. Second place will be between UL and CNP. SLP and GP will fight it out for third but I would think GP would edge ahead in that one. I think that the only kind of majority governments that could form would be coalitions between CCPL and either UL or CNP, however I think it'll be a grand coalition again with CCPL, UL and CNP taking key positions once more. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 22:19, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, they should have started a few days ago: "The normal dates of elections, excluding the possibility of a dissolution of Congress, are set at December 10th to 31st for nominations, and from January 1st to 21st for voting." (Constitution, Article 8) —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:14, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Then we better get this started :P --O u WTB 12:26, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

LoviaNow polling: 19th December
Introducing the first in the series of several fortnightly pre-election polls that will be conducted by LoviaNow, Kaboom TV's flagship news programme. Polls will take place every other Thursday (no particular reason for that, its just that today is Thursday) between now and January 21st (the day that the polls close in the federal elections).

Vote away!

Which party will you be giving your major vote to at the upcoming Federal election? Conservative Christian Party of Lovia Conservative Nationalist Party United Left Green Party Other (State below if you feel like it!) Not sure

Which party will you be giving your minor vote to at the upcoming Federal election? Conservative Christian Party of Lovia Conservative Nationalist Party United Left Green Party Other (State below if you feel like it!) Not sure

Which party will you be giving your support vote to at the upcoming Federal election? Conservative Christian Party of Lovia Conservative Nationalist Party United Left Green Party Other (State below if you feel like it!) Not sure

Which of these issues should be the next congress' priority? Economy Education Health Culture Transport Social issues Environment Justice Devolution Other (State below if you feel like it!) Not sure

Which of these main party leaders should be Lovia's next PM? Oos Wes Ilava Lukas Hoffmann Justin Abrahams Nicholas Sheraldin Other (State below if you feel like it!) Not sure

Brought to you by Kaboom TV, bringing you news from the Federal elections as it happens

SLP is no longer a major party in federal elections? :O —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:36, December 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, it's because no SLP people have announced their candidacy in the election so far. If you run in the election, the SLP will be on the next poll Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 06:21, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

"Fortnightly polls" that will take place "every Thursday"? That doesn't seem to match. :P 77topaz (talk) 23:25, December 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * How not? It just means the polls will take place every other Thursday Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 06:21, December 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Saying "every Thursday" implies it is weekly, not fortnightly, though. :P 77topaz (talk) 06:35, December 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, it was a typing error. I've changed it now Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 06:40, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

I encourage CNP supporters to vote for Oos for PM. Hoffmann doesn't care about being PM, he cares about bringing the issues of those he represents forwards. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 06:44, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

I encourage conservatives who don't know who to vote for to vote CNP. I don't agree with them on 75% of the issue but ehh, results are results. Marcus/Michael Villanova 01:49, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * So, basically, with that, you're endorsing CNP over CCPL? 77topaz (talk) 03:59, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Very disappointing :( I consider United Left an enemy from now on! :P --O u WTB 09:20, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * He didn't actually confirm that was actually what he meant. :P 77topaz (talk) 09:58, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Lovian Times Polling 21-22 December
Elections
 * 21-22 December 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a major vote to?
 * 3 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 1 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 3 - United Left
 * 0 - Social Liberal Party
 * 2 - Green Party
 * 0 - Positive Lovia
 * 0 - Other


 * 21-22 December 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a minor vote to?
 * 1 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 3 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 2 - United Left
 * 0 - Social Liberal Party
 * 3 - Green Party
 * 0 - Positive Lovia
 * 0 - Other


 * 21-22 December 2013 - If a Federal Election happened tomorrow who would you give a support vote to?
 * 2 - Conservative Christian Party of Lovia
 * 1 - Conservative Nationalist Party
 * 2 - United Left
 * 2 - Social Liberal Party
 * 2 - Green Party
 * 0 - Positive Lovia
 * 0 - Other

