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A Non-Royal Governor for Sylvania?
Dear Lovians,

I hereby announce that I do not intend to run for Governor of my home state Sylvania. It has been a tradition for years that the ruling monarch is both Governor of Sylvania and Mayor of Noble City. Time has come, methinks, to break away from this tradition. Sylvania is a great state that might need the care of a fresh politician. Also, for democracy's sake, it sounds like a good idea not to hold more executive offices.

I would like to offer my fellow Sylvanians the chance to think about the Governorship of their home state.

I do not exclude the possibility of making myself eligible as Deputy Governor of this state, an office which does not hold any executive power according to the law. If so, I would really appreciate it if you supported my "opponent", the person who is running for Governor, the majority of the popular votes.

Sincerely,

PS: (@Yuri) I know I said the exact opposite yesterday, but I've changed my mind.
 * That's alright. You can't be everything can you.  07:34, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's right . 07:38, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds democratic! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 22:59, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * The unthinkable has become thinkable: we can now run for Gov of Sylvania =)) Martha Van Ghent 05:50, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It always was thinkable, just not that doable. 06:42, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a matter of influence, if you know the right people, and dimi knows everyone, it's a peace of cake JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  07:54, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you know the right people Jon? Harold Freeman 08:01, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * No the left :p JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  10:55, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a royal will become governor, honoring tradition? BastardRoyale 12:25, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Governor (Bradly-Lashawn)
My fellow Lovian brothers & sisters, my comrades under the red flag, your friend and brother Bradly-Lashawn greets you all warmly and respectfully!

Our nation needs strong new governors, and Philip Bradly-Lashawn of the communist party is, by far, the best chance you can get. He is a descendent of Founding Father Sir John Lashawn, the son of the late Arthur III, nephew of our current monarch and Crusher of the Capitalist Beast. Comrades, brothers and sisters, countrymen, vote Bradly-Lashawn, because a vote for Bradly-Lashawn is a vote for socialism, patriotism, order, stability, loyalty and strength. Glorious times await this nation and a new Golden Age of prosperity will arise. We will have to work hard, but everything good comes at a price. If the road to victory and success is hard, victory and success, when finally achieved, is all the sweeter. Our brothers and sisters will have to work hard, side by side, and we will have unity and harmony, general universal equality and permanent stability.

With kind regards, your future governor and your loyal servant,


 * BastardRoyale 13:01, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * JON  THE DUDE   JOHNSON  13:57, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Socialism, okay, but patriotism? Order and stability? Loyalty and strength? That sounds the wrong kind of socialism to me. Why not a socialism of world citizens? Of democracy and understanding? 16:30, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, but still pro  JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  17:52, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yuri is right, I'll vote CPL.nm (Becuse there my Friends ! and I like there views) but Loyalty Sterngth sounds like he was being Clear about what he wants. I know Philip and I know he's Socialist but I think he misspoke. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 19:04, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Marcus Villanova for govenor
Dear Lovia,


 * It has been very good in Lovia Latley, we need to have a govenor that won't just look at this as a job but as a role, a leader as a public servent. I will be running in Clymene with the Walden Party as my supporter. I'm glad to run against my competitors and will have fun doing so against such great people. As govenor I don't plan to just give up on Clymene, but give Clymene a boost and overall Lovia and help through these tough times. As govenor i'll help implement a tax plan to Help schools, Highways and the lower and middle class. I want to be your govenor and hope that you can trust in me as I do myself. I Love my state of Clymene and I want to be your govenor. Thank you -
 * From - Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]]
 * Good luck! 16:24, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, as you know it'll be hard! Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:25, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Knowing what's right (Villanova)
Again Hello People of Clymene and Lovia

I, Myself have been scared of the fact that our local system is really no more, but as Walden always says Simplfy Simply, The fact that we have no more local government is a good thing. We simplified to much though, We now need to implment a State Cabinet with positions depending on state or State Council with elected members to decide state issues. Like Towns, Speed Limit, State Taxes. This would make the govenors job actually do smothing. They would get to be an automatic member of the Council or Cabinet and would approve state laws and put them into affect. A deputy Govenor would be an automatic member but only put laws into effect when the govenor is away. To those who say "This will lead to succesion, turmoil!"

It won't, one we give the State Councils/Cabinets Very Limited Power to do only State involed things. An by doing so they couldn't succeed or make a cold war on other states. Also they could only make laws that comply with FedLaw and the consitiution.

To those who say "We don't have enough Active Members!" State Council/Cabinet size will depend on the state population and active members. And will grow as the state does. This way states can grow at there own rate.

I hope this was a convincing speech and such. I want you know that this a good way for Lovia.

Thank You and I hope you Elect me Govenor Of Clymene -

Marcus Villanova WLP 14:52, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seed limits? Is there a 'p' missing or will Walden collectivize the agricultural industry?  14:58, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay sorrry, I litterally LOLed as you pointed that out but seriously, do you agree with this? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 15:00, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

One response (King)
Some reactions: 15:34, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * It cannot lead to succession (it's unconstitutional, so Court can ban these people).
 * It will not lead to turmoil, but it might cause tensions between the states, whereas we do not have these now. Governor elections already put a pressure on the concept of states and home states. Making states too political will give Governors elected as representatives on a party an incentive to turn ideological battles into state battles. I don't want that. Does Walden want that?
 * The states have power, though limited. All the things you talk about seem already possible to me. So what's the fuss about?
 * We don't have enough members in each state to make a difference with Congress. What will happen is this: the MOTCs will all get elected in one or two state councils. What then is the use of state council taking over some jurisdiction of Congress? That sounds more like Complicate! Complicate! to me.
 * It would indeed be nice to have a fully democratic, representative body on state level. Problem is that we have too little active citizens who are not yet in Congress, and that we would have to re-assign most duties and powers. Doing that requires lots of work. The current solution allows for some interpretation, but without causing major problems. (And if there would be, SC may intervene.)
 * This is indeed a good speech. I'm happy to see you actually care about politics. That's the right attitude. The thing is, I also actually care and I doubt whether it will make things better and more transparant.


 * It seems like it s a good idea and wouldn't complicate, we've simplified WAY to much! But it seems like there isn't much argument on this, but the fact we don't have alot of active members on my side page I say that there is about 17 active members. With three or four inactive/not really active members not really listed. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 15:38, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll show you:
 * this is simple:
 * People elect Congress. Congress decides on nearly all issues. This is 'legislative': Constitution and FedLaw.
 * People elect Gov/Dep Govs. Governors decide on the most local issues. The Gov is an 'executive'.
 * When in doubt, the Supreme Court solves the issue.
 * this is complicated:
 * People elect Congress. Congress decides on national issues.
 * People elect state councils, composed of the same people that are in Congress. State Councils decide on local and state issues. Their legislative input has to be voted. To be enshrined in the FedLaw, it must be voted by Congress, consisting of nearly the same people.
 * To achieve this, there must be a very strict line between national and state issues.
 * To solve issues, the Supreme Court must intervene. Because we empower the State Council much more, defining the line between national and state issues fades, and so the Court will have more work.
 * So. More work for the Court. Just as many people in six institutions instead of just one. Advantage? None, really. 15:46, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine so when were at 30 Active Users? Fine we'll decide this later? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 15:49, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well of course, if there were hundred active users on this wiki, we would have to do some huge reforms to fit them in the system, you know. But there are only 10 to 20. And never in the history of this wiki have we seen more than 20 active users. So it seems the best idea to do something that fits that number :) 15:51, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine then, but it did seem like a good system. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 15:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not bad indeed. You know what, I have a proposal. "The Dude" Jon Johnson ) was talking about how are state level is paralyzed and all that. Of course it is, we still have to host elections. What if postponed this idea for a while, until after the elections and until the Governors and states had a chance to show what they were up to. We could then, if you still want it, re-discuss this thing and possibly think about a way to involve Governors in amending the FedLaw. Is that fine with you?  15:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just don't understand why you are afraid, this is democratic, this is safe, and it mobilizes the states! JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  15:59, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dude, read my entire comment. It's unnecessary and it will not improve anything. Please read your e-mail too :) 16:02, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fw:read yours :p JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  16:47, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * While your trying to make things less complicated, its really pushing people into politics, people need to work up the political bar instead of just rushing to the gun, Centralized government can be good and can be bad, while having a major central government we should also have some type of local level, these are jobs for common people and who care very deeply about there state or town. We are really getting into 'States Rights' deal, and could end very badly.- Perryz101 02:39, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Your future governor speaking (Bradly-Lashawn)
Socialism and communism have existed for a long time already. A wise man named Karl Marx once invented the idea of communism and although it certainly was not an instant success, the ideas, the ideals and the philosophy of communism has survived throughout the decades that would follow. As we have seen in China and Russia, it has not always lead to good things, but communism is always preferable over the despicable ideology called capitalism. Capitalism is a horrible ideology, kept alive by greedy and ignorant people that only give about money and do not care about their fellow citizens. Is that not a bloody shame, citizens of Lovia? Capitalist nations refuse to sign treaties meant to safe our environment, they refuse to take responsibility for the harm they cause the world and they invade other nations for the sake of oil. They send off their brave young men to wars only thought to increase their already considerable wealth. Is that not a bloody shame? Lovia has no army, Lovia has always tried to remain neutral in international conflicts and refuses to pick sides. It is in the spirit of those men and women who think global, that I will govern the state that will be put in my care. I will fight for that state, I will bleed for that state, I would even be prepared to die for that state. The success of the state will reflect my success as a politician and as a governor. As the governor of a state, I would ask much from my citizens. I would ask them to see me not as a leader, but more like one of them. You should see me as Brother Philip, Comrade Philip, not as some kind of Great Chairman. You are equal to me and I am equal to you. We are all one big, happy family. We all pay our taxes, and work hard to support the state we call home and the people we consider to be our brothers and sisters. Men and women are equal, homo and straight people are equal, white, black and asian people are equal. Nobody is better then his or her neighbour on the grounds of either his race, his sex or his religion. Religion and state are clearly separated.

