User talk:American Eagle

Welcome back!
Welcome back, American Eagle! :) --O u WTB 08:37, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * O please, call me Arthur! 08:44, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok :P Welcome back, Arthur! :) --O u WTB 08:37, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Welcome! 12:53, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Patriot Act
The Patriot Act (Federal Law) you once wrote has never done quite well what it meant to do, although the bill was good, in principle. Should we consider scrapping it? Yours truly, 16:06, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes Sir, you might be right on this one. It is however a pity that it didn't succeed to stimulate the Lovian business patriotism. Nevertheless, it is true that laws or government provision that no longer serve, should be eliminated. Will you are shall I propose this action? 22:13, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I totally agree, my dear Arthur. If you don't mind, I'll put the proposition on the table. I think I might just start in the 2nd Chamber: there's not much to talk about here. 08:30, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Admin
I'm glad you start using your admin rights, Monty  16:48, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * stop with that monty. That is irritating me. Just like your anti-regionalism. But regionalism is good for a nation McCrooke 17:18, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean like the regionalism that caused the US Civil War, the HU Crisis, the Belgian linguistic troubles, the Irish terrorist actions or Baskish separatism? 17:39, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Basque*. Why always the same discussions :( --O u WTB 17:40, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, Basque, right . Well, I don't want this discussion either. So let's put an end to it. 17:42, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

The Belgian and Basque crises can be fixed by splitting belgium and declaring Basque Coutry independent. Belgium is too artificial. It has failed McCrooke 17:52, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem IS splitting Belgium. What about Brussels? What about faciliated communities? What about international image? What about our Constitution? Were it as simple as you put it, problems would never have arisen. 17:55, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Facilitated communities have never served their service good. Brussels could be made a autonomous Eu city. International image:i dont care. McCrooke 17:57, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Like Aesop would say: You little devil! --Bucurestean 18:19, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Will you be running for MOTC? You're the one who thinks first of national interest and then local or personal, and you're super at writing legislation. If you don't, that's alright, but if you do, know that I'll support that candidacy for the reasons I just summarized. 18:22, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * I will indeed be a Congressial candidate. Thank you a lot for the support, Your Majesty. -- 11:22, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you the writer of the laws in Lovia? Andy McCandless 13:26, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * He has written quite some laws indeed :) 16:54, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's good! I say: if a law should be made, then be it a good one! Andy McCandless 20:20, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Justice + Archive
Arthur, would you - purely hypothetically - accept my offer if I asked you to become the next Supreme Court Judge? Yuri isn't around, so we do need another one. And you have experience in "the right sector". Would you like that, hypothetically? 18:59, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * And please, archivate this page  19:01, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * I would certainly like that - of course if not combined with the office of the Prime Minister. -- 21:31, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure :) 11:34, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Hi there
Hey Mr. Jefferson! I'm Andy McCandless and as you know I'm the chairman of the Walden Libertarian Party. Me and Edward Hannis are our 2010 candidates to become Members of the Congress.

We would really appreciate you voting for (one of) our candidates in the upcoming elections. Your support would mean a lot to us, that's for sure! Enjoy this wonderful winter's day and see you again! 09:22, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Enjoy the holidays!
How how how! Have a great time and I wish you the best of luck for 2010!  11:55, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * I thank thee sincerely for thy honorable wishings! -- 11:37, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
And a happy new year with a lot of joy, friendship and of course healthiness. --Bucurestean 12:04, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * I thank thee sincerely for thy honorable wishings! -- 11:37, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

2010 Notice
Hi there!

First of all, I'd like to wish you the best for 2010! I hope you'll enjoy the next decade. As a Lovian, I also wish to express my hope for an active Lovian in 2010.

Furtheron, there is important political news. Our first democratic elections since 2008 have just begun! As a citizen, you are entitled to vote for our candidates. All candidates with three supportive votes will become Member of the Congress, and the person with the most votes shall become our Prime Minister. I don't have to tell you how important it is for me, Lovia and yourself that you cast your votes wisely! You have three supportive votes which you can give to three different candidates. This you can do from this moment on, at the Federal Elections Office.

Good luck in 2010 and I hope to see you in the elections office!

17:40, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, YRH. -- 09:07, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome Monty. 08:29, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

thanks for the note
I am in receipt of your welcome note and noticed you are standing as a candidate in the current elections. I'm interested in supporting you but am curious where you stand on the question of privatizing the Federal Police? One of the companies owned by Honecker Holdings, Ltd. - Heartland - would be interested in submitting a bid if new legislation were introduced demanding an open tender on privatizing the Lovian police. DietrichHonecker 13:24, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you are welcome. Personally, I do not second such an idea as to privatize a sector as vital as the Federal Police. We are a state, based upon individual values as well as common, social values. In Lovia, the economy serves to aid the people, not vice versa. I can tell you, Sir Honecker, with the greatest certainty that the party I adhere, the Progressive Democrats, oppose the privatization of police corpses. And I am pretty sure, though not fully, that the other major parties agree with me on this. Why is it you wish to privatize the police corpses so urgently? -- 13:28, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Iam sorry Arthur. Maybe you could rethink your voting decision. i know i have done some bad thing but wanted to stop that party by supporting the leader and then take it over
 * It makes me happy to know you are aware of some of your wrongdoings. And of course, I will give it another think. You might as well understand that I will want to see that you are serious about this. -- 14:50, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Answer
Could you please answer on this from pierius? Pierlot McCrooke 09:53, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would prefer to stay out of this issue, Pierlot. He is blocked for one month, which means one month of peace and quiet, and I think we should enjoy this lack of annoyance. Don't you think so? -- 09:56, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes i would think so. But Pierius constantly says things to OWTB. OWTB agrees on most things he says Pierlot McCrooke 10:00, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * That is his right, is it not? As I said, I wish to stay out of this matter. I already hated being called an "elitist" just because I am befriended with Dimitri, and I do not wish to get into this any deeper. Dimitri did what he thought was necessary, and in most ways I think he was right. Dixi. -- 10:03, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok Pierlot McCrooke 10:04, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I always agree with people when I'm talking to them, but agreeing could be temporary ;) --O u WTB 10:09, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. JUs tdont listen to Pierius. You want to know he has yesterday done to wikistad? Pierlot McCrooke 10:10, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think Oos Wes is to be trusted, Pierlot. The longer I know the two of you, the more I give you my trust. -- 10:11, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK I only telled to OWTB PIerius isnt to be trusted Pierlot McCrooke 10:12, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know Pierius has quite a criminal record, but so do you and I have. I always take those things in mind when I make a final conclusion. And as I've said there: I won't take it up against Dimitri. The first time I did it, it went wrong. The second time I did it, it went wrong. So why would it work a third time? And there's no reason to, because I'm happy with the way things are for me in Lovia. Maybe things are not fair to other people, they're still fair to me. No need for an uprise in my opinion :) --O u WTB 10:20, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your words are comforting. What I noticed, and you must have too, is that our Majesty is changing some of his viewpoints. The things I heard at Speakers' Corner convinced me of his intentions to democratize some aspects of the system. Maybe the soft OWTB way, is the best way. -- 10:23, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Decisions
We should make a decision concerning the block of Pierius soon now, there is no gain in postponing any longer. I support an immediate de-block, but if you see this different? Anyway, I would like to have a straightforward answer by monday. 12:33, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose Dimitri already did that, didn't he? -- 07:50, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yes he did. And I am very glad he has made the right decision. It will secure him of my undying loyalty for the monarchy. I, the Baron of Donia and my LCP comrades, will always defend the right of our current king and his future decendents by blood, to rule Lovia. Dr. Magnus 16:19, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Elected!
Congratulations, Mr. Jefferson! You are elected to the 2010 Congress. You will shortly be briefed on what is coming up. For more information and statistics: Forum:The Pub. 07:21, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Your Majesty! Also, thank you for your vote . -- 18:08, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Millstreet
As you can see here, the hexacode of Millstreet really is with MS and not MI. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:12, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see, I see. I was just a little puzzled for the seal template uses "MI" as code. -- 19:13, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a little error I guess. I've moved the template to the correct place now. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:14, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Great . -- 19:15, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see why Matthews and the King voted for you . You are an honest and correct worker, aren't you? -- 19:29, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't already been that in the past, but I try to leave a better impression of me now, yeah :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:15, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations with your movie prize, mr. Jefferson! 14:50, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations indeed. It arrived a little later than supposed, but I'm glad you won! 16:07, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! -- 18:55, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Secretary of Welfare
I realize that I have now replaced you in the position of Secretary of Welfare. I hope to do much in this position, and one I feel of course that you would be the best person to ask about what I should do with this position, so that I can continue where you left off. Edward Hannis  23:30, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations young man! It is a wonderful position indeed. What sort of advice were you looking for? -- 18:56, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * A general overview. What were you doing prior to the elections? I plan to continue on what you were doing. Edward Hannis  [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 02:40, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