Approval
 * 21-22 December 2013 - Do you approve or disapprove of the Government's record to date?
 * 3 - Approve
 * 3 - Disapprove
 * 1 - Don't Know

Flavour Polling
 * 21-22 December 2013 - Do you think that a majority government (one party), majority coalition (as many parties as needed for a majority) or grand coalition (as many parties as possible) would be better as a government for Lovia?
 * 1 - Majority Government
 * 4 - Majority Coalition
 * 4 - Grand Coalition
 * 0 - Don't Know

Comments
GO GO GO! LOVIAN TIMES POLLING IS BACK! :D Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 10:53, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think a grand coalition might actually be best.... Yes, we all have our differences in opinion, but I think that the wiki really works best when as many people as possible can be involved in the actions of the government Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 10:56, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well the CNP has always argued for an inclusive government. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 11:20, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... how would it even be possible to vote Major, Minor and Support all for the CNP? They have only two candidates standing. (The votes must have been selected by one person since only the UL and GP ones were there before.) 77topaz (talk) 11:24, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I simply do that vote before I adjust to what I might actually vote. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 11:30, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

A Lovian Christmas
As Christmas & New Year are coming very soon, and there's been quite a lot of activity in Lovia lately, I was thinking.... how would Christmas and New Year be celebrated in Lovia? I think it would probably be quite similar to Christmas in the UK and US, but with lots of Dutch and other European influences. So, how do you guys think Christmas would be celebrated in Lovia? I think we could make a page about how Christmas (and indeed other occasions) are celebrated in Lovia Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 11:54, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, I believe it would be very American considering our history, location, and commercialisation :P --O u WTB 12:09, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably. Though maybe rural areas would follow some more traditional traditions. Speaking of, I recently added a little blurb on Brunant's Christmas traditions here. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:37, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think it would be done in many different styles depending on where you went but Oos is right that it would be very commercialised. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 12:22, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hey everbody! What's new. I see that you are doing elections, so count me to vote for... socialists and leftits!MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP    )  15:01, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

IDK but I know a bunch of Lovians would be celebrating Hitchmas :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:21, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Wikibreak
Just wanted to say I won't be active from tomorrow until January 2. I'm going to visit relatives and I won't have any internet access. See you all in the New Year for the elections! Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 10:19, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Have fun :) --O u WTB 11:53, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Oos! I've arrived now, and it turns out I will have internet! Which means I'll get to do some last minute campaigning :D Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 19:40, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Hey everyone, just popping in to say hello. Hope you all had a great Christmas. :) In case any of you are interested, I won't be standing in the upcoming elections. Telling you that isn't really the purpose of this post though, I'm just trying to spin it out beyond a sentence. So hello, again. :P --Semyon 18:11, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Semyon, and happy new year! It's great to see you still popping over to the sight, hope you'll still come and visit next year :) Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 19:11, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hahha, hey Semyon :P --O u WTB 20:18, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hello everybody, I am back, I will vote and edit more in Lovia! Granero (talk) 03:06, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back! :) 4kant,6FRÅGOR??? 06:45, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Jhon Lewis: death
Jhon Lewis was shot down, probably by a political counterpart, in the streets of Noble City, the Lovian capital, when he was walking around for his political campaign because he participated in the 2014 Federal Elections. Wabba The I (talk) 12:26, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * :o And now? --O u WTB 14:17, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