As your governor I will introduce new values or reintroduce older, pre-existing values. The family is important and I will promote the idea of having larger families. Lately Lovia has seen a babyboom, a genuine growth spurt of our population. I would like to maintain this growth and ask of you to be fruitful and multiply. Many hands make the work lighter, and in order to maintain our economic growth we should raise more children to replace our generation as the workers of tomorrow to prevent our nation from facing economic problems when our older generation of workers retire, the generation born after the Second World War.

As your governor I would fight for everybody. I would treat the people from my state as if they were, each and everyone of them, my own sons and daughters. My own flesh and blood, my kinsfolk. I would fight for you like a father would fight for his own children. I am not saying it will be easy to reach the high goals I have set for myself and my state to reach, but you should all know, comrades, that I demand as much from you as I demand from myself. In fact, dear friends, I am positive it will prove to be mighty difficult to reach these goals, but I am confident we will manage to reach them. Together as one.

These are the values I consider to be mine. They define me as a person, and as a politician. I am a warm man, a family man. I deeply love my nation, I am a true patriot, yet this has never prevented me from thinking global and across the border. From seeking a solution out of the box. I am a man who would like to honour tradition, yet at the same time, break taboos.

As a nephew to our monarch, I have some influence in our Royal Family and I have all the connections a governor could wish for to have. I will use this influence and these connections for your sake. I will fight for you, but I need your votes and your supports. I believe in you, do you believe in me?

Your future governor,

BastardRoyale 16:01, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice speech. But: "I have some influence in our Royal Family".. ahum  16:04, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * What are you suggesting, nephew? That I don't? That's not what you said at the baptism of my daughter last month! BastardRoyale 16:08, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * That baptism on the day I was abroad? ;) 16:10, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * hahahah, this is getting better by the minute. --&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Aesopos/HT}} 16:15, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember the good, long conversation we had over the phone. I got it in my inbox somewhere. On topic: how do you people like the speech? BastardRoyale 16:17, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, then you spoke to my dog on the phone ;). 16:22, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Dimi: you don't have a dog, maybe it was your rabbit? @Bastard: it's very honest, very you!  06:02, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments, hopefully I will also get some more on-topic reactions aswell... BastardRoyale 11:39, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not easy since you write such colossal speeches. The ones that bother to read can't remember the start once their half-way through. It is more bombastic than something I would like to read for fun but I can't deny you know how to inspire people!  14:31, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's right. Yuri seems inspired to write about its style rather than its topic, and you inspired me to be sarcastic rather than inspired! 15:42, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't comment on the content because the style is so much more striking. The content is rather classic: nice ideas, some 'who am I' and 'why to pick me'. The usual, but fine. 06:33, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * But you liked the style? That's good to know. I also just wrote a new speech - the show must go on, I am not done campaigning yet. BastardRoyale 07:44, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sylvanians! (Bradly-Lashawn)
Sylvanians! It was my father who ruled our nation longer then any monarch before him ever did. His name, known to you all, was Arthur III. He was a kind and a caring man who lived in Sylvania for the biggest part of his life, and it was also home to many other of our greatest kings and queens. Many famous and innovative people have been born in this state, and many great inventions have been made here, many deals closed, treaties signed and historical buildings erected. Tradesmen, businessmen all came to this state to do business and set up countless companies. Their descendents brought wealth to the state and also to the nation and their descendents – among them me – continue to do so to this day. Now instead of most of these people, I happen to be a true communist and it is my task, my goal, my quest to divide the incomes properly and make sure there will be no more poverty? No more poverty, you ask? What big words sir Bradly-Lashawn is speaking, you may say to yourselves. I know it may sound unrealistic but I believe it is possible. As one of the richest and most prosperous states we have the duty to not only look at our own citizens, but also ship in and help out our less fortunate friends in states like for example Oceana, who could do well with some support, especially in the areas that have been struck by earthquakes and other natural disasters. There have been fundraisers and we have send money, yes, but is it enough to just send money to ease our guilty conscience and let them deal with the problems themselves? As members of the same nation, it is also our problem. We will not just send, we go there ourselves and try to form better bonds with the other states and work more closely together towards the same goals. First, of course, dear Sylvanians, I have to be elected. If not, I cannot make these words a reality. I have to be elected and so I need your votes, brothers and sisters, comrades. I know it will be hard to win this race since my opponent is no less then Martha Van Ghent. She is a worthy adversary and she is a fine politician whom I deeply admire. Underestimating her and the amount of followers this lady has or could have would be the biggest mistake for me to make, so I won’t make that mistake. I have tons of work to do, and if you help me, people of Sylvania, we will get it done. So that in the future Sylvania of my dreams, a little tramp could be dining together with his rich neighbour and all will be well. In the end we are all people. We all have our hopes and dreams, our wishes and our fears. Let me take away your fears: I will not take away your money, Sylvanians! I will divide it. It will be used to help those who need it. I will not make rich people poor, I will not make poor people rich. I am not Robin Hood. I am not Mao. I am your friend, your brother Philip, and I want what is best for all of you, as a father wants what is best for his sons and daughters. No matter what will happen, no matter what my enemies will tell of me, it will not make a difference and it will not effect me. I hope soon to be giving a great speech once again, at my official inauguration as your governor. And then, that is only the beginning!

People of Sylvania, do you love me as I love you, trust me as I trust you? Do you want a strong leader who, at the same time, will be close to you, walking among you and talking to every single one of you from the dirty poor to the filthy rich? Would you like to have a governor who cares for you so much he would work day and night for your wellbeing and cares for you like no man or woman ever could? Do you wish for a governor who is one of you, and not a distant stranger from a political system and a government you do not understand? Do you want a leader who cares, or a leader who is careless? A leader who fights for you, or against you? If you do, my fellow Sylvanians, then vote for me. If any of you people have questions to ask you can visit my at my house in Sylvania. You are all more then welcome, comrades. I would answer every question you could ask me and you can ask me 24\7 because that is the type of man I am. I am here for you, the people of Sylvania, not because of politics or because of my reputation or even that of my party. The only thing that matters is the happiness and success of my friends. I want you to do well, set aside your political differences – instead of voting for me just because you would normally always vote for the party I am with, vote for me because you like me as a person and the ideas and ideals I have. Instead of voting for my opponent(s), vote for a man whose ancestors have started this nation and named its states, a man who loves his nation, its nature, its citizens and its states more then any man ever could.

I wish you a good day, dear listeners, and I promise you glorious times await the great state of Sylvania and all of her inhabitants! All the best,

BastardRoyale 07:43, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * You just keep going, don't you?  09:52, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Bennetts Rant (Bennett)
To the people of Sylvania, I praise this great state!, and I intend to keep it great for generations to come, while I'm no radical Communist or some Right-Winged nut job, I can get the job done, I'm run by no leash of a party, my leash is to the people of Sylvania! From Discovery Isle to Noble City, this land rings of freedom and joy! I've been very happy with the Kings guidance of our great state, I bring no new age or promised land, but if a problem was to arise I will seek out the source and give Sylvania a solution and fix the problem.I will slave day and night for the people of Sylvania to keep Sylvania as a great state. Please use the given rights you have, go out and vote!

Thank you all for listening, please have a wonderful day. --Perryz101 04:27, September 9, 2010 (UTC) / Zackary Daniel Bennett-Governor-Independent
 * This person is very promising! I hope you do good in the elections. Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:21, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

My standpoints of Seven (Pierlot)
Pierlot McCrooke 08:03, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Promtote tourizm to the Bird National Park. People need to see the wonderful nature.
 * Promoting technological industries to come in Seven. WE need a good economy.
 * Advicing congreess that seven should have more National Park. Seven ahs more nature.
 * Helping the inhabitants with problemms. We shoulds provide a giood service to inhabitants that have problems.
 * Helping the russian culture in Novsevesnk. WE really to hel;p this unique area of Lovia.
 * Amish kinley shoulld become a normal neighborhood of KInley.
 * Shouldn't we try to invest in a good general policy? You only give some little aspects JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  08:06, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Elections haven't even begun yet and people are already talking nonsense. May I remind you all that as a Governor of a state you will not be legally allowed to do the things you talk about? Governors' powers are limited by the law. Please check the Constitution to know more about it. 08:08, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I think a governor can only contribute to the general image and the overall course JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  08:10, September:9, 2010 (UTC)
 * We should ecxpand governros pweers. Pierlot McCrooke 08:13, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think we ought to go back into the past, Maybe a new state system might be preferable, that's true <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  08:15, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * States are only doabkle with hundreds of users (or fifties). In a scenario as this states aremt doable Pierlot McCrooke 08:18, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Look guys: towns and cities are often in a terrible state. I am convinced a governor could fill six months fixing te little things: streets, housing, names, roads. Really. Let's start doing that and Congress will take care of the big, national issues in the meantime. 08:20, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dimi is right! (and we are left :p), Let's just wait and see what congress gives us <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  08:36, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Long live CPL.nm! Olaf Engelund 10:48, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like a strong Federal Power but a very active limited State Level. THe only thing wrong with the state level is that it isn't active. Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:25, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, but let us wait to start over discussions 'till after the elections, by then governors can come together and discuss on the issue, and our text, Marcus, can use as a basis <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  22:04, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah non, si nous recommençons les négociations nous les recommençons du début. (sorry, Belgian joke) 06:56, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

People of Kings (Abrahams)
I come here with a message. I want to be your new Governor, either as a member of Walden, or an independent candidate. I want to bring change, protection and happiness to the people of Kings. Together, we can work to make Kings a better place for ourselves and for the generations to come.