New hamlet
Have you seen Beaverwick? Pierlot McCrooke 17:32, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

See this is why i want Lovia to become a real place because there are alot of quaint towns by the sea. You know what i'm getting a condo in this town! Marcus Villanova 17:47, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ficteve landen
Interested in editing here? Pierlot McCrooke 15:54, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, my dearest friend. I am already preoccupied with all of my activities here in Lovely Lovia. -- 15:58, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe as a part-time wikia for you? Pierlot McCrooke 16:02, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe . -- 16:02, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope you will, because our wiki is very inactive Pierlot McCrooke 16:13, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * As for fictieve landen: it actually is quite a decent site. Me and Pierlot have put quite some efford into it, but to bad for poor Lotje, nobody is active anymore. With two or three expierenced users the site could get off the ground very quickly and become a major hit. Dr. Magnus 17:10, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Movie
For your latest movie, I would love to suggest to brilliant, expierenced Lovian actors with a wide range of expierence: Rico Wasabi & Thomas R. Wang. Could you fit a role for one of them in your movie? Thanks in advance, Dr. Magnus 17:06, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mr. Jefferson? Dr. Magnus 20:47, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I am so sorry I kept you waiting! I must have forgotten to answer. I am very pleased with your offer, though I will have to turn it down. You see, these fine actors of yours are not exactly the kind I will be needing . Still, I very much appreciate your willingness! If you know some other actors, feel free to give me a ring! -- 20:50, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps then you will allow me, A.M. Donia, to make my official acting debut? I have already directed a movie (Wasabi Super Fight Movie Adventure) but I would love to make my official acting debut. As for my character's appearance: the baron is a middle-aged gentleman (born 1946) tall, bulky and grey-haired with a hint of a American accent (looks a bit like Colonel Saunders from KFC)... Could you find me a role? Dr. Magnus 20:53, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * That would be great, Mr. Donia! Would you be contented with a supporting role? In my upcoming movie I need no men of your age category. But I am sure I will find a great supporting role for you. Would that be all right with you, Mister Donia? You know, all great actors once began as sidekicks . -- 20:58, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! I am perfectly fine with a supporting role. You have to start somewhere, after all, and it would be great to starr alongside more expierenced actors. Perhaps I am a latebloomer? Dr. Magnus 21:00, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The pleasure is mine, my friend. I shall look for a good role for you, somewhere in the script, and I will personally keep in touch with you. My sincere thanks for your cooperation! -- 21:02, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you have made the old baron very happy! Once the movie is finished, shall we hold the premier show at Donia Castle? There is plenty of room for hundreds of movie-goers to attend! Also, at the movie the Donia Clan is willing to do the catering! Dalia Muhammed sure is a fine cooke! Dr. Magnus 21:15, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a fine idea . -- 21:15, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay then, it is settled! I will go off line now, have to attend a party. Have a good evening, see ya! Dr. Magnus 21:18, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Vote (Congress)
Could I please ask you to cast your Congressial vote in the Second Chamber on this issue:
 * Proposal 2: "Abolishing the undemocratic local regulations"
 * 18:20, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you come on Messenger, please? 20:24, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, just a moment. -- 20:24, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Another issue would be the ambitious and large scale Milk is good for everyone-project\initiative that I have set up together with OWTB and Aesopos. The goal is simple: to educate Lovians into consuming more milk and dairy products. This will strenghten the bones and increase bone density thus making it much harder to break bones. Dr. Magnus 20:22, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * The prices of milk- and dairy products are to be lowered and the same thing goes to the prices on calcium tablets for those who suffer from lactose intolerance. This will greatly improve Lovian health, overall. Dr. Magnus 20:23, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Vote (Congress)
Dearest Member of the Congress, there is a new Constitutional amendment bill in the Second Chamber. It will need a 75% majority to pass. Could you please go there and cast your vote? Thank you, 06:49, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Music
LOOK- M.A.V. Marcus Villanova 22:20, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back!
One week delayed I see :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 13:15, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Independent
One thing's good about you leaving the Commies: we now actually have an indepedent Supreme Court Judge  12:26, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * True! Yet, I am unsure about whether I will remain independent or join a party in the future. I think I will be independent for some time to come. Parties can be of use only in two cases: when you all agree and what to push for the same agenda, and when you need to get elected ;). None of both is the case. -- 10:36, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you don't need a party to get elected. Maybe we do need to party after the election.  12:20, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

another lol by Yuri.Marcus Villanova 20:06, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Reform proposal
There's a reform proposal in the First Chamber, written by OWTB and me, with input of many others of us. I would really want you to check it out. It might solve some political issues. Thanks, 10:57, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * → Forum:First Chamber (bottom)
 * Okay. -- 14:50, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Dear fellow Member of the Congress
We need your help to define the authorities of the Governors and the Congress. As our King said, "It will be the largest constitutional reform we have ever had, but it will be one in the right direction: that of democracy and legal simplification." Many people want a state reform, but have a different opinion on it. Dimitri and OWTB lately made a compromise, that has already been "approved" by the leader of the Neo-Marxists, the leader of the Waldeners and by the majority of the Liberal Congressmen. I suggest we try to work that plan out, together, or at least discuss the whole subject in the First Chamber. --Bucurestean 15:18, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Citizen News VI

