Forum:The Pub

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nl:Forum:De kroegro:RoWikicity:Cafenea Welcome to The Pub! This is the general meeting place in Lovia. Inhabitants can make public announcements, have a friendly chat with some copatriots, or discuss crucial issues in Lovian politics or business. Speeches can also be made at Speakers' Corner. All archives of The Pub can be found here.

Lovian Stock Market
Hey everyone. I'm stopping by to propose the formation of an official Lovian stock market that will be open to the public. It would operate much like NASDAQ does in the United States, for those of you who are unfamiliar with the acronym. According to what I've read, we've already got a stock market of our own (at least for businesses to use). I can't see any reason why not to officially implement this, as our new Minister of Commerce. It'll be great for our economy. What do you say? --— Christopher Costello (Pikapi • Chat  • What's up ) 23:13, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * LSMI was already made, but DeemeeTalyn deleted it. -- 00:00, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

I have already done this however I never got back to writing the in character stuff, check it out Noble City Stock Exchange. Its open to the public and you can trade electronically. The page just needs sprucing up. Kunarian 00:05, February 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * These newbies -_____________________________________- Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:11, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please Villanova explain the long face. :D Kunarian 00:13, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well i really don't inlcude you Kunarian, ur getting old xD, but sometimes u guys gotta think things through. Think how hard it is to keep updating a LSM every day? Think how a company may say or just minipulate the thing to say "My stock is worth 98765456787654567876545676.5676567656" it'll start battles. It's just hard to do. Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:19, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Shh, my youth is my beauty! XD It would be hard to do yes. I thought that by being reasonable and by doing it how proper markets do then I would think it would work but then again can we trust anyone? :P Kunarian 00:34, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, you don't manipulate it. You have to buy it and have the price go up by itself. I think every company should have 1000 shares that can be bought and sold, also. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:45, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, a billion works too. But we need to implement a real monetary system so people can't just do whatever they want and buy every stock. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:49, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that the Noble City Stock Exchange isn't exclusive to companies in Noble City, right? Also, all of the values are the same by default, and I have no idea how to set the values correctly. I'll sign Costello Enterprises on if you can review the info on the page and figure out what is what. I really could use an advisor... There should be a tutorial. --— Christopher Costello (Pikapi • Chat  • What's up ) 04:18, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 11:52, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Make Plains an OFFICIAL hamlet!
I seriously think Plains deserves so. -- 23:05, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would agree, plz present it before congress. The way you do this is by adding it to the existing local places list to the hamlets. I will vote pro! Marcus/Michael Villanova 23:11, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

I edited it a bit here: User:TimeMaster/Plains —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:55, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Plains could join the main namespace. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:06, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of SjorkingmaWikistad's original one. Moving now... -- 13:04, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nvm, Oos, can you rename it [ by clicking here?] Thanks! (admins rights needed to delete redirect) -- 13:09, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't move it yet. All I did was move it to the north coast of Asian Island. Adoha is already on Truth Island, we should get a village in another part of Clymene. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:39, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * What i'm in favor in is proposing this before congress. So it's actually official. Which i'll do now Marcus/Michael Villanova 13:44, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

GUYS!
We HAVE COMMUNITY CONSENSUS TO MAKE PLAINS A CITY. LET'S DO THAT RIGHT NOW. Oos, please move the page. -- 18:35, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

No, we don't. We have community consensus to make plains a town. Other than that, we haven't agreed where to place it, etc. So don't move the page. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:37, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, we don't have that either, we have consensus to make Plains a hamlet. :P --Semyon 19:05, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Correctly. There is a low number of hamlets in Lovia. Wabba The I 19:10, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Progressive Coalition 2012
We need this, so all us Progressive and Socialists can unite and join together in a dioluage for this congress. If you want to sign up and join us to defend the countries middle class sign your party below: Please Join! Marcus/Michael Villanova 23:54, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Labour Party
 * Green Party
 * Lovian Communist Party
 * Animal Rights Party
 * Walden
 * CPL.nm
 * Liberal Democratic Party

Added LDP. =) —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:50, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Would have never guess =O glad to have you, we're up to at least 30+ members Marcus/Michael Villanova 02:21, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Well, we're a bit more left than before. Basically, the most left of the liberals, though still not as left as CPL.nm or Labour. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 03:23, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

News
Everyone I started a new wikination about a small carribbean island. It needs a shitload of work but I was wondering if anyone would like to heelp me there, the link is http://www.pintona.wikia.com. MMunson 03:06, February 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have also started my own wikination, here let me share, like yours its very young. http://bretherland.wikia.com/wiki/Bretherland_Wiki Kunarian 03:29, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should establish relations between our ountris, when they are developed enough. One thing, how big is your country, mine's a little smaller than Barbados. MMunson 03:37, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Does everybody have his own wiki now? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:11, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Seriously xD i was just gonna say. I think i'll help Kunarian, his just looks more "professionalized" also he's a good map-maker and Logo creator which is good for a start up. Marcus/Michael Villanova 11:00, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank ya marcus. The reason I made a wiki is because I just love Lovia, so I wanted my own. I won't abandon Lovia though, I'm preoccupied with life today however. And by the way my country is quite large. Kunarian 13:21, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I might help out a bit in both, but Kunarian, you need more content and MMunson, you need more decorations. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:51, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey! Shitload is my word! I might join them also, but I was actually planing on creating my own little nation. Either way, Lovia is where my heart is at. — Christopher Costello (Pikapi • Chat  • What's up ) 15:53, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have a French wikination, as well as an English wikination. I am inactive on both, though, since I don't know how to make maps, which are vital. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 17:06, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what happened to the maps on the French wiki that I had made. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:20, February 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * In the Harvian Islands, I'm James Stanton. In Brunant, I'm Jack Ash. In Cétatie, I'm Jean Royal. In Maores, I'm Jasper Maegt. In Breterhland, I'm Joseph Honest (Prime Minister) and in Lovia and Libertas, I'm Jhon Lewis =D I have create 300 own wikis about an own country. Mostly, I called Libertas or Lovia (Sorry, I'm not originale!). In a couple of times (15x), I called Katachon. But I work never done. The highest number of pages on my own country wiki was not more than 80. Wabba The I 19:16, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * It would be nince to have you around on Brunant more often. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:55, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Cettatie is a legitimate French wiki. It has Dutch everywhere, image names are Dutch, there are Dutch translations of things, it seems like a Wikination for Dutch people that are learning French more than a real French wiki. That's why I started a new one. And Horton, I decided to switch to an archipelago. Taking over part of the real world was weird, and the land was too small--I don't want just one city. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:11, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Timemaster, I make maps. — Christopher Costello (Pikapi • Chat  • What's up ) 01:12, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Great, good to know. I'll contact you if I need one. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 02:04, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Plains
Where should it be? -- 02:35, February 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * By law, it's a hamlet. Marcus/Michael Villanova 02:50, February 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, only you forgot to address the "where?" portion of his question, Marcus. As for Jeff, I believe it is currently in Adoha, although this might be changed in the near future. :P — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 04:00, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we should locate yet another hamlet on Truth Island. It's a relatively small island and if we are to believe the page: "The Island is currently under consideration for total protection under NPS rule, which was proposed by Marcus Villanova." If we are considering it to become a National Park and we want to keep the island as natural as it currently is (where is your progressive voice now??), we should definitively not place Plains on Truth Island. Instead, Asian Island would be a way better choice. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:12, February 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * @All - I like how i said what it was i got home at like 9, dolly works 9 to 5, i work 5 to 9 xD. I was tired XD Marcus/Michael Villanova 10:58, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know if my post as governor can influence things, but personally I think it should be on Asian island. As it's a hamlet, it should be near a major settlement (and as little Adoha already has Ferg Beach, it should be near Sofasi). HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 12:53, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * In the past when State Laws existed, governors decided whether a town would become official and certainly where they were to be situated. Nowadays I think, governors have an advisory role. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:17, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * It should be down to the governer. Kunarian 15:20, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, it looks like we got Kunarian authorising Horton for his vote, taking in account TM, Horton and me are pro-Asian Island, that makes 4 votes pro-Asian Island and only Jeff pro-Truth Island. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:26, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Err, what's that 5 to 9 stuff, Marcus? XD And, Horton, hamlets have no need to be near major cities. They just need to be linked to a major city. Otherwise, it would be impossible to make a village or town or city that is far from another, because we couldn't get past the hamlet stage of development. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 16:02, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not all settlements have to start off as hamlets, they could be villages (like Charleston). HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:24, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Charleston started off as a hamlet, because you can't just say it's a village without people living there. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:35, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Interwiki events
With Kunarian and Munson both having new wikis, we should have more interwiki events like a film festival and beauty pageant. HORTON11 : •  17:12, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure, they still have no embassy in Lovia (not even a page on the country!), so there's a lot to be done. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:14, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not just with them, but also with TM's french wikination, Brunant, Libertas and Maores. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:17, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know you meant that, but would like to see diplomatic relations with all wikinations concerned before we do film festivals etc. Of course, it's a very good idea to do it (it would boost activity in all wikinations and that's what we need right now), but I don't know the nations of TM, Kunarian and Munson yet, because they have no (or hardly any) diplomatic relations with Lovia and Mäöres. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:32, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