Kings has long been seen as a "poor" state and one without much in it. I want to change that Image. Though Gov. Medvedev has done a lot, I think it is time for some real change to get the people of Lovia and the World to truly understand the greatness and wonderfulness of this state. Kings has so much to give to this country,but many people don't get that.

WE need to get people to understand the Cultural and Natural value of Kings, and if I am elected to congress, I will push to ensure Kings has its fair share of Natural wonders and Cultural recognitions. My proposals are:

1. Get congress to make the Abby Highlands and Kings' Peak a national park in Kings.(Kings Peak is the tallest mountain in Lovia, an it is not recognized or protected.) 2. Promote tourism to Kings and get people to visit; this can help economic growth.

3. Get congress to approve of the expansion of national monuments; Places like Queen Lucy Lighthouse and King Lucas Park should be protected.

I also want Kings to become the First Green State in Lovia, by taking initiatives in eco-friendly industry, by giving benefits to ecologically driven companies and by promoting the state's parks and natural wonders.

If elected governor, I will:

-Bring more economic activity to Kings: This can generate more state revenues, after which the money can be used to support the well-being of all citizens and residents of Kings.

- Create a transportation system in Newhaven and Kings: This will allow people to travel and commute more rapidly, will lessen traffic on roads nd will lessen peoples dependence on Cars.

-Create the first Recycling Pogram in all of Lovia: I want Kings to be a model for the whole country; a state CAN be green, and at the same time a modern and industrialized state.

-Promote Eco-Tourism: Many people in the world are really interested in Eco-Tourism, and I believe Kings can be an exponent of that in Lovia.

-Create a Welfare System: This will be of great benefit to the needy and the poor.

As Mother Teresa once said: God doesn't require us to succeed; he only requires that you try. Even though I may not win, at leas I have tried.

Yours Truly, Justin Abrahams 14:26, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Response: I love this guy, works hard and is really cool. He also rocks when it comes to politics ! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 19:42, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Campaign posters
&nbsp If you have heard my message, you will know to vote for me and Walden. It you want progress and advancement, then this is the way to go.

Sincerely, Justin Abrahams


 * Maybe you should make a sign saying "Justin is Just in!" Get it? Also please use the logo on the Walden Wald.jpg. Thnx, you've done alot. I should make a campaign poster for all Walden Members now. Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 19:58, September 10, 2010 (UTC);;

Go justin! You rock hope you win Kings! Commies won't know what's comming! Marcus Villanova Walden 14:38, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Another weekly/daily speech (Villanova)
Hello citizens of Clymene/Lovia!

Hello I am Marcus Villanova as you might know, The race hasn't even begun and yet it is so heated. I fell like I should address some issues between me and my opponent Mr.Szóhad. Mr. Szohad is a great oppenent, but has alot of different views from me. What he wants is for Lovia to be blocked off from the world including the US and other nations around the world. He is out of touch with the common public. I want the middle class to grow and make the best for Lovia, which isn't an empty promise. Walden and I want the best for Clymene, I want to be govenor not beacuse of the power or the fact it's a high role, I want it beacuse I will do the best for the state. Thank you from - Marcus Villanova Walden

Jon Johnson gives a starting speech
Hello Seven, this is Jon Johnson, you're candidate for the upcoming elections! I'm here to present the new CPL.nm poster! <font color=Navy>JON  THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  16:46, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whenever somone says Revolution I think of The beatles!!! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:35, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Save this nation from filthy hands (A.C.A.B.)
Resist, and never forgive. Don't let them ruin this nation. Punish them for electoral fraud in Seven and vote for a non-communist candidate. Thank you, Heinrich Webb (A.C.A.B.) 20:06, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Heinrich Webb i hope Bucu hasn't gone Fasict?! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 21:42, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Bucu: please polish your words before publishing them. This is a political campaign, not civil war. 06:52, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Say 'Yes'! (female governors)


An initiative by CPL.nm and Walden. Martha Van Ghent 09:39, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 'Yes' to Martha and Alyssa! 17:15, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * In Kings my vote is for Justin! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:08, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Official note of Y. Medvedev on behalf of the CPL.nm
''Recently the CPL.nm, one of the most active and engaged parties in Congress, has been confronted with serious accusations. We know we are controversial, all pioneers are. Luckily for us, Lovia is a progressive and democratic nation. We enjoy the support of a lot of people and work together with all kinds of parties. Nonetheless, the CPL.nm is being accused of election fraud and planning to overthrow democracy. If you ask me if we are a revolutionary party, I say yes. Yes we are, in our views and the way we think about politics and society, but never would we leave the righteous path. To all who accuse us without grounds: don't push it too far because we will retaliate through justice.''

''To the A.C.A.B. in particular I would like to say the following: It is easy to blame us but where is the evidence? If we violated the law then why didn't you sue us? If you can't provide the proof then we would like to see a public apology, even if we have to enforce it. With kind regards,'' 10:17, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * As a Waldener, I care about our partners -- socialists and liberals. I propose that ACAB changes its mood and gets friendlier and more political / less personal and offensive. we ourselves determine the political climate! 17:16, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also the Conservative Christian Party of Lovia expresses its concerns about the current situation. As Christians, we believe that everybody has the right to have and express an own opinion as long as it doesn't go too far and that's why we're not going to demonstrate against the CPL.nm and the ACAB. At the moment it's just a waste of time. Let's work together to make something of Lovia instead of fighting with each other. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:31, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * that Walden likes! well said owtb! 17:32, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * It makes me sad to see Bucu, who is niice, and apart of a so called spawn of the LD called Liberal Union, not be liberal. Sad but it seems the LU likes america. Screw that I hate america! Every town is a fucking ghetto, crime, fat people! If we did have liberals and progressives in america it would be a better country. Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:13, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the moral support, Christian honesty and fuck-America remarks guys. It really means a lot to me that the efforts of CPL.nm members are appreciated. 05:52, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Transportation For Kings (Abrahams)
People of Kings, This is Justin Abrahams. I come to talk to you about transportation. Kings currently has ONE rail line,and no public transportation. I want to change that. If I am elected governor, I plan to establish a Public Transit Authority, first in Newhaven and then in Portland. Public buses and Subways will form a part of this.

I would also like to extend the current Kings State Line and include a stop in Newhaven International Airport.

I would also like to establish an express line between Newhaven, Beaverwick and Portland.

Thank you for your time, Justin Abrahams
 * Very good! I hope you win! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:13, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish you good luck too. May I, however, remind you all of the limited powers of the Governorship? You will not be entitled to actively create government agencies and companies. What you can do as a Gov, is push Congress to do it and assist/advice Congress in doing it. Check the Constitution for more on this. 20:23, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, usally when candidates run for office they imply somthing while promising somthing extreme like "I'll pass a law giving everyone money" meanwhile it's really some complex tax thingy. But I have faith in Justin he's a hard worker and I think he'll advocate for it. The commies should start capmaigning! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:26, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have confidence too. Advocating for those kind of things is the first part of the good work!  20:28, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * true dat. Agreed. I think he'll get alot of support from voters not from the CLP.nm. He's like Ralph Nader! ! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:33, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * We'll soon find out, won't we  20:35, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep Ralph I mean Justin will win! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:38, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't we have roads enough? I read an plan from andy, where all roads are done Olaf Engelund 14:43, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not about roads Horton11 15:08, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

There are three railways in Kings. One from Beaverwick to Portland via Newhaven, one in Newhaven (roundabout), and one from Newhaven to Noble City. Read more carefully. SjorskingmaWikistad 15:20, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

My goals and plans with Sylvania (Bradly-Lashawn)
I deeply respect my opponents in the upcoming state elections and I do not see them as my enemy, unlike certain other people. I respect each and every one of them, see them as worthy adversaries and hard-to-win-from rivals. Despite this, I am convinced that Bradly-Lashawn and the CPL.nm is the best choice for governor and I will say why:


 * As your governor I will improve our economy and set up projects to realise growth, but I will do so within the boundaries of my now limited power as governor.


 * As your governor I will make sure every Sylvanian has a fair and honest chance to get a proper education and I will set up state-funded initiatives to make sure students from a poor background will still be able to go to college or to university, for example by lending them money against a very low rent.


 * As your governor I will set up projects to make sure mentally and physically handicapped people, people in wheelchairs and people who have been unemployed for a long period of time, will be stimulated to start working again and for bosses to accept them. I will make sure they can get a proper job, within their limitations.