 * 07:29, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Fifth Amendment: State Reform
Finally we have the full text of the law proposals concerning State Reform! It will be the fifth and the largest amendment ever made to the Constitution, which signifies that we need a 75% majority, thus 8 of 10 MOTCs to vote pro. We are in a bit of a hurry as next week, the number of seats in Congress will be set to 16, which will make it harder to get the proposal through the Second Chamber. If you have suggestions or questions about the proposal, you may do it now in the First Chamber. Please don't forget to check the Second Chamber this week. Bucu 14:40, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * (click here for the final version of the proposal)
 * I would rather wait with this, Sir Alexandru. We cannot "hurry a bit" over something as important as state reform! Also, if we would not manage to get all Members to read the articles and correct them before the new Congressmembers are elected, it will make things only more complicated. -- 15:55, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the vote!
Thanks for electing LLCP member Marcus Villanova as knowing that you are center left it wouldn't be crazy to see you join the party again thanks for the for of Enthusiasm.=] Marcus Villanova 00:23, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are welcome . Congratulations with your election! -- 10:53, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Photo moment!
Hey Monty. You're one of the guys in the 2010 Congress of whom we don't have a (realistic) picture. Perhaps an idea to upload a picture the press and Congress may use? If you do so, don't forget to check your wiki-age  07:56, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, right. I should get working on my biography indeed. -- 09:00, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Finally: Reform has arrived
Dear MOTC, our 2010 State Reform Bill has finally arrived. We need you to read it through carefully, check for mistakes, possibly propose changes, express an opinion about it, etc. If all goes well, we might get the bill voted before the end of August, so that we can host State Elections get our states back on track. Please do your duty dutifully!  08:40, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I shall check it, although you know I already read most of it. Did you change much since last week? -- 05:33, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

My condolences...
...you just dealt a deathblow to Lovian democracy... BastardRoyale 09:51, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * They got what they deserved: making havoc, personal attacks, stalling the process, don't react on the outcome,... 12:11, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Drabo
It has been more then enough of him. Things like this are just not tolerable. Could you please trial him again and block him for a very long time? It is time to end the charade once and for all. Dr. Magnus 19:04, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is my official response as the Supreme Court Judge presiding over the latest case, and as an administrator on this website: there is no urgent need of a trial at the moment. Drabo has violated a court order from the previous trial, and is to be punished for that. I am not sure whether he needs to be tried first. Anyway, this user has violated site rules and may be blocked for that by any bureaucrat/moderator. I will ask Dimitri to look into this. -- 20:53, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Trial (2): Charges against Drabo
I don't fell like going to Court but I fell it's very neccacary. Magnus and alot others fell like User:Drabo13 got off way to easy. He's insulted people consitnley, showed public display of racsism and hatred to other people, he hasn't really contributed to Lovia but has done the opposite. He has broken Wiki code repaedtly and started a political party, the IGP, that has spread hatred, white nationalism, as possibly started the sofasi riots of 2010. That's why I am starting a trial personally against Hessel Doorian and the IGP.

Since the case is defendeing not only the people who have been insulted by Drabo13 but everyone the case is called Lovia vs. User:Drabo13 and the IGP.

I am suing Mr.Drabo for the following reasons: I am suing the IGP for: In result of the trial I want the following From Marcus Villanova WLP 20:09, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personal Insults
 * Insults to other people (Like to User:Erwin"May dogs eat your bones", to me:"Jewboy" and pointless others that have really offended people)
 * He has written speaches everywhere including the spakers corner that has spread white nationalism and hatred.
 * Violation of Article 1 A.2 of the Constitution:
 * The IGP and its leader Hessel Doorian have violated article 1.2 of the Lovian Constitution by the way they propagate their ideas. Their violent and aggressive way of communicating is contrary to this article.
 * Violation of Article 2.1.2 of the Constitution:
 * The IGP and its leader are openly fascist, racist and anti-democratic. They say things and plan to commit acts which thus violate the right of every human being and citizen as incorporated in Constitutional Article 2.1.2.
 * Violation of Article 2.1.9 of the Constitution:
 * Mr. H. Doorian has behaved inappropriately on public places and towards people in person.
 * Spreading Facsism
 * Spreading Hatred
 * Possibly encouraging the Sofasi Riots
 * and various other things that have insulted people
 * For User:Drabo13 to be banned forever
 * For his charaters to be put to death
 * For the IGP to be closed, no questions
 * and his character to lose citizen rights
 * For Drabo's Sockie User:AdolfMansholt to be banned forever too.

Offical Report of people Drabo has offended,insulted and intimidated

 * On his Character Page a quote says "There are fundamental differences between the kaffirs and us white aryans. We are, lets be honest, superior to them."
 * Also on his page Hessel Doorian he says he is in support of quote "glorious days of Apartheid"
 * To peirlot McCrooke " Shut your pie hole traitor. IGP has no need for traitors. Traitors deserve punishment. And they will get it, I can assure you. Be warned, and stay away from me now you traitot.'; 'And you you absolutely lack rhetorical skills and talk like you are a mentally retarded monkey who shits himself every day and has to wear a diaper. You drooling mongrel ..."
 * To Pierlot on an Archive of Dimi's talk page "It is things like this that makes me want to bash your head in. Just saying. (I think since he thought he put the smiely face it was okay)
 * To Pierlot on a sockpeppet named AdolfMansholt "Your trial will FAIL! You will all be eliminated and eradicated from the face of the earth. The IGP shall hang all traitors from the gallows, no mercy for any of them!"
 * To pierlot agian on his blog with the socpop - A good "new idea" would be to kill all the non-whites in this nation, without any exceptions. You would certainly count as one, jewboy
 * Again on my talk page - "You maye think we are gone... but you couldn't be more off! Hessel Doorian has entered the political arene, so the Lovians should prepare themselves for some old-school lynching. We will unleash hell upon leftists, socialists and communists. HELL!!! Not to mention all non-whites and race traitors. Times are going to change, rapidly. We are on the eve of a glorious revolution..."
 * On IGP talk page Febuary 11th - "You sicken me. You make me sick to my stomach. Back in the old days, you know what we did to your kind? We rounded you up and put your backs against the wall so that the firing squad could deal with you. Or we would hang you from the highest tree we could find. That is what traitors deserve. Those are the words of Drabo, in the spirit of Honecker. The divine Ruler has spoken."
 * Talking to me on August 25th -"I am glad I was able to talk some sense in this jewboy"
 * Again talikng to me on August 25th - "White Power! White power word wide"
 * Drabo Has posted this Hate speech on many pages including the Speakers Corner Called Drabo's Dream of the Final Solution ''"I have a dream! A dream that one day our children will live in a Lovia that is all white, and in which there is no place for non-whites in the great Aryan society we will build. A Lovia in which the sons of former slaves will be commanded and ordered around once again by the sons of former slave holders. A Lovia in which every negro and negress knows its place. A Lovia in which the great white men and women dominate and rule over the negroids, the mongoloids, the hebrews and other inferior ethnic groups. I hope to live long enough to see this dream realised, a dream I share with many. White men discovered the lands on which we live. They cultivated these lands, they grew the crops that fed our people, they planted the seed of civilisation brought from the western world, and they brought our people prosperity. Our brothers and sisters must never forget the way our history has always been and will always be dominated by the glorious white race. All the good things our nation ever had came from the Aryan race. All the bad things where the fault of non-whites: it was a black man that killed our king Arthur III, it were the asians who brought poverty and terror to Asian Island and in recent days, the jews, always welcome in our ‘tolerant nation’ have repaid us by causing a world-wide economic crisis, also threatening Lovia. We will eliminate all these unwanted elements from our society. We will oppress them and crush them if needed. When we will do so, it will be by no fault of our own: they brought it upon themselves. Each and every way we decide to deal with these ungodly creatures is deserved, and they will understand and accept it knowing that they have brought it on themselves for what they have done. It is the jews that invented communism, and brought the red danger to Lovia: it was invented by the jew Marx, the jew Lenin, the jew Trotsky and the jew Stalin. It were the blacks that brought crime to Lovia: the porch monkeys came into Lovia crawling from the ships that brought our founding fathers, along with the rats and other foreign animals. All these other races are worthless and we have to deal with them in the only possible way: by total elimination and destruction. A final solution, my friends, is to be found. Adolf Hitler tried, and he failed. Maybe he wanted to much? Instead of just killing all the German jews and other unwanted peoples, he tried to kill them all, world wide. He wanted to much, so he failed. We should start in our own country, and then we should follow in his footsteps. Our actions will open eyes worldwide, and will be the start of a massive revolution on a global scale. Is oppressing these vile and disgusting people enough, for now? Or is total and utter eradication required, the slaughter of them all? I would like to hear the thoughts of fellow members of the party. "''