On a related note, the Lovian-Brunanter film The Inside Job is looking for actors to play the main roles. Anyone interested just respond below. HORTON11 : •  17:10, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Admins
We need some people who are trusted and can do the following things: Please, guys. I need the adminship because nobody else can do these things. -- 23:59, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * ENABLE CHAT
 * Enable Expanded Wiki Navigation
 * Enable lots of stuff
 * Edit wiki interface messages

I am so against ur amdimship, just for "newness". Also I'm currently I think oos is doing fine. We have like 7 active members, maybe 10 so one person is good. Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:04, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Err, Jeff... why do you want Chat enabled if you hate the new skin? I thought you couldn't use chat on Monobook. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 02:49, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

To make it clear: Jeff, you are probably one of the more controversial figures of the wiki. Generally, admins are trusted by (almost) the entire community. Other thing: "enable lots of stuff" (so, what kind of stuff?), Expanded Wiki Navigation (wtf is this?), chat (we have talk page, forums, blogs, who all keep the discussion in the page histories. no need for a chat), and edit wiki interface messages (1. what messages; 2. why?) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:13, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

I am against all new admins, tbh, because I don't see anyone on this wiki who is suited to the job. --Semyon 10:31, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * When you're getting really desperate, you can always just pick me. The glorious First Consul of Rome 10:35, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, nice try though :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:58, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, but there is one problem. There are no other active adimins and when you are gone, there will be no one to run the site. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 12:56, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, for now I'm not gone and in case I might vanish unexpectedly, you can always reach our bureaucrat Dimitri on his talk page. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:13, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm interested in revamping the templates. I want to change them to Template:Ambox type templates, which I think look great. If you haven't seen one, check out, for example, Template:Cleanup on Wikipedia. It'd be easier for me to do this as an admin, though I could just tell Oos what to do as well. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:23, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't need admin rights for creating that template :P Though I have to admit, you'd probably make a good admin. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:26, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * To make the formatting look right, you do. I'll post what to add in a few minutes. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:04, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me know if anything malfunctions. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:14, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

@Oos: To your first comment, if you say "wtf is this" maybe we need an admin who is actually TECHNICAL. THIS WIKI SUCKS ON TECHNICAL ISSUES. OH, YOU CAN'T TRUST ME? TO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO SENSE GOODBYE FROM TERROR! -- 22:28, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Jeff, in case you haven't noticed: everybody on this wiki agrees not to agree with you because You make no sense. And if you want to know: I'm admin on several wikipedias and wiktionaries, including one of the largest wiktionaries. We don't suck on technical issues, we simply don't use useless techniques which can be replaced by far simpler systems. Enabling techniques just to have them enabled is ridiculous. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 23:08, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, have a nice time :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 23:08, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. One more thing: Music Wiki may have a lot of articles, but is less active than Wikination, and half of edits are by you. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:19, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nigga u got served. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Marcus/Michael Villanova 02:10, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hahahaha, a wiki with 12.000 pages is medium-sized, not large. And anyway, using Special:Randompage (which has been removed from the sidebar, probably because there's no contents..) I can only find stubs and useless, empty pages like . If this is the way you want to work on a wiki, fine, but it's not the way we do things. We go for quality, not quantity. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:01, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * May I point that the size of your respective wikias is not really relevant to the issue? Not trying to compensate for something, I hope? :P --Semyon 10:08, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it does matter to some extent. I mean, you can create three wikis aday using wikia, so imagine doing that one month. Then you could say: I am admin of a thousand wikis, so I am a good admin! Should try that once though :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:30, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