 * As your governor I will fight crime and corruption in Lovia, urge witnesses to testify and if necessary, I will set up a witness protection program to protect these witnesses. I will deal a final deathblow to crime and corruption in my state and if proven successful, I will set up a nationwide program together with fellow governors to bring down all crime and corruption altogether.


 * As your governor I will take care of our precious Sylvanian natural landscape and I will protect it against new buildings and highways trying to ruin our beautiful nature (or what is left of it). I will not allow trees to be taken down for the sake of a new road or railway and I will stimulate Sylvanians to ride the buss more often and cycle to work so that we will not strain our environment to much.


 * As your governor I will set up projects to rehabilitate prisoners and people from mental institutions who have been recently released into society in a way that we can still monitor their behaviour, but at the same time put them to work and allow them to be a part of the society they were taken away from once again. The work they get to do will be appropriate considering their past; a car thief will not get work at a car dealer unsupervised and neither will a convicted paedophile ever work with children again.


 * As your governor I will set up projects to improve our educational system and I will fight illiteracy by making illiteracy an open subject for which people do not have to be ashamed, so that they can come forward and be able to do courses and learn how to read and write. You would be surprised at how many people are illiterate an too proud or too ashamed to tell anyone.


 * As your governor I would make sure people from other states within Lovia and from outside of Lovia itself will be better integrated into Lovian society by offering foreigners lessons in our nations (and our states) history, culture and dialects. This possibility will also be offered to, for example, Hurbanovans who only speak in their native tongue or dialect and may find difficulties understanding a Sylvanian neighbour or co-worker.

These are the points that are perhaps most important to me and are on my program. I want to realise overall equality for everyone and I want to improve and stimulate the education and participation on the job market of everybody who may otherwise find difficulties with their search for a job or to find social acceptance.

Pity the man who has the hardest job of all men and women in this state: the governor of an already great state who tries to make it even better!

Now vote for me, brothers and sisters, and I will make it happen!

Yours sincerely,

BastardRoyale 12:17, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Totally support this! Go CPL.nm Olaf Engelund 14:44, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds OK for the biggest part, though I'm concerned that some of your ideas are not really at state level. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:49, September 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well they are on state level. I only said that once I succeed in my goals, I will seek other states to cooperate with on a nation wide scale to resolve the issues the same way I resolve them in Sylvania. If my crime fighting method, for example, cathes on and is succesful, then why not talk to other governors and ask them to consider working together to tackle these problems? Together you stand stronger, BastardRoyale 13:11, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mm.. That ain't a bad idea. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:53, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

I am glad you like my ideas and hopefully you and many others with you see no further objections not to vote for me as governor of the great state of Sylvania. I have high hopes and dreams for the future and I am a truly ambitious man driven by a higher goal. It would be a shame if all these ideas would be worthless, would it not? Can I count on your vote, Mr. Ilava? Yours truly, BastardRoyale 12:51, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you're practically the only one I can vote for in Sylvania. Dimitri is going for deputy, Zackary Daniel Bennett is practically inactive and the other one is a woman. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:22, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, your support much appreciated, in fact any support at this stage is crucial. Any questions or critical notes concerning my viewpoints expressed in above speech? BastardRoyale 13:35, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * No :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:39, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Pierlotian comment
People want to do much. We should therefor expamd governor power Pierlot McCrooke 05:28, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, we should regulate it, I and marcus are working on it <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  14:37, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * yep, just wait! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 19:41, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not much reactions. Guess I should have made some fancy little posters or something or should have mentioned building roads instead of pointing at things that actually matter in life... BastardRoyale 16:49, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't get mad over it, most people just read it but don't comment. I always comment back some people for some reason don't. Marcus Villanova 16:51, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I won't. Back on topic: do you yourself like the speech? BastardRoyale 13:05, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

"Electoral fraud" (Breyev)
Dear citizens of Lovia,

I'd like to apologise for comments I made earlier about the Communist Party.

While I still can't approve of the movement of members of the CPL into Seven, I feel stating that it 'could be seen as electoral fraud' was not a constructive statement.

I would also like to distance myself from the protest group A.C.A.B, which I think Mr Webb founded partly due to the comments I made earlier. Although I have no objection to anti-communist protest, A.C.A.B has gone about it in a provocative manner which is unlikely to win many friends.

Signed, Semyon E. Breyev 19:26, September 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nah it's okay, we've all made mistakes or comments we'd love to take back ! Marcus Villanova Walden [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 19:46, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * At least you have the balls to admit you are wrong. Plenty people don't. BastardRoyale 16:42, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * True dat. Marcus Villanova 16:52, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fine man, I hope protests can go smoother in the future. I have no problem with anyone disliking the CPL but arguments should always stay polite and constructive. 07:20, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * True dat... again! Marcus Villanova 20:49, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Vote for Walden (Villanova)
Hello citizens of Lovia! It has been great latley and we need to continue this, Walden are progressives! Center-leftest that care for middle class families and everyone in Lovia. I Marcus, Martha, Peirlot, Andy, Justin care all about Lovia and will improve the style to first in the world! Walden has Backed State reform one of the most important bills and helped pass it. We know that the middle class need a break in tough times, The conservatives commies and Modern Liberals can't do that! We are for the advancement in Lovia, let's not return to the bad system in Lovia, Thank you from Marcus Villanova and Walden! Marcus Villanova 21:52, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good! 07:54, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Liberals for Oceana
In almost every state walden or the communists are in pole position for the state elections. Those two parties have done a lot to protect the environment and fight poverty but they are also imposing more and more regulation. The Liberal Union cares for personal liberties and a stable economy which is as free as desirable. We only run for one state, Oceana and hope to stop a total victory of the left. To defend pluralism we need you to vote liberal in the Oceana state elections! Harold Freeman 08:31, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why shouldn't Conservative Christians be in Oceana then? They are also only running in Oceana and have a lot more experience in governing Oceana and cultural similarities with the local inhabitants. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:52, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Freeman a dark horse? Marcus Villanova 19:41, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any group that feels endangered gets more radical. That counts for religions but also for politics. A campaign 'against' the left is an obvious choice for a liberal party.  06:08, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that at the moment the liberals are a bigger thread to the conservative christians than the communists :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:25, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you mean the communists don't run in Oceana you're right but our two programs are not at all compatible.  08:59, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I don't wanna lose my Oceana :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:36, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Beloved Sylvanians!
Sylvanians! I have been on the road for several weeks now campaigning in Sylvania and abroad! The CPL.nm, the largest socialist party of the entire nation, has my back and its numerous members, several of whom members from our congress, support me as one. I have spoken much the last few weeks. I have held three major speeches so far, including a smaller one. I have dedicated most of my time and efforts on my bid as governor for Sylvania. I have made clear what my opinions are. I have told about the great and ambitious plans I have, and about how I intend to realise these plans. And now, my dear Sylvanians, I have made my candidacy official. You know my plans. You know my goals. You know my dreams. You know my hopes. And you know me, as I know you, and I am one of you. I do not stand above the people, I am the people, I am a Sylvanian, as are you, and we are all brothers and sisters. You want your children to do well, to ensure they are properly educated and have a good chance in life, you want them to make something of their lives. So do I. You know my viewpoints. The time for talking and debating is now over. What more is there to be said? On October 4th, 2010 the elections start, and you will vote for me. And when I will be inaugurated October 20th, I know who I will be thanking. Sylvanians, I love you! BastardRoyale 14:21, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it would sound a lot better with a campaign poster next to it. What do you say? 15:09, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * cool i'm loved by BR ! Marcus Villanova 19:42, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comrade Medvedev, that sounds like a wonderful idea! Knowing your considerable skill when it comes to making posters, would you be able to make one for me? I have no special request; just make it red and use your imagination! 12:48, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: Comrade Marcus, I do love you, as long as you understand its purely platonic! Does it win me a vote from my American brother from another mother? BastardRoyale 12:48, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your brother from another mother? Could that be a movie reference? PS: I'm on the poster-thingy!  15:18, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * IT IS :p <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  15:24, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Brother from another mother..lol I always here that but it cracks me up. Marcus Villanova 20:08, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it, Marcus, I was talking like a hiphop-gangsta just for you! ! And I am dying to find out how the poster will look like; suprise me, comrade Medvedev!  BastardRoyale 10:55, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was gonna post a campaign poster but my computer crashed and is lost forever! Nah jk I was gonna wait to post it on the 20th but I luckly posted it on Nova Times! Marcus Villanova 13:12, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Don't know you to vote for? Need a Map?
Oceana - Vote McCandless he will keep the parks alive in Oceana and thrive the state!

Sylvania - Vote van ghent she'll help tourism and have epic reform for the state that will really help us all

Kings - Vote Abrahams he will definetly work hard! He is right for Kings and will protect the state.

Seven - Vote McCrooke he is a valued member and will definitly proctect the mellonlands and help kinley!

Clymene - Vote Villanova he is for Plains and will help the middle class thrive and help small bis!