 * On his talk page he tells User:Erwin quote: "May dogs eat your bones, Erwin"


 * He published a book Called Our Eternal Enemy in which it shows how to: Reconize a hebrew, and calls Jews "the hooknosed demon who hides his horns under a yarmulke so that you will not recognize them" The book goes onto say that Jews are bad, and that the africand race is bad and other races are bad.


 * And countless othertimes, as you well know, insulted people as spread hatred.

Marcus Villanova WLP 20:32, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Plaintiff
I am wanting to become one of the prosecutors. of the trial above. Or at least an witness. Because i dont like drabo. I want to stop him Pierlot McCrooke 18:33, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: In the upcoming trial, what would be my role? What would be my function if I participate? Pierlot McCrooke 18:39, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Pierlot Remember I'm the one Leading the prosacution! Your role would be Witness, Prosecutor and we would have to discuss the Speech and stuff at IRC, But shouldn't there be like a Wikination IRC Thing? Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 20:20, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Starting the trial
Dear Mr. Villanova,

Did I understand you correctly: you, Marcus Villanova, accuse Hessel Doorian and the Iron Guard Party of personal insults, threats to the personal safety and well-being of Lovians, hatespeech, and threats to the democracy of Lovia? You ask a ban on the party, a lifelong sentence for Hessel Doorian and AdolfMansholt, including losing their citizen rights. Is that right? "Kill their characters" we cannot do: the Supreme Court does not decide over website issues. Can the Court then start this case, which will be known as Villanova v. IGP, Doorian Trial?

I must remark, though, that the Iron Guard Party is already banned by the previous court rule. I think the Court will not be able to try them again. Please consider this and perhaps change your accusations.

-- 14:15, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fine since i can't rial against the IGP I won't, but i'll still use the party as evidence. Yes I shall Trial against Doorian for thos following reasons. Marcus Villanova WLP [[Image:Flag of Lovia Small.png|border|20px]] 16:06, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright. Within the next weeks, we will do all the formalities of the trial. -- 09:56, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Another IGP trial? Percival E. Galahad 10:43, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yap... 13:33, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is this trial occuring? Can you get a Warrant for his arrest? Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 15:49, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you seriously want to start a trial? Seems a little pointless to me. Drabo is largely unimportant anymore. If he were to re-emerge, I'd understand your reasoning, but this is somewhat nonsensical. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 16:27, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * He asked for a trial months ago and Arthur said he'd get to it in a couple of weeks. Months have passed, the year is almost over and nothing ever happened. I understand Marcus' reasoning: he either wants a trial or, at the very least, a decent explanation. Pierius Magnus 16:29, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

This legal system is stupid like britans (no offense) but seriously. The British system has no jury and everyone is dressed up like they were from 1770. Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 16:32, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Britain is caught up in its past, still in its colonial-period styles, still with a monarch. They should've had their revolution like us French; behead the bejezus out of our rivals. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 17:15, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

I must saythe american jusical system is the best tho! Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 17:19, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah. It's quite lame. Too many rights for prisoners, and the Supreme Court system is very bad; openly indecisive, and too busy to take care of all the cases it should hear. Not to mention the multiple cases in its history that were blatantly wrong. Korematsu v. United States comes to mind. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 17:23, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

not the worst descion ever...i mean they also ruled Geroge Bush President so... the federal court has had it's screw ups but the lower courts are better and the style of questioning and style is a whole lot beter. Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 17:28, December 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also here we have no:


 * "how do you plea"
 * Bail
 * Evidence
 * Redirect
 * plea bargins
 * all the small things
 * Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 17:31, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * We have evidence, we have no jails (hence no bails), and for everything else, do we need those? It just makes the process slower. If you ask me, it makes no difference if you accept you're guilty in court; you still did the crime. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 17:45, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

I guess but it clarifies a bunch and only take 5 seconds to say "not-guilty" also who can you a dismiss a case here? Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.Walden 17:56, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Statistics
Hey there, I'm preparing our very own really big Lovian survey and right now I need some basic data. Could you please give your age, nationality and a word best describing your religious and political stance. I need the IRL-data, if you wish not to publicize any of these I'll understand. Thanks. 11:42, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Belgian, Atheist, liberal. I wish not to publicize the rest of the personal information. -- 17:35, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Site council fixed membership
You are now one of the three fixed members of the seven-member Wikination:Site council. Please check the page regularly and discuss all ongoing topics. There is already one topic and vote going on. 08:47, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Nonsense
We should include a Wikination rule soon, that allows the site to prevent people from writing hundreds and hundreds of articles about one family, one company, etc.. That is nonsense. If people want do that, let them. They should be goood in quality anyway. Horton is becoming better Pierlot McCrooke 08:16, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, you're right. Too bad you're not a member of the site council or the congress, but I am against blocking someone like him. Horton has done more to this site in one months then many others in a year. Dr. Magnus 08:48, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I bet I can make double the edits Horton made. It is silly to talk about the quantity of his edits; I rather have someone to write one really good article than hundreds of stubs barely related to the rest of the wiki. I do not favor such a rule but the site council should be able to block someone if he doesn't respond/improve. 10:38, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've already come under attack for creating a family. I don't understand it, I'll admit there good stubs so I don't understand it. I won't create anymore, i just wanted to create a family. Marcus Villanova 13:48, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fine, Marcus, don't you worry. I've had to endure tons of shit and criticism and whining and bitching about the Donia Clan, I still do. But they got to live with the fact that the Donia's, aswell as the Villanova's and the Ramsley's, are here to stay! Dr. Magnus 14:06, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes Hopefully! Marcus Villanova 14:09, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oceana State Police Headquarters
Could you please restore this page and its talk page? The headquarters are still there, only the state police is gone :) If you restore them, I'll make the page a bit larger. (history and so on) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:24, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dimitri, I'll update it after I've done my daily things :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:30, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okidoki :). Perhaps also change the barn in a real building? It's not very credible all together... 08:35, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the barn ain't part of the building. It's the building at the background :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:37, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