My thoughts are with Mr Lewis' family at this tragic time, it was honour to work with him to develop Kings Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 16:06, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nooooooo. :'( What will happen to his votes now? And his family? --Semyon 16:30, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Surely his votes should still stand, as he voted before he was killed... and it's very sad about the family too. And, who's going to be Deputy Gov of Kings now? Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 16:42, January 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think your Kings State Council should take someone who has enough capacity and accomplishement for this task. Someone with self-confidence, authority and potent. I did not vote before my death because I was still thinking about this. Wabba The I (talk) 19:02, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, Vivaporius was the third candidate in the elections, so he'd be a possibility. Or, we could hold some sort of by-election if necessary. 77topaz (talk) 20:07, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * who shot him? Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:54, January 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Don't know, being death, having no memory. Wabba The I (talk) 18:13, January 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * One question: Can I vote? Wabba The I (talk) 19:05, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * You'll need a new citizen. :P 77topaz (talk) 01:25, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * He said he isn't going to make one :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 07:15, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Mmm.. As we do not have any real regulations on this, Wabba is entitled to vote/run in elections, as his citizen rights have not been removed. --O u WTB 11:25, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but he can't exactly run as Jhon Lewis (which he currently is), can he? He'd need a still-alive character. :P 77topaz (talk) 21:54, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think Pierlot McCrooke did it. King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 13:26, January 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, OWTB, so I can vote today? And Pierlot isn't a murderer. Wabba The I (talk) 18:32, January 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes. @Tåpas: Can always still be altered later on. --O u WTB 12:12, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Help
Can you guys help me with liking this page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/HOP-HOP-Kalfskop/1457178737838178 on Facebook. Not only liking, but please invite your friend to like it. It is Dutch but it is a scouts game and the group with most likes on their page wins. PLEASE HELP ME Wabba The I (talk) 15:06, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * GOOD LUCK! Win... for Lovia... Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 21:10, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure what I just liked on facebook though... :P Anyway, I've liked so much shitty crap that one page more or less doesn't really matter :P --O u WTB 06:11, January 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * 'Shitty crap' seems a little tautological. Maybe you should learn to express yourself better, then people would be more likely to accept you as head admine. :P --Semyon 19:00, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Misspelt "head-admin", clearly not head-admin :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 18:41, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Mayhaps you should just keep yer mouth shut :o --O u WTB 09:52, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure my mouth wás shut when I wrote that though :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 14:04, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I meant Semyon and not you though :o --O u WTB 14:12, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Mayhaps you should've made that clear though :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 06:33, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh my! King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 14:14, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

The Greatest Brunanter
Sure, this my be about Brunanter figures, but if any of you are interested feel free to vote for the people you think are Great Brunanters. The top two in each of the five categories will make it to the final round. HORTON11 : •  18:33, January 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Voted. King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 14:43, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I could tell. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:08, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Everyone, the top ten candidates have been selected (see them here, and you get three votes for three candidates (on the talk page), so be sure to vote. HORTON11 :  •  15:08, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Royal announcement
It is much to my considerable enjoyment that I announce, today, the birth of a new member of our most beloved Royal Family! My lovely wife, Queen Louise of Lovia, just gave birth to young prince Arthur. It is our desire to remain loyal to our family's tradition, in naming this young prince after our beloved former King, the late Arthur III, as well as several of his predecessors. We hope that in naming him after a great man, his own life will be just as full of ambition and as eventful and worthwhile. Of this we have no doubt.

The young prince was born yesterday evening, weighing nine pounds and one ounce. His second names are Augustus, after the first Roman Emperor in whom I have always recognized any of my own character traits. His second name is Bernhard, after the late Dutch prince Bernhard von Lippe-Biesterfeld, a man I have always greatly admired for his bravery in the field of battle, his sense of his fashion and his unmatched passion, as well as his great love for animals and the environment. The young prince's full name, therefore, is Arthur Augustus Bernhard Noble. Let it be known! And let us rejoice his birth. For truly, his ancestors are glorious and his future destined for greatness.

Dear sweet wonderful Lovians, the entire week will be a week of celebrations! And every first two beers you drink in my son's honour will be on me!


 * King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 14:39, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * --O u WTB 15:01, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Glory to Lovia, long live the King! Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 00:35, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * , or Flag of Sweden.png Svârjë!, as the Burenians say :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 17:03, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Back
Everyone, I'm back now and we have internet, but I might not be on too often these next few days. HORTON11 : •  15:34, January 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome back Horton! Unfortunately I haven't been active much lately as I've been quite busy, but hopefully I'll be around more now Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 16:31, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Kings Deputy Governor
As Governor of Kings, I've been wondering what I should do about the state's Deputy Governor, as tragically Jhon Lewis was recently shot and killed in Noble City.