@OWTB: Those techeniques will be enabled mandatory some point in the future unfortunately, And I think it is better because you then can't get edit conflitcs Pierlot McCrooke 11:11, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nonsense, and even if that's true, they will never abolish talk pages. And those few times we have edc's... --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:30, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that once will be a true scenario. We don't have real access to article talk page on harvian too. And the system of talk pages is slow and olderwetch. You can't publish messages simultaously on that system Pierlot McCrooke 11:46, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's because the Harvian wiki was created AFTER the shift to comments below the pages. We are still before that time and these wikis are not going to be changed unless explicitly asked by the community. And you should consider whether it is an improvement if you can publish messages simultaneously. Actually, I think the reverse could be said. Now, we first consider what we want to bring across and then we carefully write the sentence in order to remain reasonable and polite (though we often fail on that one :P). Take the chat: everybody writes six-word sentences with hardly any load and hardly any consideration. Perhaps you still remember the chat we had with Dimitri shortly before the Hurbanova Crisis:
 * Bucu: De koning regeert voor de volle 100%
 * Dimi: Klopt
 * It lead to one of the darkest chapters in Lovian history. This would've never occurred if we were having that discussion on a talk page rather than in a chatting room. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:35, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was also because you both were mentally younger and maybe dimi meant something ohter with that. That whole Hurb crisis thingy was really 'overrtrokken'. You also use it too much when referring to the need for states.It is like I want a forbidding for irritating with the Teletubbies and then doing it myself to create support for the rule. You should stop creating thoose independency movements to manipulate support for states. Pierlot McCrooke 12:46, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it was because Dimitri didn't have the time to express himself carefully. On a talk page he would've reacted with a 800-byte response, but you can't do that in a chatting room. And to be honest, the second part of your reaction takes away the first part. You can't call me mentally younger (in that time), while you say I create independence movements (which I do not do), nor do I manipulate support for states (whatever you mean by that), and the entire telletubbies thing is a wrong comparison (=a fallacy!). --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:25, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * the current system Talk pages are technically old-fashioned. and the message wall is not a chat. it is a modernized version of a talkpage without really editing the page. And what I mean with manipulating sipport for states us that you always threaten that it will destroy Oceana culture and such and you point always to 2008 while that won't happen anymore. You then write to keep states that there are tensions so MOTC are afraid to vote pro Pierlot McCrooke 16:23, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's a comment system, aimed to make Wikia more like Facebook, and value its social side over its informative side, which is a horrible idea. Wikis are not social networking sites. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 16:36, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. If you want to chat to people, just use IRC or Facebook. Also, Oos has never 'manipulated states', but I certainly agree with him that abolishing them would be an awful idea. --Semyon 16:44, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

the Wabba Problem
Wabba's edits do usually more harm than good. His edits are in broken English and usually need to be re-edited. When he does edit and it is okay it's usually something impossible. He's stuck himself in almost every historical place in Lovian history whether it be Governor of Oceana then Governor of Kings but at the same time he was a congressmen and ran 4543 companies. Please he needs to stop, it's more work reverting his edits than actually let him edit. I can't be alone here. I mean just look at his IC page, he stuck himself in many congresses, many governorships and other government roles which he never got. I can honestly not understand why he thinks he's doing good but w.e and we seriously need to stop him now. Marcus/Michael Villanova 18:55, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know and I can not speak English and I use translation sites. Those are not good. I will change all the congresses and other things whereby I no permission asked. But I'm still in the current goverment and I ran not 4543 companies. Only one big, Plus Company. Wabba The I 19;10, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wabba, you should remove the part where you were police commissioner, as Congress did not appoint you. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:13, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * And where he states he was in congress from 2003-2005 and mayor of towns and such oh and when he also states he is in 23 other positions Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:20, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * And on top of that he found the time to act in every major motion picture made in Lovia in the past 5 years. History should not be changed And Wabba, ask permission before inserting yourself in others' work. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:23, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have change the following pages: 2003 Congress, 2004 Congress, Lovian Civil War, Federal Police, King's Party, Portland Town Hall and of course Jhon Lewis. Wabba The I 19:29, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Its def a start, we should do some more but it's a start. Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:29, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * It still mentions on your page that you were police commissioner, which is untrue. You should fix that. Btw, I just realized your name is like Jabba the Hutt's. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:30, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's the one from Star Wars. I find Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Indiana Jones better. I will change it. Wabba The I 19:34, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup that's english. Anyway yeah needs some clean up Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:40, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Message from uncle OWTB
I'm sorry guys that I haven't been able to edit the last few days. I'm currently lying in bed because of some kind of fever. I hope to get better within a few days. :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:52, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I had a cold last week and I felt terrible. Hopefully you get well soon. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 20:09, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I haven't gotten sick (other than being REALLY tired last summer for half a day for no reason...) in over two years. I've kind of forgotten what it feels like. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:50, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Last time I was this ill was quite a few years ago as well, trust me, you don't want to know how it feels again :P As a matter of fact, I'm so "deranged" that I woke up at 1.00 o'clock at night, after having slept all day long, randomly starting up my laptop and checking my mail and wikination while I can't even walk down the stairs without partially fainting :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 00:10, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

There was this one time in my childhood spanning a couple of years when I never got sick. I almost wanted to get sick, but I must have had a great immune system. I've never even had the chicken pox. Now I'm getting sick all of the time. — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 03:18, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oos, the other day I read a wikipedia article on a Dutch variant spoken in New jersey and I was wondering if it is close to Limburgish (or if you could understand it). Here is the phrase it showed on the article:
 * En kääd'l had twî jongers; de êne blêv täus, de andere xong vôrt f'n häus f'r en stat. Hai dogti ôm dat täus en z'n vâders pläk.Tû zaide: äk zal na häus xâne. Main vâder hät plänti.

HORTON11 : •  19:06, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * The spelling is a bit corrupted as if somebody from the US is trying to write Dutch (that's what basically happens anyway, but yeah..). It's very close to Dutch, but not particularly to Limburgish, I understand it. In Modern "Dutch" Dutch it would be: En Karel had twee jongens; de ene bleef thuis, de andere ging voort van huis naar een stad. Hij dacht over dat thuis en z'n vaders plek. Toen zei die: ik zal naar huis gaan. Mijn vader heeft veel. It uses some dialectal forms such as docht, gong, toe. But most notable is a loanword from English: "plänti" means "plenty" :) In Limburgish we would write: Èn Kaerel had twieë jóng; d'n eine bleef heim, wiel d'n angeren eweggóng dèès steies. Hae dach euver gaem heivem èn g'r staad ziens vaders. Doe zag t'r: ich gäön heives. Miene vader haed väöl. As you can see, New Jersey Dutch is closer to the Dutch standard than to Limburgish. Most Limburgish people moved to Minnesota and other homesteading areas, so you won't find many of their offspring near the East Coast. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:56, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * I speak German and I understand some of it. On another topic: it's funny this should come up, because the reason I stopped using my old Semyon Edikovich account was that I had the flu last year, became really delirious and changed my password. When I was better again, I'd forgotten it, but I never told Dimitri the real story, because I didn't think he'd believe it. Hope you get better soon, Oos. :P --Semyon 17:40, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * For Dutch and Limburgish you don't need German. I'm pretty sure all English people understand words like blood and good :P I don't think Dimitri wouldn't have believed that. A lot of users have forgotten their passwords in the past. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:30, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Don't feed the troll
Rather than responding to unconstructive IP edits, it's infinitely preferable to revert them. --Semyon 16:24, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Activity
So, what should we do to get activity back up? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:33, March 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * IDK it seems sorta dead, like it goes:


 * Election: High
 * Afterwards:low
 * Then:Medium
 * Summer:low
 * Fall:High
 * Winter:low

I am afraid that the more wikis there are, the less editors can be found here. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:28, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I've always been told that, but I seriously doubt it. At this point you can't pick or choose. How many wikias are really going on? Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:32, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

It's a vicious circle, really. Personally, I log on every day, look at RecentChanges, think to myself 'oh, no one's edited today, so I won't either' and log back out. I suspect many others do the same. --Semyon 17:33, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

And then we have those certain nay-sayers and what not who just hate what ever one user does, and just leads to more inactivity, Marcus/Michael Villanova 18:01, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but a lot of previously quite active people who go inactive, like Semyon, will still return if activity does go up (except for all those post-2011 elections people). We just need to find a way to get them active again. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:19, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds logic. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 21:59, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not gone. — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 23:07, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'm just falling behind because of exams. once they are done I'll be back in full swing. Kunarian 11:52, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah and some of it is school.Marcus/Michael Villanova 12:43, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

And now we're dead again. Any more ideas? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:55, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, my computer gave up, so I'm (still...) not able to be active :( --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:07, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * What TimeMaster said about those time periods; it's been like that since the very beginning . Initially, on the Dutch version Wikistad, things also cooled down after elections, but less so than here. Why? Wikistad was all about the economy. People were always building companies, overtaking others, merging, fusing, splitting... On Wikination, it has never been like that. The focus here is on politics and elections. When those are over, most activity is over. So, I guess your observation about "activity seasons" is very correct . 07:39, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * That wasn't be, I think it was Marcus. But I don't mind taking credit for it è. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:02, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Also, I think that Winter is more medium rather than low. That only seems to apply to November (not even winter) and December, and last year those were fairly active, especially December. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:01, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Looking for Broadway
With our impending census which will bring our popsulation up another let's say 30000 or 50000, i think it's time we put a mini broadway section with about 5-7 theaters. I looked at artista and I don't think that'll work so maybe Muza, like a sorta, Train Village economy boost? Marcus/Michael Villanova 12:54, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

It'll go up to 200,000, but what the heck. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:53, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

200,000?! That's a little too high. 50,000 seemed like a better number. HORTON11 : •  15:01, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

200,000 is a good number, more realistic for Lovias stage of development. Kunarian 15:06, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Its a high number, we know, but in terms of population, TimeMaster's estimate isn't to extreme. Back to the subject at hand, though, you are thinking about making a theater district? I honestly don't think that Train Village is the place, considering how small, green settlements usually don't tend to expand as much as the already big cities do. A theater district could exist in Train Village, but it couldn't be as large-scale as you're hoping, with such a small population to boot. — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 15:40, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I agree it should go up to 200.000. --Semyon 16:31, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Keeping it simple: it goes times 10, so 220.000 or something. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:24, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I like how i try to propose a theater district and everyone starts talking about the population/ Marcus/Michael Villanova 17:25, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Everyone
Hi everyone,

I'm Edward Hannis, if you don't know/remember me. I haven't checked in in quite awhile. Today I was reading my history textbook, studying for a test on Russian history from Ivan the Terrible to Gorbachev, when I read about Rasputin. For some reason I had a constant deja-vu of a pseudo-Politician who was a total bad-ass... I realized I was thinking of none other than Ygo August Donia, aka YgoD. At this point I remembered about Lovia which I had effectively forgotten, and so here I am.

To those who haven't seen me... I'm Edward Hannis. I'm not nearly as veteran as some of the first people here in Lovia like Dimitri, Yuri, Ilava (I briefly looked over the Pub and I thought I saw his signature in there), but I am older than a few people around here-- I was around to see Marcus Villanova and Justin Abrahams as burgeoning editors. During my time I was never really the leader of much of anything, but that was fine with me... too many chefs will ruin a soup. I thinking my most important role was being the lead editor of LQ, which was the most important newspaper of the time and the only one to provide sustained daily news. Of that I was proud, though in hindsight it seems silly.

I left Lovia for a significant amount of time during the summer of 2010, for reasons I cannot claim to remember. In all likelihood I was bored with this site and moved onto something else. I did come back, however, and found a Lovia with many new players... Villanova being the one I remember most distinctly. (All this babble of remembering things suggests one of three things: either I'm getting old and forgetful, I like to pretend I'm old, or most of the things we do here are trivial. I'm leaning towards that last one.) I'm happy to say he's become one of the better editors of this site.

So, what I've been up to the past half-year since I last checked in... not terribly much. I did have a realization, however-- while reading books on politics I stumbled upon one author that made me shiver because I thought precisely in the same was as he: Jeremy Bentham. I realized that the philosophy of everything that I had held onto since middle school (that happiness is the ultimate goal of life, and that this is essentially the only axiom for any decision in life), actually had a name: Utilitarianism. To me, the rigor of his philosophy is akin to Euclid's Elements and is a masterpiece of thought.

Other than that I've been mostly looking into my new interest, which is computer programming. I'm taking a course in programming with my school (AP Computer Science A, for those Americans out there familiar with APs), and on the side I've been learning about HTML/HTTP, C, and Unix machines. I think I've found my passion in life with computers, but my tendency to snoop around and play with the school network has more than once gotten me in a bit of trouble. I guess I should stop reading 2600. :P

So enough about me-- what's been going on with Lovia these days? A brief overview of who's left and who's new would be great, as well as a rundown of past events (if any). I'd love to come back into contact with old comrades of Lovia, and I'd like to meet the "new generation" of editors as well. (let's pray my signature still works) A RMACHEDES  22:19, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

We're dead. We've suffered a horrible fate: inactivity. Who's left: User:Wabba The I (who seems to only be doing cosmetic edits now), plus a few lurkers (primarily me, Horton, and Oos). Anyway, nice to see you again. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 00:19, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