So everyone vote Walden! Marcus Villanova 13:18, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your enthusiasm is great! <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  15:56, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes but I am very sad that Islands Wiki is overrun by Nazis and Christian Freaks! Marcus Villanova 17:01, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry brother I voted against the proposal to dispose Adams as our PM, so nobody will overun the site or the parliament. I am still with the coalition but and agree with it on most things but I don't like the way things are heading in my absence. Have a good time and keep a watchful eye, BastardRoyale 12:18, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do! Vote Walden! Marcus Villanova 19:41, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

This is NOT what Lovia is about
Recently, I have witnessed lots of animosity between parties, notably ACAB and CPL.nm. Thes very actions could well lead to fighting and violence. This is NOT what Lovia is about! Lovia is about peace, friendship and Understanding. Though parties have different ideals, they should accept them and not fight over it. Our first king, Arthur Noble, would be shocked at this political violence. He did not work so very hard to see an independent Lovia, only to have it disunified and filled with hate and anger aimed at parties and people. Lovia needs is a party to Restore peace and democracy and defend the values of King Arthur. Lovia needs a party to protect nature and to bring economic growth. Lovia needs Walden, and Walden needs Lovia. Together, Lovia can truly advance and the greatest things can be achieved. It will be Lovia's finest hour when Waldeners are elected, and I am sure my fellow waldeners are up to the task of Building a Better Lovia. This is what we are about!

Horton11 01:46, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like to stress the fact that the CPL.nm did not make use of any kind of violence in our little dispute with ACAB. We simply explained our regrets and asked for apologies, like decent people are ought to do. 06:59, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * True yuir it never happened! It was a heated debate nothing more. Marcus Villanova 14:43, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

The ACAB was never meant to be a serious party, its sole purpose is to cause a shock effect. The CPL.nm reacted dignified and respectful and we never lost our cool. BastardRoyale 09:51, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd use the 'Fonzie-quote' quote here but some users are sick of listening to my Pulp Fiction references so I will keep it at this meta-remark.  14:06, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Andy McCandless in Oceana
Hi!

In their latest speech, the Liberals - with whom Walden has a fair and reasonable understanding - noted that we from Walden and our government partners CPL.nm have - I quote - "done a lot to protect the environment and fight poverty." And I think we did. Especially Yuri Medvedev has done a special effort on social law and security, providing a good network of services and laws that protect those who need it from the evils of the market and society.

The Liberals, however, also found that we are "imposing more and more regulation." As you know, Walden stands for Simplication! Our point of view is to bar useless legal regulation from passing, and to support good, efficient and constructive bills. And we did. More than any other party, Walden has been an active force in government and Congress. And in being active, we always kept an eye on efficiency and necessity. All bills passed, supported by Walden, have expanded the law, but not the legal complexity. And expanding the law only and solely meant: expanding services from the people to the people.

As a Waldener candidate in Oceana, the state most closely tied to Nature and a natural way of living, I will represent exactly those Oceanans, those who love their natural beauty, who appreciate living in peace and quiet in a nice environment, and those in need of a social network based on good community efforts. A Governor can't do all of that directly - but by pushing for the required reform in Congress, we can achieve A LOT; Walden being the greatest party in Congress.

Please consider voting for me, Andy McCandless, in Oceana. As an East Hiller, I care about Oceana, its people and its natural beauty.

06:52, September 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Andy defenitly gets my vote! I hope your elected! Marcus Villanova 19:16, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Freedom
I have many things to tell you, and I hope you will take time to read all my words and especially the closing party of my speech, the final section. I speak these words right from the heart, never knew I even had one, frankly.

In our nation there is no freedom of speech. In our nation there is not true democracy. In our nation, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, in our nation… there is a fascist regime deciding what we, the subjects of our Ruler by the Grace of the Lord, Dimitri the First, should do. A regime that decides, for us, as if we have no voice and no ambitions of our own, what we should do and how we should live our lives. A regime, fellow Lovians, that carefully watches us all, and judges our every move, and our every word we speak. A regime, that takes away the citizen rights of the people that do not live as they want us to live. Of the people who have an opinion different from theirs, and dare to speak out and come forward as such. A regime, even, that goes so far they actually force people to go into exile and even close down political parties which share an ideology the government disagrees with. Freedom of speech and political freedom, thus, clearly does not exist in our nation, even though our government loves to present itself as liberal and democratic. The truth is an entirely different story, as we all know. Would truly democratic people close down political parties? Would they trial people just because they disagree with their personal opinion and their political and social message? No, the answer is no, a truly democratic government would never do such a thing! This country took away the citizenship of this poor, unfortunate speaker, and this nation forbids this speaker, dear audience, to run for a public office, to speak out in public, to participate in politics, and to be a member of a party he chooses to be a member of, because the party I am referring to no longer exists. Let me make myself clear by comparing our nation to a nation many of us admire, the United States of America, dear listeners, is the nation I am referring to. Our nation, for example, does not know the true meaning of the word freedom, and our nation does not know what it is like to fight for that freedom. Perhaps that is because our nation has never been ruled by another nation as a colony and does not have a constitution written by founding father who were willing to fight and die for that freedom they now cherish so much. Unlike the United States of America, people, our nation is weak, and our nation is not at all tolerant. It is rotten and perverted, filled with sodomites, communists and corrupt politicians, atheists and other people blinded by their narrow vision of what their ideal world should look like, at all costs. It sickens me, as I hope it sickens you, that your beloved nation is like a modern day Sodom and Gomorra. I have been called a fascist and a Nazi before, and I must admit my viewpoints obviously would lead anyone to believe I was one. However, I am not a real Nazi nor could I ever be one. How could I admire a man who was responsible for millions of white people dying and millions of families to break apart. How could I admire a man who could not except defeat, who killed his own, brilliant generals and who wanted his nation to go down with him? I may have ideas similar to those of fascism but I am also a realist. I know a fascist system like the one I have in mind would not work in a nation such as Lovia nor in any of its states. A more subtle form of a fascist regime in which only state approved political parties are allowed to participate in politics, that does work. Because that is the regime that currently rules this nation and has done so ever since the late 19th century.

Despite all this you still have the nerve to call your nation a democracy, poor ignorant souls, and be proud of it, is this hypocrisy not unspeakably arrogant? You, Lovians, are all loyal and beloved subjects to a monster disguised as a man of flesh and blood, and the regime that rules this nation is one filled with puppets no better then fascists. These puppets our played with by the master puppeteer himself, your King, and his PM. So now finally, you must realise we are all on the same level. In fact we have been ever since I came to these lands and even years prior to my arrival. I wish to become the governor of Clymene and participate in the State Elections that are soon to be held. However I am not allowed to do so. Tell me, is this the way a nation fond of comparing itself to the United States should treat its (former) citizens? Is this the way you would like to be treated if your own personal opinion differs from that of our government?

We are all on the same level. You are no better then me, you just never realised it. Let us now please discuss these issues as the civilised men and women I know some of you to be. From now on I will act civilised and graceful and no longer will I insult people by shouting racial slurs at them or insult anyone in this ignorant and childish way. To all people I have insulted during my stay here, I cal honestly say I regret insulting you rather then debating and conversing with you the way civilised people are expected. I am a civilised man, I just haven’t been acting like one lately. I have acted like a, as they say in South-Africa, “aap”, a monkey, a baboon, an ape. I was King Kong, shouting at King Dimitri.

Let me participate in the upcoming State Elections and try my luck. Maybe after all, I could be of some use to this site. Vir ewig joune, Oom Hessel van Suid-Afrika, Drabo13 09:35, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why not. Marcus Villanova 19:34, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sound people know that democracy has one serious handicap: it is capable of destroying itself without violating its own logic, an inherent quality of the democratic principle. That is why we try to balance democracy/liberty by justice/equality in Lovia. You can think as you like but personal insult and evoking hatred should not be mistaken for freedom of speech. This is typical rightist discourse: defending the freedom of speech you seek to abolish. 13:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agrred..i guess Marcus Villanova 23:21, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Why vote for Oos Wes Ilava in Oceana?
This question could be answered very easily. You might disagree with my ideology and Christian morals and values, these hardly play any role when governing a state. Governing a state is all about knowing the facts of the state and having collaborated in building up and keeping clean the state. In my opinion I'm the only candidate who really has done something for the state. Take a look at the history of the page of Oceana f.e.: - mister McCandless and mister Freeman haven't even edited the page a single time. They are only interested in Oceana for the title "governor", not for doing work there. The speech of mister McCandless, above, doesn't say anything about Oceana in particular (except for that there is a natural environment, but we all know that and also the CCPL is interested in keeping it natural). Hurbanova, the capital of Oceana, has been brought to a top-level article by me and recently a lot of things have changed. For example the neighborhood Drake Town, where a lot of residential places have been built over to shops etc, while in the mall there is still space left. I will revert this and will then handle both the shortage of houses in Hurbanova (we're getting full!) and also the emptiness of the Drake Town Mall.

Vote for action and people really interested in Oceana, not for a someone only searching for a title and power. Vote Oos Wes Ilava. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:17, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * me likes christ too ! VuniMonki

Voting day is coming up
Election day is coming up, and you might be saying " I don't know who to vote for?". Well, if this is the case, the answer is very simple: VOTE FOR WALDEN! Walden is all about progress, change, protection of nature and the economy. Walden is a clear choice. Walden is the party that can Make Things Simpler! We will simplify, simplify and make life better for YOU.

Hey you, YES you! Still Confused? We don't want you to stay at home and not vote. WE WANT YOU TO :



The choice is clear, and the choice is yours! But if you want my opinion, VOTE FOR WALDEN!