As I'm not sure that there is any official law on what to do in this situation, I'll do this...

Wabba, if you're going to make a new character then I'll be more than happy to give them the title of Deputy, we could just say that they were nominated by the state council.

If not, I'll probably have one of my State Council members take the job, or we could even have a by-election. Thoughts anyone? Frijoles333 Marcel Cebara TALK 17:20, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Royal Family Tree
If anyone is interested, I have started an extended royal family tree here (a site called Geni) which maps the link between all the wikinational royal families. If anyone wants to participate or is interested in just looking I'd need your email to invite you. HORTON11 : •  14:47, February 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, and iy anone's interested, here's the path linking King Sebastian to Queen Helene. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:01, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

Ukraine
So people's views... The way I see it, the EU backed a revolution (that has quite a few extremists involved), there are massive amounts of russians there and the country is turning into an anarchy. Putin may be land grabbing but is it really wrong? he's aiming to restore order to south-eastern Ukraine which is at odds with the revolutionary government. Would division between Russia and Ukraine be wrong if it would save civil war? I think so, but I want to hear your views. Hoffmann Kunarian TALK 19:08, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, why don't you come to Brunant chat?  Happy65   Talk CNP   19:14, March 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * The EU staunchly backed pro-westerners, though those were the pro-democracy side. Putin may be land grabbing but is it really wrong? Of course it's wrong, don't you see that he's simply trying to re-establish and assert the old Soviet might in Europe and around the world. Sending troops into another country in violation of their sovereignty is not the right thing to do. Like the US, EU and others have said, this should be mediated in a peaceful manner, perhaps before the UN and int'l courts. Sending troops into Crimea and backing a few pro-Russian radicals is further fueling the crisis and provoking more violence. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:17, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course the EU backed pro-westerners and they were not pro-democracy, if they were they would not have risen up against a democratically elected leader over a decision they elected him to make. What has happened is that people have become violent and the EU has supported violence, because it is in their private interest. However it only destabilises them because they've mismanaged it.


 * Completely, it is wrong to try and recreate an empire. However Europe cannot so easily criticise, nor can the UK or US especially considering the interference and violation of other nations sovereignty that has happened over the years. The west has been pushing east and now the east pushes west. Also Horton, I think you'll find, that of all parts of Ukraine, Crimea is almost certainly in favour of going to Russias side, much to Ukraine's dismay.


 * On the suggestion of use of UN and international courts, do you really think they'd side with him? no. Russia will do what is in its interest and CAN, because the west has lost its influence in the world outside military force. Putin has been playing a clever diplomatic game for at least a decade now and we've given him the ammunition to shoot with. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 19:27, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Democracy is about the people being able to rise up against their government when they make decisions that go against what they support. And while the EU may support some violent protesters (which the majority are not), Russia is not guilt-free given they have riled up anti-Ukrainian government support and backed some violent protesters and militias in Crimea. I know of course Crimea is pro-Russian, but the area has been Ukrainian for some time and Russia taking it by force is not the solution to the issue. Russia becoming militarily involved has caused serious concern among the EU, US and other countries and they are simply digging a deeper hole and feeding the violence. Of course we cannot overlook all the times the US has interefered in countless nations' domestic affairs, sovereignty, government, but the solution is not to allow Russia the right to do so as well, instead to prevent nations from doing so again. Sadly Russia would never agree to that (nor would the US in other cases). HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:36, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Force is not democratic. Democracy is not about the people being able to rise up. Democracy is about protest, not violence and about changing government at elections, not overthrowing it when you disagree we are not in the medieval ages here.


 * On Russia, no they are not guilt free however the EU strategy of telling the Russians to stay out doesn't work. Russia and the EU have stepped this up one day at a time, like playing tennis but with every return the stakes get higher. Had the EU stopped earlier, they might have been able to handle it peacefully but the lines have been crossed and now Russia has had enough of playing by the EU's rules.