oceana late
Interested to be one of the guests in Oceana Late on 23-11? Pierlot McCrooke 16:44, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Oceana Late and see if you like the format. It's new, it's different and it's absolutely unique! Dr. Magnus 17:08, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, but my schedule does not allow me to appear on you show on that day. Thanks for asking me anyway! -- 17:53, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe you can change your lovian schedule. It is btw fictional you dont have to edit at that time Pierlot McCrooke 18:15, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps he just doesn't wanna be on the show Integrity issues or so. It looks like a terribly wild show to me   20:19, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahaha :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 05:53, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Trail
I am wanting to start a trial against Bucu and Magnus for making Walden black Pierlot McCrooke 16:00, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Libel? You could hardly have anything to prove against them. And plus, if they're right, they're just whistleblowers. That's a good thing. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 16:16, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * They should have provided more proof today Pierlot McCrooke 16:17, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, there's no law mentioning you should always immediately say everthing you know which can be useful to the site. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:20, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * They should have placed the proof today. The reason for that is because then this disucssions wouldnt have happened Pierlot McCrooke 16:22, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * The discussion also wouldn't have taken place if you didn't said you wanted a trial and you wanted the trial because they didn't give any proof, which, according to you, should be given in order to prevent this discussion. I quite see a fallacy there, cirkelredenering. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:01, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Anyhow, you'll never get a trial before Latin leaks tomorrow on Oceana Late. I'm sorry man, but it seems like your actions may have caught up to you. Edward Hannis [[File:CogHammer.gif]] 17:07, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I cant help but i always have to do things like this even if know it will end bad for me. I cant say stop to that. I am sorry Pierlot McCrooke 17:16, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are weak. The IGP does not tolerate weakness.
 * Go away up drabo Pierlot McCrooke 18:32, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * As I am involved, I would like to know if this will be continued, because I've also got other things to do. Bucu 17:22, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

@Pierlot: the court is indeed highly unlikely to find enough evidence for a trial even. If you want to do something at all for your Walden, you better just support them or contact McCandless/Van Ghent. 12:04, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Independents united for education and the liberal arts
An independent thinker, a centrist democrat, somebody who cares about the environment and our cultural heritage, an education-lover. That's you and that's us: the Liberal Arts Party. Would you perhaps support our cause? We want to run in the 2011 Federal Elections and get some LAPPER elected! Please consider joining, or if not, endorsing. Thanks! Percival E. Galahad 15:02, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, as a Supreme Court Judge I wish not to be a formal member of any party. I would however considering running with the Liberal Arters. Is that possible, you believe? As a Non-Inscrit, let us say. -- 15:56, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Like in the EU parliament? Hillbilly Boy 19:08, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think so, yes. Consider yourself a NI-LAP'er then, Artur! Percival E. Galahad 15:10, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well all right . -- 08:22, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure you're not officially joining LAP? You are a great work force, mate. 19:44, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's say you've already gotten him far, signing up as a Non Inscrit for LAP ;) 06:57, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Debate!
Elections can be terribly heated. What we should, above all, not forget, is that elections are about a good program and great ideas for 2011 and the future. That's why there's the 2011 Speakers' Corner Debate. All candidates can participate! Also, please add questions of your own. Good luck in the upcoming,

Political rights
I want to know if it is possible to make a division between political rights and civil rights. This would solve a problem that I have mentioned on Dimi's talk page earlier today. I propose the that civil rights can be obtained when being citizen, and cannot be taken away (off course after vandalism or some severe harming of the law the supreme court can decide otherwise). Political rights on the other hand can be obtained by 'being active', these rights will need refreshment from time to time off course. But it would solve some problems: inactive congress, running for a political post without having the intention to stay, inactive voters, etc. People who lose their political rights would not be able to participate in the political life of lovia. What my final question is, can this be seen as racism? Pierius made some argument on this, and I really want to know it, because we need legal solutions to stop foreign voting, and an inactive congress JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  17:06, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, of course, that's legally possible, by which I mean we can obtain such a division by altering Article 2 of our Constitution. Calling it racism is terribly ridiculous - I see no relation to race or ethnics. What you should bear in mind of course, Jon, is the complexity of this matter. If you choose to introduce such a division, which could have fine results, you must be very careful. A bulletproof bill like Percival's latest. It is very important to make it both flexible and idiot-proof . Does that answer your question? -- 17:18, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * True. You should think very well about the criteria of such a status. 18:02, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, It's very complex! I think this answers my question! I guess I'll start with defining political rights, what are those rights, secondly I'll define what citizens loses, by losing those rights JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  18:54, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you have any questions, or if you need rewriting, you know where to find me and Jeffie  06:58, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate, really appreciate it JON   THE DUDE   JOHNSON  07:05, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't mention it :) 07:08, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like I'm not gonna make it to Congress. Could you perhaps help me out in the last minute? 15:32, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I shall look into it, my friend. -- 15:46, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Arms Importation?
I've been directed to you by Dimi for advice regarding the legality of importing foreign arms to be used by Lovian civilians (a company I made Anderson Arms, Inc. deals almost completely in the arms importation business). Simply put: can I or can I not import firearms into Lovia?

Thanks, BoredMatt 20:21, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * According to the recently passed Firearms act (section 4): "It is prohibited for officers of foreign police forces and armies to bring firearms into Lovia, or to otherwise obtain or use firearms. Exceptions may only be granted by Congress".
 * Nowhere does it specify that it is illegal for businesses to bring firearms, so it should be ok. But, you should apply for an exemption and see if your company can truly become "legal". HORTON11  20:35, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Where would one apply for such an exemption? BoredMatt 20:40, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * That I do not know, as the bill is new. It says to ask congress, so you could make a proposal on the First Chamber, or talk to the king. HORTON11  20:43, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help, I'll apply to Congress. Dimi isn't very receptive to guns. BoredMatt 21:08, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * But the king seems very liberal. It's also strange that Hunters with permits are allowed to have guns, but how are they supposed to get them? HORTON11  21:15, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * It does indeed seem strange. There are several other paradoxes found within HRH's argument that are suprisingly blatant. BoredMatt 21:19, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * The law was made to be waterproof but there is that issue: how will hunters (and police) get their weapons, if importing is illegal? What's best is to have some government regulation on arms import, but not an outright ban. HORTON11  21:28, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL, I'm not the person to talk to about regulations. We do need some clearer wording in the bill, though. BoredMatt 21:34, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I will be taking a seat in congress in 2011, so I could propse an amendment to the act. But, my department will be Leisure and Tourism, not Trade. HORTON11  21:43, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see. If you could help clear up some of the vague wording in the bill and allow for some importation of firearms, I would be greatly indebted to you. BoredMatt 22:14, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