We aren't properly dead, just a bad time in the education year. I should be able to do some edits now that a break has come, but not for two day, going to a wedding reception. Kunarian 07:17, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean, TimeMaster with cosmetic edits? Wabba The I 08:34, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wabba, "cosmetic edits" are edits which only have influence on the wiki coding of a page, not how it actually looks like. I don't think you do these edit on purpose and there's nothing wrong with them, so keep doing what you're doing :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:46, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Edward, welcome back I'd say :P We are slightly inactive, but after I finish my job applications I have time to be more active again :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:46, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Nice to see you again, Edward. :) You could check out the Lovian Civil War page, or the Federal Elections, 2012, but to be honest not much has been going on... --Semyon 08:28, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey my man Hannis! Good to see you again bro. And I am honoured to be described as a "badass pseudo-politician". Never been described that way, lol, but that's pretty spot-on! This site keeps drawing people back, hehe. Sure, it's easy to leave but forget? Never.  The glorious First Consul of Rome 14:59, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey! Is this just a passing-by, or do you plan on being here more often? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:33, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * @TimeMaster: Well it's sad that Lovia has become inactive but I cannot say I'm surprised. I recommend that we continue to encourage having fewer articles but of high quality. When people visiting see that we have quality articles, they might actually join in on the fun. I know I sound like a broken record saying this over and over again, but I'm convinced it's true.
 * @Oos: Hey! I'm surprised you're still around, being an adult and everything. But who am I to judge? To each his own.
 * @Semyon: A civil war in Lovia? You serious? Though at first it seems unrealistic I guess you guys must have played upon people being tired of an inactive government (hint hint :P) and maybe Oceanian independence movements. The election template is really awesome, by the way. I really hope someone can fill that article.
 * @YgoD: You're the Jack Churchill of Lovia. :P It's true... the concept of a wiki-nation is awesome. If it were inactive as it once was it would be amazing.
 * @Horton: I might stick around for a few days but I have to move into a new house this week and school's pretty time-consuming. And what time remains is partitioned between programming, piano, and my sweetheart. A RMACHEDES  00:59, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I cannot say I have much time on my hands, either. Though I could be easily sucked back into a time-consuming online activity like wikination, because I work a lot on the PC for my study. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. The glorious First Consul of Rome 15:55, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Idea
I had an idea that might get some more activity on the wiki. Maybe Lovia could host a soccer tournament like the Champions League or the Club World Cup, where teams from various wikinations participate (if there are not enough we could also get clubs from small countries). HORTON11 : •  15:33, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we could. Or we could use the many soccer clubs our nation already has and let them play against one another. We had a lot of teams but then someone decided to remove half of 'em. Anyway, we still probably have enough teams for a decent national competition and they're not doing anything at the moment. The glorious First Consul of Rome 15:42, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * The purpose of this would be to get the top domestic clubs of these countries to play each other. This would be a higher honor to win, just like the Champions league is above Serie A or the Premier League. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:46, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Someone needs to edit the 2012 IRB Small Sevens Cup page because the game is aldready done. Wabba The I 17:00, March 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * And about the soccer tournament, it's a very good idea! Clubs from Libertas, Brunant and Lovia can complete against each other. Wabba The I 17:02, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wabba, if you can fix up the Chester FC page they could participate in this tournament. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:06, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I find it disturbing everybody forgets about a beautiful country called Mäöres :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:40, April 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes Horton but I'm now James Stanton, mayor of Martensdorp and not more Jack Ash, he's dead. Wabba The I 11:00, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Here's the deal. We will have 4 clubs from each country (including Mäöres) participating. Up until the final, the two teams facing off will play twice and the one with higher aggregate score advances. The final will be decided by a single game in Noble City. Now, the issue is, which teams do we select to participate? HORTON11 : •  15:19, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry
My computer charger port broke and took at least two weeks to fix. =[ BUT Finally it's back and I can re-join this community =] sorry for the breaking of meh computer. Marcus/Michael Villanova 12:11, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yay! :P I think we're going to be making a budget and passing it in Congress, so more voices on that would be great. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:23, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'll check that out. Marcus/Michael Villanova 15:00, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, is the 2012 LSCA still going to take place. I started the Continents Cup for global clubs and the Micronations Cup as an international tournament for may. HORTON11 : •  15:11, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean to say that the little hole to plug in the charger broke? That sucks. Once my charger broke, the damn cable was almosttotally separated and I had to bust it open to fix the wiring. HORTON11 : •  15:13, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Bascially I can't deal with that right now, but i am updating the rugby sports section. Soccer is just not working right now. Marcus/Michael Villanova 15:17, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

The charger on my laptop broke in 2009. When I finally got a new charger a month after it broke, the battery would not charge. So now I have to always keep it plugged in or it'll turn off. Annoyingly, another old laptop of my dad had its charger break in 2008. A new charger on Christmas 2010 revealed that the battery was still working fine. I was shocked. A month broke my battery, and over 3 years didn't break his... very weird indeed. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:31, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Why does everybody have computer issues? My computer gave up a month ago :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:49, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

No one has computer issues except Marcus, they're just telling stories. :P My computer hasn't broken for as long as I can remember, but it's getting pretty slow... --Semyon 15:35, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well, in the past they had :P Most computers are slow. I think only the first weeks after installation they function perfectly :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 04:25, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * My PC is kinda slow but at least I have fast internet. Same with my laptop. Yes, I have both. Like a boss. The glorious First Consul of Rome 15:57, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, I have two PCs and a laptop. You can't beat me :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 04:30, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * A man can always dream, right? Shoot for the stars! The glorious First Consul of Rome 05:46, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do too. :D —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 11:03, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hey, just spent a half hour undoing vandalism. Please ban that asshole TahR87 and that idiot who loves "barebacking". These guys honestly have nothing better to with their lives than make our lives miserable. Fuck them. Please ban, Oos. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:36, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that bareback guy is tah too... He's not a great editor I must say. We BTW had bareback-guys befor too. Then they also put picturs on articles Pierlot McCrooke 05:33, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well done TimeMaster for fixing the pages. Now we just need to ban IPs and ban Users indefinitely, we don't need people who are so backwards that instead of trying to add to something to entertain themselves they feel the need to harass and damage. Kunarian 07:03, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * His name is Tahrim Ramdjan, he's just a frustrated little Indian nerd with too much time on his hands. Don't pay attention to him. The glorious First Consul of Rome 07:48, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * He's gone. Thanks for reverting :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:59, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

I must say I never expected him to become gay though, as he used to be quite jihaddist :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:10, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * After they found that huge stash of porn in Osama's hide-out nothing suprises me anymore with these fellows. Maybe's it is just part of Tahr's cover? The glorious First Consul of Rome 09:23, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hahahah, didn't he live in Amsterdam? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:30, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * If facebook says so it's probably true. ;) The glorious First Consul of Rome 09:31, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hahaha :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:47, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please ban his sorry ass, Oos. it wouldn't be nice if he came on here again in the future and did the same, or worse. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:58, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * He's already banned. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:05, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Public opinion poll April 2012
What if there were elections today? Now follow the results from a public opinion poll held all across Lovia:


 * Conservative Nationalist Party: 17
 * Labour Party: 17
 * Conservative Christian Party of Lovia: 16
 * Liberal Democratic Party: 14
 * Positive Lovia: 9
 * Moderate Centrist Party: 5
 * Communist Party of Lovia (neo-marxist): 4
 * Seven Regionalist Party: 3
 * Liberal Arts Party: 2
 * Limburgish Minority Party: 2
 * Parti fo Nesavicelost 'Oshenna: 2
 * Reformed Traditional Party: 2
 * Animal Rights Party: 1
 * Green Party of Lovia: 1
 * Lovian Alliance: 1
 * Lovian Communist Party: 1
 * Liberal Christian Party: 1
 * Porcine Party: 1
 * Romanian Minority Party: 1
 * Lovian Final Peace Party: 0
 * Progressive Conservative Party: 0
 * Walden: 0