Horton11 17:13, October 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Vote for Walden or else Droid Clones will attack you? Or is it if you do vote for walden you'll get shot??! Marcus Villanova 17:25, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * no, i just thought the picture was funny! Horton11 17:32, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was! ! Marcus Villanova 17:32, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's you're <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  18:45, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, glad to see Johnson's got it right!  20:43, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like this VuniMonki
 * Johnson can take my english tests for me! Find the pronoun, Predicate, Simple subject, simple Subject, Subject, Nouns, Define the modifiers, Verbs and adverbs. I hate Language Arts and crap...Def my worst subject!! Marcus Villanova 23:49, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Johnson can take my english tests for me! Find the pronoun, Predicate, Simple subject, simple Subject, Subject, Nouns, Define the modifiers, Verbs and adverbs. I hate Language Arts and crap...Def my worst subject!! Marcus Villanova 23:49, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Why consider a vote for Semyon Breyev in Seven?

 * Dear citizens of Seven (and other Lovians),

''Lovia is flourishing. Our population is booming, as is our economy; continuous immigration ensures that our country is kept alive and well.''

''It seems to me though, that this progress is passing Seven by. Let me give you a few examples. We have the lowest population of any state. Our economy is struggling (the main industry is meant to be tourism, but I challenge you to name any business involved in tourism in Seven). I even discovered the other day that we have the highest prevalence of HIV/AIDS in Lovia. (source) Sadly, it seems Seven has become the 'fifth state'.''

''I want this to change, and that is why I am standing for the position of governor in the Seven State Elections. I love this state, and I know its people deserve better. I know that governors' powers have recently been greatly reduced, but there is still much I can do to help Seven.''

''For example, we need to build more. Kinley is the only place in Lovia where it is impossible to buy a building; they have all been sold. Kinley has more citizens than Sofasi, yet Sofasi has three neighborhoods; Kinley has only one. I have experience in this area; I was the chairman of Novosevensk until the post was abolished, and raised its population from nothing to almost 950 residents.''

''Also, I would like to create a State Council. Although such a body would have no formal political power, as Lovian law does not foresee such a thing, it could still have a useful role in advising Congress in matters relating to Seven, as well as carrying out any decisions Congress makes with regard to Seven.''

''I would like you to at least consider voting for me. But whoever is elected in the end, I know that Seven will have a good governor who will do the best for their state.''

Yours truly,

Semyon Breyev. 10:42, October 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I consider it. I would but I don't live there. I probaly would vote for you it seems like a good vote. Marcus Villanova 16:38, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

LASUPAC
Join LASUPAC it's for the welfare of all people and not some fat cats from wall street! Marcus Villanova 17:14, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The posters suggests dislike of capitalism. So use your head and join the CPL.nm, or even better, the Christians! Dr. Magnus 17:20, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * No why would I do that? I Love Wladen, and it's against capitalism and taxes the rich also with it's great social views. Marcus Villanova 17:25, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem that way. You guys keep mentioning the Middle Classes, but what about the Higher and Lower Classes? And what about religion and culture, its hardly ever mentioned. CCPL needs you. Dr. Magnus 17:51, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Heck no. We don't need to preach about our social values. Read them on Walden if you must. I guess were campgaining with our economic views! Marcus Villanova 17:58, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem lies with the middle classes who are seduced by 'the big fish'. After WWII the middle classes have been detached from the ones at the bottom of society. What rises is a system based on consumption induced by fear, fear that keeps the economy alive and makes the rich people richer. Numbers clearly show that the gap between rich and poor is still growing (both domestic and international)! 07:18, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yuri, everybody knows that. But taking away possessions of people (rich people are also people!) would be contradictive to the right of having one's own property. A progressive tax system is all we can offer. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:17, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I wasn't calling for collectivization. Progressive taxation and some government interference in the economy is alright for me. It is just that the guys from Citibank actually had a nota distributed in which they call the democratic principles dangerous to their wealth. How sick can a bastard be? (the full memo is available here, read and shiver) 08:37, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't know that.. That's why I'm not a full liberal I guess. I keep Christian values like naastenliefde, harmonie, but also vrijheid, gelijkheid (yes, if you read the bible closely these things are also mentioned!) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:08, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I read the bible more carefully then most Christians. I kinda had the impression that for every harmonious sentence I could find three about rape, murder or genocide. 09:13, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the Bible is there to teach us how to live. Rape, murder and genocide occur sadly and the Bible tells us about them so we can learn that we cannot do and tolerate such things. Mankind is easily distracted to evil by the devil, but if you live in a good way (Christian or not) you can resist his temptations. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:26, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually I was referring to the passages where JHWH tells the Israelites to brutally murder woman and children. In this light I don't have to resist 'his temptation' but rather 'His encouragement'. 09:52, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well yeah, God knows what's best, so probably they had to go because they were dangerous. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:09, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never doubted that.  10:13, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahaha :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 10:18, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The bible actually says (and I'm paraphraseing)"Stone the one who doesn't belive" the Koran says nothing of the sort. Back on topic: Capitalists all belivie in a plutonomy so don't be fooled! Tax the rich not the poor. Marcus Villanova 16:56, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah yuri like most people i learned of it from Micheal's Moore movie got curious and read it online. It's truly a stupid thing and the movie really doesn't cover the fact that it is pure evil. Marcus Villanova 17:00, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * You ain't reading the same Bible as me :P Can't say a thing of the Qur'an 'cause I never read it. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:17, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Marcus, that's complete nonsense. I'm not denying there are some parts of the Bible which are 'questionable' but that's not in the Bible. (about the Koran: How about 'fight and slay the infidels wherever you find them'?) --Semyon 15:10, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually Semyon Muhamad was talking about his town. During the last parts of his life his town was under attack so he called on all of people from his town to wage war. now a days radical Muslims have been brainwashed by books that were written by even more brainwashed muslims into beliving stupid things. I know many people from the Islamic faith and they have no plan on boming my house but are very peace like people! Marcus Villanova 16:15, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * @attendees of biblical classes: the bible is the publication with most violence and crime ever. Not to 'show examples' or any of that nonsense, but plain genocide on non-believers. @fans of mister Moore: I guess he is more into the 'personal suffering argument' than pages full of politics. 07:31, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * My favoirte line from Capitalism is where the guy is dying and comes to Jesus and aSKS "God I have been sick all my life please save me!' then jesus's voice dubbed in and he says 'It is a pre-existing condition. he will have to pay out of pocket!' lol Marcus Villanova 22:31, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Un Oshenna boy - Natsionalisma an that Oslobodenia o'that Narod! Unitovat an we bud' see coin Lovish crew

 * Oshenna, sloboda priatels! Sloboda! Dr. Magnus 19:39, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Bude sloboda, boy fo'that narod! Bucu 19:41, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Slay peepel efrayd, priatels! Sloboda! Dr. Magnus 19:43, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * We bude klár fo'that oslobodenia boys! Na sorrows, priatels, oshine harven, oshine sacker narod, bude slobodni. Natsionalisma, natsionalisma! Bucu 19:49, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lovish crew, coin Lovish crew. That compads bude murdereth! Bucu 19:50, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, if I see vikings using Paint-like technology to color flags black I'm scared. It is worse enough that Europe knows a nationalist revival. 07:33, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Vikings, ragnarok is upon us! VuniMonki 08:57, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Lovish compads hovorite coin, ale thoshine slofs ar prasten. Un natsionalistiski Oshenna, jidden for ewshet, ewshetkow fo' jidden. Pokojni bude in oshine spaviteth letislove o'Hurbanoft an Oshenna! Bucu 14:15, October 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Lions, Angry young boys and Viking will come for us...all kidding aside I think Walden Could stike up a deal. Marcus Villanova 22:34, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I only just noticed you guys also started a campaign against Sylvania? This is why Walden should win, because otherwise we will have an imperialist Greater-Oceana for neighbor. 05:40, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nationalism is so old skool. 11:01, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Yuri - could alway change vote to Andy!
 * @Dimi - Very
 * @All - I think it will start a civil war...again Marcus Villanova 20:17, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it won't marcus, keep it calm, they have the right to ask people to vote for them, we have a secure democratic system that will stop separatism when it's getting to serious, i just don't think we have to be repressive in all our actions <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  21:15, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course it won't cause war. It just feels threatening, and that's not nice. We don't NEED harsh nationalist propaganda. National or regional pride could be green, progressive and friendly too Martha Van Ghent 07:45, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * It are nice posters though! Olaf Engelund 10:23, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Progressive Lovia: Vote McCandless!
Dear fellow Lovians!

Lovia has chosen progressivism over traditionalism and the politics of the past. Our progressive partners do amazingly well in Seven and Kings. Votes for Waldeners and socialists combined are surprisingly high! In Clymene, the great Marcus Villanova is sweeping the state clean! In Sylvania, my great partner Martha Van Ghent is likely to become our only and first female Governor. Together, progressives could make Lovia shine again, as a thriving, social, green nation.

Oceana, however, could become a dark spot on this enlightened map of Lovia. The conservatives, led by Ilava, have a traditional advantage in this state, and they have done great things in the past. We acknowledge their importance, and Ilava's personal qualities. The party and its partners have however shown how obscure their policies are. The nationalist movement is a dark one, full of dogma and Christian conservativism.

I, as a Waldener and progressive, would give Oceana entirely new opportunities! We could make Oceana a state known for its beautiful natural scenery, for its folk traditions and ancient culture, for its openness and will to be green and kind. Away with obscure regionalism, in with open pride and love for its beauty!

Please consider voting for Andy McCandless in Oceana. The Oceana people need your vote. With McCandless as our Governor, we will flourish again!