The Firearms Act would make it illegal to import unregistered firearms, according to my reading of the bill. It does pose a problem, so I propose we work on a solution in the First Chamber. --American Eagle 09:12, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Notice and request
Your Honor, I would like to request the initiation of a Supreme Court trial, wherein I, the plaintiff, charge several individuals with violation of the Federal Law. I wish to charge the following persons: Ygo August Donia, Cristian Latin, Friedrich Steiner, and all other not yet identified members of the "Brigade". I charge these individuals with the violation of the Firearms Acts in the Federal Law, most notably arms possession and non-legal usage thereof. I base my charges on their possession of arms on February 7, 2011, although any other day from the approval of the bill until today would have been possible. My official charge shall be: illegal gun ownership (1.2), ownership of firearms with military intent (1.2.2.4), organization of a private militia within the Kingdom of Lovia (3.1). I demand total disarmament of all associated members and a fit authoritative imposition, be it imprisonment, therapy, community service and/or financial punishment. I hereby wish to initiate a Supreme Court trial. Signed,, today 08:43, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fairly well, request noted. I shall initiate the trial soon, and give the accused notice. --American Eagle 09:13, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for notifying us. Of course it will take some time to prepare our defense properly and we may very well make use of lawyers to our defense and for providing legal advice in the matters, if this is no problem. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 09:30, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * You are entitled to a lawyer, and I very much advise you to contact one, representing the collective of the accused. You will receive the required time to prepare for the case, but I must remind you of the urgency. --American Eagle 09:33, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Therapy sounds awfully nice, don't you think so? Or maybe community service? I just love those kind of 'punishments'.  15:00, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, the PM doing community labour? Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 15:05, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the PM already has a private militia so why not? The crazier, the better.  15:48, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, if we'll win I'll suggest the court to let Galahad clean up the stables at Donia Castle. No, seriously, crazy times, crazy times... Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 16:08, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate it if you considered this trial a serious event. --American Eagle 11:27, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Members list
A list of current members of the Brigade: Some other left some time ago, these are all the current members. All of these men and women are licensed gun-owners and expierenced hunters over the age of 21. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 11:44, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Bernd Bernard Donia, 1986
 * 2) Ivo Carlton Donia, 1989
 * 3) Ygo August Donia, 1984
 * 4) Alex Latin, 1972
 * 5) Friedrich Steiner
 * 6) Sarah David, 1982
 * 7) John Williamson, 1963
 * 8) Charles Duke, 1983
 * 9) Serge Hovenberg, 1985
 * 10) Elaine Vandyke, 1979
 * 11) Samir Tutilimutili, 1959
 * 12) Adolphe LeBrun, 1976
 * 13) Basch Repstra, 1988
 * 14) Wilma Allevin, 1981
 * 15) Dick Johnson, 1945
 * 16) Alessandro Stabler, 1978
 * 17) Bruno Banda, 1986
 * 18) Wolfgang Bernard Banda, 1989
 * 19) Shmuel Goodman, 1975
 * 20) Levi Arnoldson, 1987
 * 21) Patrice Dungo, 1957
 * 22) Daniëlle Sepers, 1974
 * 23) Alexander Donders, 1988
 * 24) Bernadotte de Bruijn, 1975
 * Seven people left prior to the 7th of February. These are their names and dates of birth:
 * Odin Berghop, 1979
 * Dean Ramone, 1971
 * Xander Doorian, 1980
 * Bodo Willemse, 1946
 * Connor Stabler, 1976
 * Ari Goodman, 1973
 * Jan de Bruijn, 1985
 * That's all I got. Hope this is sufficient. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 12:18, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Very well. Any further proceedings will occur on the trial page and its talk page. All issues related to the trial should be posted there (not here). --American Eagle 18:13, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Remember: the defense is not done yet. We are still looking for more lawyers to defend our cause and we haven't got enough legal representation as it is. Also I have not been able to talk to the other accused yet. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 18:47, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * You will be given due time to prepare your first round in court. The Court considers it suitable Mr P.E. Galahad delivers his first round already. The Court urges the defendants respond more swiftly, though. All the accused have received legal notice and should attend the trial a.s.a.p. --American Eagle 18:57, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not know how long it will take for all of us to respond. So far I am the only one who has responded. As for Zackatron, I fear he may have left for Horton's new wiki. It will take time for Bucu to respond and the people I contacted to present us in court, of course. And after that we all have to discuss our strategy. Like in any actual trial it will take time. Especially given the fact this is the largest trial in Lovian history. I am glad you understand, Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 19:07, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * May I just bring to the court's attention that wherever a person is, he receives the notice across all Wikia wikis. 19:12, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * The court is aware of that. @Mr Donia, we shall take this into account. Please make sure Latin and Steiner respond within two days. Both are somewhere on these wikis. --American Eagle 19:15, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'll be on Lovia plenty :D. Currently at this time Steiner is not present in any urban areas..he has fled to deep into Peace Island, and currently is waiting to leave to go back to his parents nation. He is currently waiting for a statement form the government of Lova to Carrington. Zackary Perry 21:27, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Time
I know you probably want the trial to continue asap, yet I still haven't been able to reach the other accused or the people I would like to act as our lawyers. Before I speak to them the trial cannot procceed, as it would then be impossible to discuss any sort of strategy in court. You must know that I, personally, am very busy at the moment and apparantly the same can be said for Latin. Mr. Steiner, on the other hand, seems to have left the country making it almost impossible to contact him. I know it's much to ask but we need more time. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 11:19, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Mr. Steiner has indeed left the country and has come to his father's birthplace in Carrington Island. By law (the Bill of Rights, section 2c.), Steiner may not be charged here in Lovia.
 * And the other lawyers, especially Mr. Perry, are really busy at the moment with other commitments. So, if it is possible to allow more time, it would be great. HORTON11  15:40, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Apartently he has fogotton about me but okay. Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.PCP 21:24, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Mr Donia, I urge you to prepare your defense. The strive to unite all the accused may not jeopardize your own defense. You are expected to have made your defense by February 18th, at 8 PM Brussels Time. I also count on Mr Latin to do the same. What concerns Mr Steiner, he will nevertheless face legal punishment. May I remind User:Zackatron that his account will be blocked if he would be found guilty of the charges? --American Eagle 13:39, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * So, if found guilty, we ARE going to be blocked? Or only if, like mr. Steiner, we refuse to appear in court? I thought the goal was to close down the Brigade. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 13:44, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess it depends on the cooperation. Stalling and avoiding like 'certain figures in Italian politics' are not a mature reaction. 13:46, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Stalling and avoiding is not what we are doing right now. Of course I cannot speak for anyone else but myself and the problem is - I have so far been unable to reach any of the other accused. Neither have most of the people I contacted to serve as lawyers in the case responded. Of course I could prepare my defense for the 18th but I still believe we should wait a while longer because it might take time for people to respond. There is only one accusing party and one Judge. There are, however, almost thirty defendents. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 13:53, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well obviously, I could not say whether you will be found guilty or not, and what the punishments would be in that case. What I wanted to make clear to Mr Steiner, is that "fleeing the country" in order not to defend in court, is not the best option. If found guilty, he will be punished, no matter where he is.
 * Mr Donia, the Court has been very patient with you and your colleagues. You only have to prepare your defense. Both Mr Steiner and Mr Latin have made clear not to be very responsive and cooperative. The other are (in the real world) mere fictional characters. Your defense is expected the 18th, and the same counts for Latin and Steiner, if they would be willing to cooperate. The Court will not accept any more stalling from your side. --American Eagle 15:04, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I will appear in court on the 18th and say what I have to say. I will try to reach out the other one last time tonight and if proven to be unsuccesful, so be it. You have, of course, my full cooperation as I have made very clear right from the start. I never tried to stall things, all I tried was to defend the rights of the other accused. They themselves seem not to care much for it but we have to take into account that not everybody has that much time on their hands. Latin for example could be on a trip, he could be in the middle of exams or something similar and the same could be the case for Mr. Steiner. What you perceive as "not being cooperative" may in fact be inability trough no fault of their own. I would hate to see someone punished for something they have no control over. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 15:26, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Dismissal
I find the current Galahad v. The Brigade Trial in order for a diamissal beacuse of the firearms act being undemocratic and unconsititutional. Under Article 2, part one and Article 2, part two. As a judge and upholder of the law you must find that the bridage has done enough to cooperate with the law and is just a shell of it's former self. From Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.PCP 21:01, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * What you ask, no-one is entitled to do. It is in the defense's right to bring this argument to court, though, in the current case. --American Eagle 17:56, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * The defense has brought the argument to court, and has already exercised that right. But, I do believe this trial should be dismissed. The Brigade should not be disallowed (or at least exonerated), for they were founded before this bill was even proposed in the first chamber. As they were legally created, they should be allowed to exist. HORTON11  23:12, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