(only parties currently active in Congress, mainly based on members' activity and over-all user support) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:29, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

While the high Positive Lovia vote worries me, I am glad that the CNP is growing as an important party to represent the people of Lovia, libertarian and otherwise. Kunarian 10:35, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, it's because I thought LDP and Positive Lovia had merged, but that's not true. Next polls PL and LDP will be separated :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:32, April 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, we haven't merged. I was freaking out when the LDP wasn't in the poll. I'll just split them now. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:02, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks :P I'm still not fully up to date when it comes to the current political parties :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:48, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Leaving
Hi guys, I'm leaving on a trip. I'll be back on Friday. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 07:50, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, have a nice time. We'll see you back on Friday then :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:52, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah have fun, Hopefully there'll be lots to catch up on on friday :D Kunarian 15:13, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * everybody look atthis link

Everybody seethis link: http://www.amazon.ca/Wikination-Education-International-Educational-Corporation/dp/1234822458/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335833340&sr=1-1MMunson 00:51, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wtf :P A bit random though. They put Category:Education stub on the front page :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:34, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

There's all sorts of random stuff like that on the web. I rather like this one. :P --Semyon 10:22, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, fail :P You're not the online one though :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:45, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * How can they do that, I mean who would buy a book about random stuff on wikination at amazon.com. They did the same thing with some pages at Conworlds. Wikia says:

By editing Wikia, you agree to license any text you add under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike License 3.0 (Unported). As an author, you agree to be attributed in any of the following fashions: a) through a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to the article or articles you contributed to, b) through a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to an alternative, stable online copy which is freely accessible, which conforms with the license, and which provides credit to the authors in a manner equivalent to the credit given on this website, or c) through a list of all authors. But I don't see a list of authors in that book. HORTON11 :  •  11:50, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sue them I'd say :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:28, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Who cares? Nobody is going to pay for any volume of a random collection of pages from Wikination. They don't even have the images, and the coding is messed up in them, I think. Its redundant, and the person who put them up for sale already wasted money in their doing so. — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 01:16, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * If we sue them, we get money, which is good. I'm back, by the way. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:25, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Size of Lovia
This morning, I finally found something I've been looking for for some time - a program that can count pixels of a specific colour. Before you think I've gone crazy, let me explain. If we upload an map of Lovia, then the program will tell us how many pixels are of the same colour as the land. We can use that information to calculate the area, as long as we've decided how long one pixel is. --Semyon 10:36, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Based on rough estimates that people have made in the past, Lovia has roughly the area of Rhode Island. Does this seem reasonable? --Semyon 10:43, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what the size of Rhode Island is. All I know is: 1 pixel = 49m×48.5m. Oceana = 29×32.8 miles. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:11, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oceana's not a rectangle though. :P (I did use those figures in my calculations btw) --Semyon 11:36, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Also, 1 pixel on which map? That confused me a bit. --Semyon 11:37, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know, but it's the calculation from the widest points. 1 pixel on this map. We still had to calculate 1 pixel on this map though. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:09, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ah ok. I think you might have misunderstood me. I'm not trying to create a new scale, I'm just trying to work out the area, which is quite difficult to do manually because you have to count thousands of pixels. --Semyon 12:17, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I fully understood that, but what I wanted to point out is that we have not yet calculated the scale of a pixel on the big map, only on the map of Oceana. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:18, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like one pixel on the Oceana map would then be just under 2.5 square kilometers in area. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:40, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's right: 2376,5 m². --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:45, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Taking a quick look, the maps don't really differ in size, so 1 pixel = 2376,5 m² would probably also work for the big map. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:59, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

That seems correct. Also, I created a new map here as the website I mentioned earlier doesn't accept images larger than 512 pixels. In this new map, Oceana is 90 pixels across so one pixel on the new map represents 49*955/90 metres which is 520m. Thus one pixel has an area of 0.2704 km² on my map, which has a total of 34586 black pixels, giving Lovia an area of 9352 km². Does my maths make sense? :P --Semyon 13:30, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

This has the consequence that Lovia is a lot bigger than we thought it was, about the size of Cyprus. I don't know if that bothers anyone. (Aside to TM: 2376.5 m² is 0.0025 km², not 2.5 :P) --Semyon 13:43, May 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you sure about that? Seems like added up for all the pixels we'd only have like 5 sq km of land. . . —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:27, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, because there are a thousand metres in a kilometre, therefore there are a thousand squared metres squared in a kilometre squared, which is a million. Don't forget there are two different maps here, mine and Oos'. :P --Semyon 14:41, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

No, I think it's a good size. We should keep in mind that Lovia is characterized as a country of the future. If we tenfold our population to approx. 220.000, we will come in line to Cyprus, considering our fairly recent discovery (Cyprus having 1,099,341 people, Iceland (which is way larger, but also set up with just a few colonists) 319,575). @km²: bloody maths :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:58, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

I like maths. That's why I got the right answer. --Semyon 14:01, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Damn, CCPL just wanted to propose a law excluding maths from the mandatory educational package :'( --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:07, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

That would indeed be sad. :'( --Semyon 14:22, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Areas
Here you are. -- Semyon 16:50, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Sylvania's pretty big according to this. I always thought of Lovia as a small country somewhat like Rhode Island or Delaware in size. Btw, Lovia defeated Mauritius 3-0 to earn their first win at the Micronations! HORTON11 : •  19:58, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe we can perfectly live with this. Thank you for your effort :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:10, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

So Lovia = the total of all these? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:05, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:21, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's an accomplishment. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 22:57, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

So what now? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:22, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should make changes to the census rules official. --Semyon 12:24, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I like your map. We actually make the past volcanic theory workable (we are approx. the size of Hawaii, another island group which is formed by volcanic activity). And then the census: I propose simply doing one last time the "old census" and then multiply them by 10. We can keep these figures while searching for a good way to maintain population in- and decrease. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:55, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

The problem with volcanic islands tends to be that there are huge chains of them - have a look at. It might be a bit hard to explain why Lovia is all by itself. Unless we want to create about fifty new wikinations... :P --Semyon 09:44, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really. Lovia is said to be an ancient volcano. What if it was the biggest, and the others were way smaller (like Big Hawaii versus the smaller islands). Over millions (? :P) of years the other islands could have eroded into the sea (or at least below sea-level), causing only Lovia to be left :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:05, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Eh, that's true I suppose. Also the Harvian Islands and Bretherland could part of the chain. --Semyon 10:09, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Where are those located? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:19, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * They don't have specified coördinates, I think. Btw, I did something awesome today: made a fake satellite map of Lovia, overlaid it onto Google Earth, and used the flight simulator to fly from NC to Newhaven. :D --Semyon 12:40, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's some screenshots. --Semyon 12:51, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pretty good actually (although you can see it was created from a 2D image). --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:10, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