Thank you!

11:39, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * That sure is a nice speech brother! Not true, however. What ths Oceana people need, and want, is Oos Wes Ilava. It's the immigrants that vote for you, the natives support the only true, ethnic Oceana candidate. One day the monarchy will end and in the coming three years, the next governor has to prepare his people for the modern age. Someone who does not know these people will be unable to do so. Only one man is up to the task; Ilava. You would make a fine deputy I am sure. But for this state, no, nothing more. Dr. Magnus 12:16, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that he is a fine Oceanan. The idea however that ethnicity has anything to do with this, is clearly terribly old-fashioned. Preparing Oceana and Lovia for a greener, modern age - is Walden. 12:27, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not doubt your good intentions; I believe you to be an honest and sincere politician. I do, however, doubt that your very modern views will be easily accepted by the conservative and old-fashioned native Oceana-population. What I have heard is that Ilava used to be a governor of Oceana, but after a highly controversial trial he was relieved from his duties. He'll now do whatever it takes to win. I fear that if he would lose, things could escalate and the situation could easily get out of hand. Dr. Magnus 14:09, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * If that's true, I have reason to doubt his capacities and rational mind. 14:45, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * He would not be responsible for any of the riots or uprisings among the Oceana people. He could, however, prevent them from happening but only as a governor, for otherwise he would lack the authority to intervene. He's a leader, not a follower. I doubt he could be of much service to Oceana as a deputy, but we'll see how it goes. Dr. Magnus 14:55, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * A terribly strange theory. You are (indirectly, of course) threatening that his non-election would cause serious problems, which would (DUH) not be his responsibility, and that only could solve them as a Governor. Did you not know that Governors have no authority whatsoever over the police? For fuck's sake, read the law if you get into politics... 15:02, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Reminds me of Nativists. "I Know Nothing!" ! Marcus Villanova 15:38, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, indeed. 08:08, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

DEARS
Dear cpl'lers we have overcome! We've done better than expected, let's celebrate tonight (together with walden of course) Congratulation Walden! <font color=Navy>JON  THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  14:42, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulation to both parties, as well as to the CCPL, that managed to certify two Deputy Governors! 14:44, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Party at the Walden Home! Speeches and beer! Hopefully no Mel Gibson!Marcus Villanova 20:47, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Why don't you invite Mel? He'll come dressed like a Scotsman with a kilt and a bluepainted face, it'll be awesome fun! Dr. Magnus 20:55, October 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * And then scream "MY BITCH WIFE TOOK MY BASKETBALL TICKETS FUCKKKKKKKKK (N-Word) (N-word) SCREW YOU ALL!" He ain't invited. Marcus Villanova 21:00, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Guess she shouldn't have taken those basketball tickets! Dr. Magnus 21:13, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

After the elections...
Dear comrades,

''First of all let me say I am very proud of everyone who competed for us in the State Elections. We managed to secure two states and even have two deputies. BastardRoyale did great in Sylvania, forcing the King to retreat, and Ferenc defended our ideals in Clymene. Of course I can't continue without mentioning the electoral revelation of the past voting; Jon Johnson who scored a fabulous 64 percent in Seven. Perhaps even more important is that in all states progressive candidates have won. I am confident the red-green axis for progression will be maintained like before.''

''Now that the elections are over, a task awaits us. Like Bucu explained when voting against me in Kings: change is needed here too. He was right and we of the CPL.nm must be a leading party in bringing about that very change. We are a party of the people, a party of the future. Emancipation is our goal and education our instrument. Jon and myself will have to fulfill the task of governor within the light of this mission. But don't be misguided, our deputies await an even harder task. They are the spokesman of the people with the governor, a source of democratic control.''

''Nearing the end of this speech I would like to express my support to those who didn't win. I thank Alyssa for retreating in order to support my candidacy and I invite the Liberals, the King and especially those with nationalist sentiment toward Oceana to keep on working in a constructive way. The governor might be steering the boat but the direction always depends on the waves of the sea.''

A warm thank you to all who voted CPL.nm,

06:17, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * A most lovely speech, call me once my friend, I have an idea <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  07:44, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * The liberals have failed again. We have to draw or conclusions or drown. Thank you for the supporting words yuri. Harold Freeman 09:28, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, friend. You're always welcome with the commies (really serious) 09:32, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not think so my friend. Just read my statement and you will understand. Harold Freeman 09:37, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Epic fail
I know the Christian party is upset but we have more reason to be so: the liberal story is not welcome in Lovia. Citizens are either progressive or conservative. If me and Percival are the most liberal guys in town I can not help but call that potetic. We are no idealists but just friendly democrats that want to find a balance. Ideology is not our thing we are for living politics and diversity. I do not know what to do I am clueless. Your friend Harold Freeman 09:37, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Only progressives are welcome friend :P I gave up my liberal feelings about a year ago, 'cause I saw they didn't have any chance. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:39, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I feel for you. The progressive-communist powerfront overwhelmed us all. Godspeed, Dr. Magnus 09:40, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not only didn't you get much votes, people also don't worry about the liberals. Everyone is comforting OWTB and no-one looks after the biggest losers. Maybe you should adapt your program and put a focus on diversity, pluralism and local culture. A philosophical instead of political party?  09:42, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I said: I am clueless. We have tried democrats, a front with conservatives, progressive liberalism. What do the voters really want? Green politics? Socialism and nationalism? I am none of those. @all: thank you for the compassion @yuri: what would that be? Marx is an ideologist too. Harold Freeman 09:45, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * The liberals were completely forgotton. Maybe because you weren't very active as a user, Freeman, and have not campaigned as hard as some others. And even if you would have, you are at the mercy of the voters. They decide who gets elected, as a candidate your power is nihil. Winning is for a very large part based on how lucky you are. You were unlucky. May God bless you, and better luck next time. Dr. Magnus 09:47, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the polarization of the climate in general made it difficult for a centrist party to score well. I voted for you at first. Maybe take a look at Kierkegaard; I used to fancy his thought once - he's the number one relativist though he wouldn't approve of the term. Try to get inspired by his ideas, as a modern liberal that shouldn't be too hard. You can make a democratic, freedom-loving party. 09:53, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unlucky or bad atmosphere, change is needed for the liberals. We are a boring and dull party. I will check that guy out yuri, I never heard of him but he sure looks funny. Harold Freeman 09:55, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Official Walden statement
It's been a turbulent week for Walden and Lovia.

Hannis, one of our long-time members and now a christian-conservative, wrote that Walden is in distress. And sure we are. Though the claims against our members have no legal basis, what happened is serious. I, as the party's chairwoman, have not been around last week. I acknowledge my responsibility in this crisis. I apologize to my dear Waldeners. I will try to regain your trust and support.

Walden is not dead. We have the best or one but best Congressial record. Since the 2010 Federals, we have a leading force in Congress. And at all times, we've been working hard to fulfill our goals - with success.

We will continue to do so. Walden must take a day or two to examine its faults (cause there have been faults), to correct them and to move on. Walden must be fresh again. Fresh and independent.

One of the things we learned from Bucu's revelations is that Lovian politics are still quite messy. People contacting people secretively to reach political and personal goals, is not something Walden supports. Another thing we learned is the importance and power of the media in such cases. Reading through the Quotidienne, we find many opinions, remarks and personal convictions. Steering our country in a way it should not go.

That's why Walden is picking up the pieces again. We're working on our image and our program, and within a month, Walden will be Lovia's everlasting flower again. We are happy these faults have been shown, we are eager to fix them, and we will be better off than if they had not been revealed.

If you have further questions concerning Walden's official position, just contact me Martha Van Ghent 13:42, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the spirit! Walden has been the first party with an authentic story and was behind numerous great proposals. I'm confident Walden can remain strong without having to re-invent itself. 16:00, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Walden, I love thee!
 * and me too, I owe an apology for my absence. I'm having a terribly troublesome time at home, which is why i wasn't around. you can't imagine how "Lovia" becomes of secondary importance in your life at tough times.. 17:07, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think we're stronger in a sense, Hannis wouldn't have voted for Walden things anyway and We will get all four of our members elected anyway. Walden will be in power 2011. Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 20:37, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

My bid for congress (Villanova)
Hello Lovia,
 * I will be running for re-election in 2011. Through all the controversey that in my case is behind us, thorugh me supporting the middle class, I will continue to fight for you. Here in the SQ where i've annouced alot of bids for political positions and capitalistic protests I promise to vote for you. I'm sorry to the people beacuase that's who i'm fighting for. The reason you elcected me in June this year is beacuse I love this country and you belived in me to do the best for you. I hope to contiue to fight for a green, better Lovia. Thank You and vote Walden in January! Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 21:20, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Walden is now stronger then before. The rotten apples are out, what remains is four users with much potential. Pierius Magnus 21:47, December 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well put, thnx for soming it up, but you forgot the part where walden comes in and saves the day !Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 21:49, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

They came right in time. Had this crisis not happened you would still have to deal with Pierlot's antics. :) Pierius Magnus 21:55, December 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * True. At lest now the remaining members should be stronger and united. Horton11 22:21, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Totally. check the latest convo at the WEC to see that all of us can get elected now. Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 22:29, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

The Natural Choice
2011: A fresh start, a fresh Walden!