 * There is no backing down now, not realistically at least. And it is unfortunate to say so. If Putin does, then he will look weak and he cannot look weak, the Russian political system is like a pack of wolves not to mention it will look like conceding a victory to the EU, which the Russian people do not want. If the EU backs down then they look weak and they already have a million issues and this would only add to it. The end can now only be one of turmoil, thanks to a lack of diplomacy from both sides.


 * Also how can we prevent nations from interfering in other nations? Until the west is respected again, we shall never be able to stop someone with words. And getting that respect will take time. The west has dug its own hole and now has to sit in it. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 19:50, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * The government itself voted to impeach the president, return to a more democratic constitution and declare elections, all via democratic means. And if you read the news, it was only a minority of protesters who were violent. And do not forget that these people were being sniped at by Yanukovich's police and viciously attacked for wanting change, so you really think they'd be able to fully remain peaceful? Had Russia also stopped the escalations earlier, they might have been able to handle it peacefully, but sadly Putin can't do peaceful. His ambitions for Russia simply cannot be achieved via democratic means and the current international system HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:59, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we can both agree that this whole thing has been botched from the beginning when both sides stepped up the violence. Also the blame for a lack of a peaceful solution does not lie solely at Putins door. Also the international system is superficial, in truth many nations ignore so called "international law", and how can international law be enforced without an international government? it can't and it never should. International law is a modern term for "a lot of treaties and agreements and aims we'd love to keep to", they are good targets for modern nations but rarely realistic when push comes to shove. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt.png Kunarian TALK 21:15, March 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Could really careless about the 'ethics' of the entire situation. As a Democrat and more importantly an American, I find it extremely painful to see our President just sit by and watch the Russians march into the Ukraine when just half a year ago when we were about to rol; into Syria and the Russians pressured us not too. This will have serious political implications, you'll see the Democratic Party turn hawkish in 2016, Southern Democrats will run on the issue of supporting pro-jingo stances and whatever nominee that runs on being the toughest on Russia will win. Anyway, Obama needs to do some damage control for his legacy because this shouldn't of ever happened. -Sunkist- (talk) 19:19, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * (I'm not trying to sound dumb but...) there is no good side in this battle. The protestors are pretty terrible, and it only gets worse when some (most?) of them are far-right and a small minority are neo-nazis. Russia is trying to continue a sphere of influence post-cold war and see that the "breadbasket" is drifting away and are deeply scared. Their intervention is really not needed. Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:09, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not really convinced by any of the arguments presented thus far. The protesters are perfectly justified in demonstrating against an unpopular decision by their leader, regardless of whether he was democratically elected. The violence is deplorable but by all accounts it was largely the fault of Yanukovych. The far-right views of some of the protesters is also a shame but it is a nationalist uprising, so that's hardly surprising.

The only way we will see the real views of Ukrainians on the future of their country is when elections are held; protests are always going to be dominated by the politically motivated and those with more extreme views than the average. If the Crimeans want independence, that's rather sad, but I suppose that the principle of self-determination would have to be invoked. Putin, though, clearly isn't interested in self-determination; his intervention is intended only to boost Russia's prestige and ultimately rebuild the Soviet Empire, so he's completely unjustified in his intervention. Unfortunately, it's not clear what anyone can do about it, since no-one wants to go to war with Russia over a bit of land in the Black Sea. Clearly, whatever their faults, the pro-Europeans are more in the right than Putin and Yanukovych.

Despite what some people have said, I don't see that the EU have committed themselves at all. As far as I know, their support has gone only as far as calling for new elections and criticising Yanukovych's repression of protests. It is not (yet) a fully integrated state so military intervention is out of the question. What reason would there be for a Cypriot or a Swede to support a war for the sake of EU integration when it's already such a divisive issue? --Semyon 09:29, March 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Initially I had some sympathy for the protesters, but things turned violent quickly. Dozens of police officers were shot and killed by this "peaceful crowd", a pro-government journalist was dragged from his car and beaten to death in the street. For EU officials and the West to back the Maidan protesters without any sort of criticism is a horrible misjudgement in my opinion, and clearly shows a double standard.