I just conducted the last census ever. *scrapes on violin* I'll upload full data later, but the total was 269,494. :) --Semyon 10:37, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Something else I've always found slightly unrealistic
All Lovian islands, with the exception of London and Frisco, have an area greater than 40 sq km. In reality, archipelagos tend to have a lot of small islands and islets as well; if you look at a map there'll be perhaps one very large island, a few large ones of variable size, a lot of medium sized ones, and a huge number of small ones. In general, the number of islands in a given size interval tends have an inverse relationship with the size of the islands, or simply put, the smaller the islands, the more of them there are. For example, in Scotland there are 22 islands with an area greater than 50 sq km, which is roughly similar to Lovia, but there are then another 120 islands between 1 and 50 sq km and another 100 with an area of less than 1 sq km.

Why doesn't Lovia have more smaller islands, and what are we going to do about it? :O --Semyon 11:08, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Creating more islands is not doable. All maps have to be updated and stuff in the history... Perhaps the early Belgian/Dutch settlers created dikes between smaller islands and thus created bigger islands? :P Anyway, volcanic islands tend to be more on their own (take a look at the antilles which hardly have smaller islands) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:15, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * We could make like sandbars or rocks. They would be very small but still a landmass. We could even name them after saints, like St. Peter, St. Paul, St. Anne etc. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:36, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then we should still adapt the maps. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:55, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Biotechnological practices at Costello Industries
I would like to open a public debate on wether you think that the corporation should engage in humane genetic engineering projects. Basically, what I have planned is that we create plants that produce human proteins and hormones that could be potentially invaluable to the pharmaceutical industry of Lovia. Nothing too advanced, put it would make a good public display of what we are capable of. What do you think?— <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 01:17, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * under Christian values. Good created every creature (be it humans, animals or plants) the way they are and it is sufficient (He saw it was good). Therefore CCPL can't ever support this. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:17, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I tend towards, but feel free to give some more details. Could there be a slightly less controversial idea you could pick? :) --Semyon 15:30, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

You won't find anyone more interested in a Lovian show of power to the world, however I need proof that this is possible to a good degree first, as biology is not my special subject. If you aren't thinking in fantasies and if there aren't too many moral negatives I find in the process then maybe but until then contra. Kunarian 17:27, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I would rather genetic research be started on plants, cause human guinea pigs is just too wierd, and what if something goes wrong? And even for plants there are lots of controversies, such as what Monsanto did in the midwest. HORTON11 : •  19:24, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with this. It's for medicine, after all. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:49, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

It's common high school knowledge that human growth horomone and human insulin can be synthesized in bacteria. Gene splicing to this extent has been done and is very practical. In fact, biological engineering companies frequently perform these experiments. As I said above, I'm not suggesting we do anything that is seriously taken as controversial, it's just that if we could apply these practices pharmaceutically, we might have something invaluable (yet very practical) on our hands. Because genetic engineering is a common practice, you should expect us to engage in it once we are up and running. — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 20:13, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Insulin yes, I missed the word hormone in the original post and just saw protien, you know costello you are starting to sound condescending again it doesn't help your case for political support. And while large companies do that Costello, you'll need a way that you can prove you are on top compared to the other leading ideas, I don't doubt your ability to produce a convincing chunk of information that proves what you are doing is done, I doubt you could find a niche that allows you to say you can overcome the biotech super giants that exist already however once we get tariffs going it should aid you much more (maybe include that as a factor?). From what you say though, you have my support until further notice. Kunarian 22:28, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

If these experiments are frequently performed, what's the point in us doing them? Unless you have a doctorate in biochemistry, I doubt you'll be able to make this convincingly realistic. --Semyon 20:34, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

My point in telling you is that the company plans on synthesising human proteins and hormones and I wanted everyone's two-cents. I'll put some links to real-life articles in a little while. — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 21:18, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

It's your company, so you don't need permission to do it or anything. :) I have to admit I'm still a little sceptical, but this doesn't seem much worse than animal breeding. One other thing: I thought it was more usual to use bacteria, not plants (they reproduce/grow more quickly and are easier to control in the lab.) --Semyon 08:44, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well, no matter what you're doing. CCPL has a new campaigning point now and we surely make sure (that's not correct English right? :P) that we're heard :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:14, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's incorrect, but it's surely not the most elegant sentence I've ever read. :P I'd go for 'we will definitely make sure.' myself. --Semyon 09:48, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

It would be incorrect to consider these experiments, really. Also, I haven't heard of any political parties campaigning against a biotech corporation because it works in the field of biotechnology, but I guess it is justified considering that Lovia is a smaller nation and these could be considered third-world practices. By the way, surprisingly enough, you don't need all sorts of expensive apparatus to perform these experiments. Gene splicing isn't as small-scale as you might, or I used to think. Thanks for your support Time and Kunarian, but I respect all of your input. Science is one of Costello's newest endeavors because I've become more interested in science recently (in the real world), and Lovia seems to lack in modern science. — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 23:44, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hahaha, meet the Dutch SGP (Political Reformed Protestant Party) I'd say :P Their official party program concerning biotechnology and nanotechnology can be read here (please note: site is off-line on Sunday :P). Clear words are: ''Waar de moderne mens zichzelf tot maat van alle dingen heeft verklaard en niet goed raad weet met deze fundamentele vragen, heeft de SGP hier wel een duidelijke en waardevolle visie op. God heeft het leven geschapen. Zijn Woord is de maat van alle dingen. (While the modern human being has declared itself to be the measurer of all things and does not know how to handle these fundamental questions well, on the contrary the SGP has a very clear and precious vision on this. God created life. His Word is the measure of all things.) Another one: De SGP is tegen genetische modificatie van dieren. De SGP is ook tegen genetische modificatie van gewassen als genen van niet aanverwante soorten ingezet worden.'' (SGP is against genetic modification of animals. SGP is against genetic modification of edible plants as well unless only genes of highly related plants are used). As you probably guessed, SGP is the most conservative Christian party being represented in the European Union. And that in the country of sex and mariahuana :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:04, May 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow. You actually needed to prove me wrong on that one. I don't really follow dutch politics, but I'll take your word for it. — <font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello (<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi • <font color=#2E6FFD>Chat  • <font color=#2E6FFD>What's up ) 02:26, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Take Wikipedia's Word for it :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:46, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Pikapi, you may now engage in humane genetic engineering projects. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 10:57, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Poll
On a scale of 1 to 5 (1 = poor, 5 = great), rate the performance of the current government (Ilava I) 1 2 3 4 5