As for that second round...
Well, first of all, I am very glad you decided to start the second rounds of this unfortunate trial we find ourselves entangled in. Second of all, and I quote: "The Court will take your defense into consideration. We will investigate the evidence and arguments brought forward, and will summarize them before starting with the second rounds". How about that? Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 09:51, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Court will do so after the second rounds, for efficiency reasons. Your plea has proven long and complex, and we will round this off when Mr Galahad (and then your party) have delivered a second round. --American Eagle 12:15, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, do as you please, by all means. Although it would have been nice for me and my lawyers to hear your assesment of both the plaintiff's first round aswell as ours before we procceed with our Second Round. As what is called in Dutch, a "tussenstand", for lack of a better word. Would that not be possible? I would be most obliged. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 14:17, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe not really a summarization of what is heard, but a clarification by the judge of crucial topics still left untouched? As a hint of what the court would like to hear more about before it can make up its mind? 15:38, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Court should agree with you. I will take a final look at it, and provide you with a summary of my legal notes on it. --American Eagle 15:47, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your summary. Really clears things up. I still have some questions left, though. First of all there is the issue of the Firearms licenses. Galahad claims I, and my Brigadiers, have none. He has, however, not been able to provide any evidence to back up this claim. I say my Brigadiers and me do have gun licenses and therefore are licensed hunters, contrary to what the Plaintiff says. I have already provided a source as evidence, as you have most likely already read: an older version of the page of said Brigade, in which one can clearly read that all members of the Brigade are licensed hunters. The source is from before the Anti-gun laws were passed, as can also be seen. Would this not count as "material evidence", as is requested by Your Honor? I doubt neither the defendents nor the plaintiff can come up with anything better or more concrete, in all honesty.
 * My second point would be this: what happens if the Plaintiff does not return in time to deliver his Second Round? Say, a week passes and still no reaction. Then what happens? Yours truly, Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 17:31, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Mr Galahad has guaranteed me that he wanted a second round, that he had prepared one, and that he will deliver it soon.
 * I am (now) not in the position to comment on the license issue, as the judge on this ongoing case. In short: there were no material hunting licenses prior to 2011 + the new licenses were introduced February 1st, and you would have to request them. Providing licenses issues after February 1st would be sufficient material evidence. --American Eagle 19:00, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Appeal
A six month incarceration, I assume, would be a block for six months, am I correct? In this case I would like to appeal, as I firmly believe these charges are outrageous and way out of line, and definetely not in proportion to the made accusations. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 15:41, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Being our Prime Minister, I am sure you know our Congress has not introduced appeal procedures yet. --American Eagle 15:54, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * You assume many things, Mr. Jefferson. Be that as it may, I was not aware of that fact, however. You left one question unanswered - the six months incarceration you mentioned is the same thing as six months block, is that not so? If it is, then I can accept it. I played the game, and I lost. I have to take my loss as a man. I salute you, Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 16:01, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I assumed only what is fair: that you know our laws thoroughly.
 * Yes, it is. Like you said, you played the game. It is fictional, you are right in that, but users are held accountable for their actions - in order to stimulate active and moral participation. --American Eagle 16:03, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I see my plea has been to no avail. A shame, yes, a suprise? Not really. I will now be forced to leave the site and Lovia, and I seriously doubt I will ever return. I will not disband the Donia I-government, however, as I plan to finish my term, albeit in name only. You yourself will be replaced by Mr. Washington - take a look at the Second Chamber if you like - from now on I hope only non-MOTC's will lead our Supreme Court: the law I was about to propose on this will not be proposed by me, however, as a result of this trial and the incarceration that concludes it. That'll be all. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 16:15, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actions? I do not feel that the Brigade ever did anything to harm a Lovian or citizen of any other nation. I, as a Liberal and opponent of the CCPL, do feel this case was wholly political in nature. A way to get rid of our conservative PM and install a more liberal leader. I will not let this degradation of our democratic system go unchallenged. Disband the brigade, but do not permit MR. Donia to be removed of his post and banished. He is a valuable asset to our political system, and without a proper leader, I fear my beloved nation will descend into anarchy. It will be liberals vs. conservative. What I propose is a compromise- to ensure the Brigade falls within all constitutional limots and to allow our beloved Prime Minister to remain here and continue his duties. Please here me out, and do not allow this atrocity to be carried out. HORTON11  16:38, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, ther is no proof and physical evidence whatosver that any Brigade member had firearms. Sure stainer has photos of himself with guns, but this is in Germany, where as a soldier he was legally entitled to carry them. HORTON11  17:13, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, ther is no proof and physical evidence whatosver that any Brigade member had firearms. Sure stainer has photos of himself with guns, but this is in Germany, where as a soldier he was legally entitled to carry them. HORTON11  17:13, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

The Brigade case
Your honor,

I feel that the sentence you have placed upon my client, Prime minister Donia, is outrageous. This sentence is not reflective of his crimes (if you may call them that) for he did not do anything to infringe on anyone's rights as a human being. If the Brigade had infringed on anyone's rights, it Sure, he may have had a "militia", but The Brigade was legally created before the creation of the Firearms Act. Secondly, there is no proof whatsoever that any member of the Brigade had discharged a firearm, even for hunting purposes. To say they harmed anyone or anything would be an assumption that cannot be verified.

As you yourself said that if there was ever a problem "Mr Donia should have talked to the Federal Police". But, when his father was murdered, what did the police do: nothing. There was no case or investigation held. I sincerely do not believe Mr. Donia's appeals to the police would have been heard, simply because the police is very small, it is spread over the whole country and it is not very effective.

Finally, I do not feel that this case was objective and fair. This case took simply too long to be worked out. Sure Mr. Steiner evaded authorities (He went to Brunant and disappeared), but Mr. Donia was simply to busy and unable to contact his co-accused. Due to the length of time, this case should have been thrown out some time ago. Secondly, it could appear to some that your political connections and views may have influenced the desicion here. Mr. Galahad is a member of the Liberal Arts Party, and you yourself were on a "Liberal arts non-inscrit ballot". I would feel that a more objective judge would be one without a seat in congress and without political connections, no matter how indirect or small.