 * The democratically elected president was driven out, his palace overtaken by rebel forces. I don't mind his departure an awful lot as he was a questionable figure at most, a semi-dictator at worst. Thing is... as soon as he was out, the new government announced restrictive law against Russia. Russian would for example be outlawed as one of the country's official languages, a very controversial move and definetely undemocratic given that half the nation, especially the Eastern part, is inhabited by ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking.


 * After the violent coup and the following provocations, who where in my opinion completely uncalled for, the East rose up in protest and Russia went out to secure it's interests in Crimea, which is historical Russian land and was only given up recently in the Cold War by a Soviet leader. Another controversial leader was released from prison during the coup, on a side note, Yulia Timoshenko. A corrupt former leader of the country who is herself of no less questionable reputation then the ousted president Yanukovich.


 * Who do I stand with? The people of Ukraine. The people of Ukraine, who are by and large a devided people. Democracy has nothing to do with kicking out a president, violent rebellions, murder and police violence. Democracy is about letting the people say their piece. And if this would happen it is my firm believe there would be a clear devide between Eastern and Western Ukraine. One side would join the West, another would move closer to the East. Anything short of this, is not a truly democratic solution but rather a tug of war over the heads of the people of Ukraine for geopolitical gains of Russia and the EU.


 * That would be the king's perspective on the crisis. King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 21:58, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Im back
Hey evbeyone, I'm back!MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP    )  01:01, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome back :P --O u WTB 09:19, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Välkommen tillbaka :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 09:56, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Tak.MMunson-talk- SP 01:13, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Let's fill another two archives :P
Perhaps it's time to archive this page again :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 09:56, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah... :P --O u WTB 18:28, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Although we might want to wait until we can fill three archives :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 14:22, March 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's about time to do so. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:40, March 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Please wait until the "your favourite wikination" poll has at least 11 voters.  Happy65   Talk CNP  LogoCNP.png 07:24, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * They wouldn't archive the newest portion of the page anyway. 77topaz (talk) 07:31, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Somehow it seems this section has been ignored completely :o --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 13:39, April 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well maybe an admin should archive the page then. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:47, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps the admins are waiting until this page has 100 sections or so :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 05:34, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

Poll
What is your favourite active wikination? Kemburg Lovia Brunant Libertas Traspes Tagog Maores Prasia You misspelt "Mäöres" :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 12:27, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

I had no idea Kemburg existed. :o And what about Insel Islands? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 10:51, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Not too active at the moment, I'm afraid. So please take up Swedish again and contribute so that it becomes active again :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 13:49, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Ahhh Sorry :(
Hey I'm so very sorry I've been EXTREMELY inactive lately :( I'm any of my comrades on this site have ever been or known someone in the International Baccalaureate program they understand. I've been doing essay after essay after presentation and haven't the time for wikination recently and may not be for some time sorry :( I now usually spend my free time reading philosophical works and spending mindless hours on tumblr and youtube.

Still, I hope y'all join the Lovian Philosophical Society to appriciate and continue the long traditions of philosophy in Lovia :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:28, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, we're all not too active at the moment. But of course, some things are more important than wikiing :P Anyway, good to see you're still around :P --O u WTB 08:38, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! Atm Brunant, Traspes and other wikinations are mroe active but hopefully you'l stick around to return activity here. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:08, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Contest in Traspes
Everybody, I started a new contest in Traspes http://es.traspes.wikia.com/wiki/Discusi%C3%B3n:Pessetimo#Concurso.2Fcontest. I am not good designing on the computer, so anybody who is intested, you can design pessetimo notes for Traspes. The best designs I will choose to be the new money. Traspes (talk) 02:55, April 12, 2014 (UTC)