Due to some certain events, Walden has lost some members and has had to change. But never fear, this is what we are about: Change! This new Walden has great potential. In the words of a fellow countryman, Ygo August Donia, "Walden is now stronger then before". And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the truth! Though we are only four, we will come out stronger, we shall stride higher and we WILL OVERCOME all of our troubles!

As you are aware, elections are soon coming up (if not, well surprise). Many parties are competing, but there is only ONE choice, a natural choice! And that choice is Walden, the Greenest, greatest and grandest of them. When the time comes, you will be asked to vote. When the time comes, we hope YOU vote WALDEN!!!!!!!!

signed, Horton11 00:04, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * One word: voluntarism. Though I do think Walden can move forward.  15:38, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good, Justin!! Martha Van Ghent 07:44, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Speech for Walden
Hello fellow Lovians, I want to stand here today saying that this January a vote for CCPL means that somone will be diprived of a simple right and a vote for rascism in which some of there ads included ﻿Geert Wilders a member of the anti-islamic, rasicist, Dutch Nationalist party: the Party for Freedom. And with near-Capitalist views are a threat to middle class families everywear. Next is the Liberal Union which are Capitalists but are socialy liberal but are very unactive, a vote for them means a slow congress that the people don't want. If you vote, vote Walden or CPL.nm we will fight for a active, better congress which will have laws that help the people and Lovia. We have worked to propose, Gay Marraige, A Progessive tax system, and Universal Health care along with a 14.00$ minmum wage. Remeber This January vote Walden!!! Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 18:22, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, vote Walden. And if you don't, it doesn't matter: they'll just stage a coup! Pierius Magnus 18:34, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Way to change the subject ! Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 18:42, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Poor argument indeed. Btw: Pierlot left the party. The Walden leaders have no history of vandalism or so. UNLIKE PIERIUS HIMSELF (cough cough). 18:47, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's about as stupid as you comparing our party with the PVV. Wilders is an atheist and, considered by many, to be a racist. I for one doubt he is a genuine racist better call him: "someone who generalises ethnic groups", which isn't as severe. Our party is nothing like his: we are not in any way racists or bigots, and we are not atheists. The fact that OWTB once jokingly used Geertje's image in a poster does not make us a Lovian PVV-fraction, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Pierius Magnus 18:50, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dimitri, you call that a poor argument? It is. So is calling the CCPL and its members racists and bigots and comparing us to the PVV. And I do not have a history of vandalism (not here, at least) - as in, emptying pages, deleting other peoples contributions (the way Pierlot did). That's just a load of bullocks, Your Highness, and you know it. Pierius Magnus 18:54, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Talking about "changing the subject"... bunch of no good hypocrit! Pierius Magnus 18:55, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

In any case you know it's true, tho I think politking is not be this year on the account of that everyone active will be in and everyone not (Freeman, Evans, Galahad) making room for new members! Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 20:26, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * "In any case you know it's true"? What's that supposed to mean, Marcus? Pierius Magnus 21:36, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oos Wes Ilava (CCPL)

 * What about non-Limburgish people? (wink) Percival E. Galahad 12:49, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's more that the new party MCP will probably diminish the number of Limburgish voters, which are together with the more conservative Lovians my most important group of voters. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:52, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Here's Geert again!!! Will he be permentally moving to lovia?! Maybe Al Gore will move here? Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 16:11, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it's about the guy on the right. :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 18:23, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Hope he's nice ! Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 21:25, December 13, 2010 (UTC)



The Green Revolution
150 years ago marked the peak of the first wave of progress: The Industrial Revolution. Now, Walden wants to bring a second wave of progress to Lovia: The Green Revolution. You might be thinking "didn't the Industrial Revolution and its 'progress' bring lots of pollution and misery to the workers". This may be true, but this revolution is all green: to endorse eco-sustainability; to encourage "green" growth; and to promote Lovia as a sustainable country, to our people and to the world!

People of Lovia, when the time comes, you will be asked to do your duty. When you vote, remember one thing- VOTE WALDEN!!

Brought to you by Justin Abrahams and the Walden Party. Horton11 05:13, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Good one!!! I love it!! Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 23:06, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to be raining on your parade, but just about every party there is/could be in favor of eco-friendliness. Plus, Lovia is already a very ecologically-minded nation. Just saying. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 00:01, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * True, the CPL is always in favor of some eco-power too. Green Revolution sounds nice, but how to implement it? Economic interventionism anyone? 06:35, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to say so - I've always liked Walden as a party (not its politics or views :P) - but recently a trend is coming that the party is becoming a one-issue party centered around the environment and gay rights. What happened with the old Walden? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 06:56, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm concerned, Lovia has always taken great care of its natural habitat and of its gays. What "rights" do they lack? Our constitution seems to be very "gender\sexuality neutral" to me. Barking up the wrong tree, that's how I would describe Walden's policy. It has always been prone to doing so. Pierius Magnus 08:08, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * @OWTB: I think it's still there, in Martha and Andy. Justin is clearly taking the gay-and-green route, it seems. 09:59, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, and Martha and Andy are unfortunately not really active.. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 15:08, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * i'm like really really really busy these days.. Hope you understand. 19:03, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * For some people apparently not ! But anyway, in a poster you can't tell everything. Hit one point and get on. Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 21:43, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope walden does not make mistakes in only putting it's green image to the front: 'one can't govern a country on green power' <font color=Navy>JON   THE DUDE   <font color=Navy>JOHNSON  14:06, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Speech from Lotto
Dear people, I've heard Yuri does not want to be prime minister again. We need someone who is refreshing, and is a major figure for Lovia, even if he was only MMOTC. I am hopefully, that one. I am known as a vandalist, but i'll try to grow. I've also seen that most CPL.NM figures are inactive. That is dissappointing. With people like me we can get the communist power back on track. Before it's to late and Lovia has becomen a Christian nation, were atheists and gays cant life in a good atmosphere. A nation were women cant work and become slaves of their husbands. That is a horror scenario. That is what Operation Hammer will prevent. This operation will slay lovia with it's hammer, and make Lovia a dream place, were it is good to life. Also the following is important:States will have too build fire departments and hospitals, But not megalomanous like Clymene, building 4 hospitals in a state which has less inhabitants than the smallest fusion municipality in Belgium? That is wrong. We need to force Clymene to build only one, that is for sure. Also, fire departments? Nobody has heard of that, apparently (except in Oceana maybe). Maybe we need to make that federal, just like the police. Maybe some Noble city Neighborhoods need to be demolished, 15? Maybe 9 less. Maybe we could have departments share buildings, that is efficient. (BTW stolen from the netherlands. Why not merge some departments? Finance, IAT, T&L, EE and transport could be merged. Same goes fore Justice and Foreign, Doche and welfare could remain separate. Then we have Food, i suggest adding a Food Inspection to keep our food and drinks safe. That could be part of Welfare. Police should be moved to Justice, that is more logical. NPs and NMS should be merged, that is better because then we need less people. Justice secretaries would have to appoint 2 judges in stead of 1 to keep it democratic. Let we now end Pierlot McCrooke 15:58, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * So you'll be our next PM? Damn, this is what I'd call a true revelation! And what an epic speech you wrote. Pierius Magnus 16:11, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I dont care. Becoming PM is not my aspiration. It would be fun thoughPierlot McCrooke 16:23, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, if not you, who do you think should be our next PM? Pierius Magnus 16:24, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not know yet Pierlot McCrooke 16:25, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've always wanted to vote for a PM who does it just because it would be fun. :P Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 16:26, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, a dumb answer from me. I think lovia needs aa good PM. Not nesscary me. I as MOC would provide the Lovians a good country. Same goes for me as Pm. That is important. You could do it too. But I think a strong man is needed, like Medvedev was Pierlot McCrooke 16:33, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lovia needs a strong leader? A strong leader to take us by the hand and guide us to "better days"? Sounds like IGP all over again. Pierius Magnus 18:12, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * No. He should be of course not a fascist militant dictator. He should be a peaceful man which does everything democratic Pierlot McCrooke 18:28, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

SECOND AND THIRD SPEECH COMING SOON Second speech will be about religion Pierlot McCrooke 19:05, December 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * @Perius your right very IGP-ish. @CPL.nm - Think before you act! Remeber this was a person trying to stage a coup! Also I am truly turned off and hope that Oos becomes PM and that we might have a coalition.


 * CCPL/Walden - 8 Seats/Prime Minister
 * CPL.nm - 3 Seats
 * LAP - 2 Seats
 * MCP - 1 Seat
 * Independent - 1 Seat
 * + King = 15 Seats
 * With the Christian/Green Coalition having more than 50% of the seats! Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 22:06, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like this idea of a Christian\Green Coalition, Marcus. The CCPL will be bigger then the commies - they only run three candidates. Out of nine members! Crazy times, crazy times! I expected much more from my red comrades. In my day, this would have never happened. Red is dead? Makes me sad, in a way. Pierius Magnus 22:56, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who knows, Magnus? Maybe someday Lovian textbooks will credit you as the forefather of Lovian communism. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 23:01, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * The forefather of Lovian communism is the man behind the LCP - the first communist party of Lovia to produce a MOTC. Again, Pierius Magnus 23:11, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Egotrot indeed. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 23:12, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I never asked to be PM over and over again. If you guys think a Walden-CCPL coalition can work then pray forge it. The Communist Party can realize much less than it would want to, maybe the opposition is a more natural position for such a radical party? Only up till now we have been an ideal partner for the other progressive forces in Congress. 08:43, December 27, 2010 (UTC)