Thought it'd be fun to have a poll. --Semyon 16:31, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1 being extremely well or extremely poor? :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:35, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Happy now? :P --Semyon 16:40, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Njah... We'll take it :P Still don't know what to vote though. Even though I tend to be very about myself, I must acknowledge the fact that politics is remarkably boring and inactive since my inauguration :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:43, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Ilava government's greatest achievement was making the national football team official. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:44, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * And that during a world-wide financial crisis :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:45, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Four main things: Weights and Measures Act (:P), recognition of sports teams, Eleventh Amendment and NSO. We have discussed some interesting stuff tbf, but not much has been passed. --Semyon 16:51, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's time to pass some of that :P A research conducted some times ago said that laws that were proposed with a draft had more chance to pass than proposals with no draft, so I hope to write some law proposals soon. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:03, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Voted three because of general inactivity. So much hope crushed by inactivity (and laziness). . . well, maybe we should start writing some drafts. And we should wake up old users. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:23, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * We definitively should. Currently I'm still working on a much bigger thing which is still going to take some time but will definitively have a great value for the Oceana culture. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:35, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Personal message from OWTB
After working myself to death for five years I finally created the 100.000th page on li.wikt: vach. As this is a personal triumph for me I like to share it with you guys too :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:53, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, that's quite an achievement. I guess you're not planning to stop any time soon. :P I also have some news: I finished my last exam yesterday, so school is over for me (it was my last year). :) --Semyon 13:45, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * But don't you still have college/university? Unless you're talking about college/university, that is. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:11, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I plan to go to university, but school itself is over. :) --Semyon 15:48, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yay!!!! Marcus/Michael Villanova 01:07, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

@Semyon: actually not :P I was hoping to overtake the Dutch Wiktionary but that would require a minimal growth of 1.000 pages aday and then it would still take half a year :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:45, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * My exams are in the last two weeks of June and I most be study and especially for Latin! It's my second year secundary school and that year is the most important says the teacher of Latin! Wabba The I 09:51, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I forgot to say: congratulations, OWTB! :) Wabba The I 09:53, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:25, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

month of june
In the month of June, as most students have, is going to be hectic with finals. For that month i will be inactive and maybe will only vote on bills but not have much dialogue. Sorry. Stay strong, stay Labour :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 01:07, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good luck, don't know the American exam system but it seems to be more work than the Dutch one :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:45, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why is the forum:first chamber page empty. Did I miss something? Marcus/Michael Villanova 13:36, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * You should capitalize "Chamber", see: Forum:First Chamber. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:41, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe there was just too many bites and the page went blank. But aparently nothing was deleted. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:50, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I keep going to that page and nothing. Marcus/Michael Villanova 17:37, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I archived the page now, so you can try again. If it still doesn't work and you don't use the monobook skin yet, switch to that. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:49, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

SE
I precautiously want to remind you that we still need to hold new state elections :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:56, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not until October, right? However, we need to decide if we're going to disband congress now, or wait until December. It would get rid of a lot of inactive people I suppose, but not sure we need to atm. --Semyon 14:10, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, disbanding congress now would leave us with about 5 candidates. As this is exactly the number of states we have it could be time for some state refreshment :P Anyway, the last elections that were actually held were back in 2010... --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:27, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Unless you count the 2011 elections. :P —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:46, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * But those were not "held". Those were made up :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:42, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the actual held elections still had their winners win the made up elections, so I consider them legitimate. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:38, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was not an ideal situation, but we made the best of it, I think. What's a bit more disappointing is how the governors haven't really done anything with their position. --Semyon 20:45, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's exactly why we need real elections now :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 11:47, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * How will that change anything? The current governors are you, me, Marcus, TM and Horton; new governors will be exactly the same, except perhaps also Kunarian/Wabba/Donia. I don't see how it'll make a difference. --Semyon 12:03, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, new state elections are a good idea. The current governors will elected again as governor or as deputy governor. On the Citizen page, there are apparently more than five governors and five deputy governors. Moreover, there will be ten governors or deputy governors in total: Horton, OWTB, Wabba, Marcus, Kunarian, Donia, Semyon, TimeMaster ...? But that isn't a good idea because OWTB is prime minister and I have more of those examples ... Wabba The I 16:43, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * There are more than ten because the old governors still are listed as governors. Also, what does OWTB being prime minister have to do with governors? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:57, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then what do you guys propose? We really need to get some new activity at state level... --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:59, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Spotlight
Should we try once more to get a Wikination spotlight? --Semyon 12:03, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want to invest time, go ahead :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:10, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Make me an admin, then. :P Otherwise, the only thing we need to do is 'customise MediaWiki:Community-corner'. I have no idea what it does, but... Also, we need 'approval from an active admin' and I don't know that 'if you want to invest time, go ahead.' counts, especially with a :P smiley after it. :P --Semyon 12:20, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll ask Dimi whether he can give me 'crat rights. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:01, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't we also need a custom skin in the Wikia/Oasis skin (the new one)? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 21:54, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought it was only mandatory to have that as the general skin. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 07:57, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

I will grant Semyon admin rights as soon as possible. Is there a consensus on the website for that? Maybe we can do a small poll, just to check? 14:45, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, give Semyon admin rights

 * I would have no problem. It's about time we got another admin, frankly. BTW what's up with articles on the search bar? (in Brunant I got the ones from Harry Potter wiki). HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:58, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * If everyone is happy, then I am. :P As long as you feel I'm a suitable candidate. I do have quite a lot of spare time atm so it would be useful for doing some general tidying. --Semyon 15:06, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Full support. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:49, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Semyon is not only what I would call responsible but also reasonable, two things that are quite highly valued in such positions, full support. Kunarian 16:18, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, he'd make a great admin. Nar.png Echo cho 14:33, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Full oppose. Just kidding, he'd be a good admin. But, about Oos becoming a Bureaucrat? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:18, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. I consider this little poll an expression of the community's support of Semyon as a future admin. I will see how I can make this happen a.s.a.p. Best, 12:28, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Et voila, you are admin. Congratulations! 12:35, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

I suggest we also appoint either him or OWTB as buro Pierlot McCrooke 15:29, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Bold places on maps
On maps of neighborhoods are some houses or public buildings marked bold and some not. I think: public buildings are bold and non-public buildings are normal and not bold but it's one large mistakeness. Wabba The I 17:14, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, originally all linked lots were bold, this includes practically all sold lots. Buildings with "FOR SALE" or a general name, such as "Parking lot", "Harbor" or "Forest" were not bold. People messed up the lay-out (except for Oceana maybe :P) and now the situation is a bit horrible :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:35, May 25, 2012 (UTC)