Your honor, please do not take my appeal as an attack on your person. I am merely tring to point out the flaws in your desicion and to try and acquit my client. What most shocked me was the desicion. I would have thought such a progressive country as Lovia would have made a sentence to rehabilitate and not to punish. I hereby ask that you do not ban Mr. Donia. I would prefer you allow The Brigade to remain, as a fully lisenced hunting club and ensure it complies with Lovian laws. In this great democracy, I would like to see justice and fairness be served and upheld, and ensure that nothing like this ever occurs again.

Sincerely,

Justin Abrahams ( HORTON11 16:25, March 16, 2011 (UTC))


 * Agreed, Your Honor look upon your self to see that our legal system is broken. The fact that our supreme court is just one judge and can send down too harsh of a punishment. Also if your not okay with the ruling you can't even appeal a ruling to get another hearing or look at the case. Marcus Villanova Music is Life.Lean Forward.PCP 00:18, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * @Horton: worst plea ever. For the fun of it I will counter all flaws I can find upon first reading:
 * "The Brigade was legally created before the creation of the Firearms Act" - so rapists who were active before it was considered a crime should be allowed to retain their practices?
 * "There is no proof whatsoever that any member of the Brigade had discharged a firearm" - it is illegal possession your clients have been convicted for, not illegal usage.
 * "But, when his father was murdered, what did the police do: nothing" - irrelevant emotional mumbo-jumbo to play our feelings. It ain't working on me so please stick to reason.
 * "Due to the length of time, this case should have been thrown out some time ago" - IRL the hardest crimes are the most difficult to proof and thus take longest. Nice to know you'd set free all (possible) murderers because 'the trial is taking too long'.
 * "I am merely tring to point out the flaws in your decision" - you see, that isn't anyones task. A decision by a Supreme Court Judge has the highest authority in the country.
 * Besides that, I do think a six month sentence could have been avoided. Yet, the Brigade remains yelling how unfair they have been treated while it is obvious the law has been violated by there mere existence. How arrogant is it to think they were untouchable. Whether the decision is fair or not, it is legally binding and irrevocable under the current Constitution. 06:49, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * @Marcus: changes must be made in the near future. 06:50, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

@ Yuri-Well, then let me rectify myself.


 * In regards to the Brigade's creation: This is a case of morality. While rape may be considered a crime now, before the existance of anti-rape laws, it was immoral. It is not considered immoral to posess a firearm, only maiming and killing it. This law was a direct response to the brigade, and there would not have been any problems if we hadn't had it.


 * In regards to illegal possession: There is no proof whatsoever that any member of the Brigade had a firearm in their possession. They may have bragged about it, and people do sometimes, but this is not necessarily true.
 * A decision by a Supreme court judge may be the highest law in the land, but it doesn't always mean it is correct. If we had some way for plaintiffs and defendants to appeal decisions, or for there to be a way to have a second valid opinion, then we would not be having this discussion.
 * In regards to the judge's decision: The way the current judicial system stands, it should be up to the people to decide on the sentencing. Though the judge should have some say on the matter, I do not feel that they should arbitrarily decide on such a long sentence. But, if we had a system with 2 or 3 judges, with different viewpoints, it would be fair to give them that power since there is less chance of bias.

DO not take my speech as an open support for the Brigade. I am merely trying to ensure justice is served for Mr Donia, as I am really saddened that a valuable member of our community will be gone forever. HORTON11 13:09, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a good thing that you intend to rectify the draconic measures taken against Donia, but I doubt your methods. Choice of words and thinking over your arguments are very important when dealing with the law. I will personally see if a new settlement is possible, but the basic problem is that our legal system stinks: no appeal, no way to overrule or adjust a decision,... 13:19, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

The way out
I pointed out a solution at Donia's talk page. I suggest that especially the judge considers my proposal, for we could easily end up in a trial against the court itself. Our legal system is a mess, so please all behave until we have a final fix. 13:34, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

New case
Dear Jefferson, I would like to start a new lawsuit. I accuse all members of the site management (admins) for acting unconstitutionally. According to the Federal Law, the Federal Police is the unitary police force in Lovia and is therefore responsible for Lovia's safety. Also, the Constitution describes that the Judge is able to decide whether one must go to prison. However, these admins from the "site management" (a private militia with weapons i.e. their sysop rights & abilities to block) have acted independently, without obeying the following laws.
 * 1) 1.6 No group or person may exercise sovereignty in one's own name.
 * 2) Firearms act concerning private militia.
 * 3) Federal Police act concerning Lovia's safety.
 * 4) 2.1.5 Every human being and citizen has the right to be arrested in a trial and to be treated correctly.

Therefore, the imprisonments that have been realized by the admins, without any correct trial, were unconstitutional. The current law does not provide any power for admins & such. Thus it must be Federal Police who arrests & brings the criminals to court. In no case somebody can be sentenced to prison without any trial.

My official charge: the administrators of this site may not have the rights to arrest (=block) any human being on Lovian soil (=this wiki). This is the official duty of the Lovian Federal Police. As described by law, the unitary police force in this country arrests people and brings them to court where the accused are tried correctly. I also demand that the site management loses all its auto-declared tasks that concern "Protecting the site [from vandalism, e.g.]". This too, is the task of the Police. Furthermore, I want that all illegal blocks made by the site administrators are officialy declared illegal and therefore they must be overturned. Last but not least: I want several admin's to lose their rights for because of several crimes in the past.

Could you please have a serious look at it, sir Jefferson? There is however a problem, being involved yourself in the site administration, we will need another person to judge this case.

Looking forward to hearing from you, Cristian Latin 17:28, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

New case (2)
Also he (added by Latin: i.e. AJ?) has violated section 9, part 12.2 of the constitution whereby "All sentences issued by the Supreme Court must be in proportion to the violation". As stated by others (ie. Mr. Medvedev) this is clearly an unjust and unproportional sentence, and I will support Mr. Latin in his case. HORTON11 17:56, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, clearly the sentence was out of proportion (2 weeks for everyone, 6 months for me) so these two gentlemen can enjoy my fullest support in this case of theirs. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 18:01, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * @ Ygo- He might have given you the longer sentence since you were the Brigade leader, but 6 monts was way too out of hands. HORTON11  18:10, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * What I hate the most is that he would take away my citizen rights. This is an outrageous thing. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 18:37, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know that in the US they even allow some rights to prisoners. HORTON11  18:46, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Dismissal
According to the Judge page in Lovia, "Judges can resignate from their assignment, but can also be dismissed. This is when his Governor/Prime Minister and the Secretary of Justice agree with the dismissal." Now I happen to be both the Prime Minister awell as the Secretary of Justice, as you are well aware of. And I believe you to be incapable of serving as our Supreme Court Judge. Your recent verdict has shown the nation that you are not fit for the job and, IMHO, a despicable human being not worthy of this esteemed position. Thus I would like you to be permanently removed from office. You are hereby dismissed, Mr. Jefferson and are no longer our Supreme Court Judge from this day forward. Ygo &quot;the Brigade&quot; Donia (Lovian PM) 18:43, March 23, 2011 (UTC)